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Monglo posted:Hey, I've read people recommend Leftovers as a show similar to Lost and just good in general. But I'm 3 episodes in and nothing in this show makes sense - unrelatable characters doing crazy inexplicable things with no rhyme or reason, everyone's insane, crying and self-destructing with no explanation to the viewer. Like, every scene hints at some deeper mystery or motive but in an incredibly indecipherable way. This is not a mystery show! It's a show about loss and grief, you will hate it if you try to watch it like Lost or Westworld.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Most movies with titles that start "Once Upon a Time In..." tend to be pretty good but I've never seen the Jet Li (?) Once Upon a Time In China movies so I don't know how universal the rule is. Once Upon a Time In China and America is great because Jackie Chan told Sammo Hung about this idea he had for a movie about a martial artist in the old west and Hung went "Great idea" and stole it.
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So I was watching Troy: Fall of a City last night and it seemed pretty rad but I was pretty hosed up at the time. So is it good? Worth going back and watching it sober this time?
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Davros1 posted:Once Upon a Time In China and America is great because Jackie Chan told Sammo Hung about this idea he had for a movie about a martial artist in the old west and Hung went "Great idea" and stole it. He also stole his idea for the protagonist having amnesia, iirc. zoux posted:If you like everything to be explained and all loose ends to be tied up, you will not like the Leftovers. I couldn't make it past the first couple episodes either. I knew going in what kind of bullshit stringing along I could expect given Lindelof's involvement in terms of the greater mystery but yeah, I never felt like there was a single character to enjoy or even be entertained by. One of these days I'll try and struggle though it because people really say seasons 2 and 3 are some of the best tv. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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Apr 30, 2018 19:00
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Just skip season 1. You can get through any missed stuff through context. When you see the update intro in season 2 you pretty much immediately know they fixed their poo poo.
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Mu Zeta posted:Just skip season 1. You can get through any missed stuff through context. When you see the update intro in season 2 you pretty much immediately know they fixed their poo poo. Thanks, I think I'll do that. I like the premise of the show, probably frustrated that in the episodes I've seen they don't really address it in any meaningful way. And I'd be cool if the central conflict for every character was his grief, but I find they don't connect grief with people disappearing, in fact they pile on even more mysteries on it: the dogs, the bald Man in Black guy who shoots the dogs, the disappearing and reappearing deer, prophetic dreams, police guy's dad communicating awith Outside heavenly/alien beings (and he definitely actually does, because of the prescient nature of the info he gets from them), the smoking cultists in white, the other cultists with black guy from Peep Show trying to have sex with as many Asian girls as possible, the preacher who does everything in his power to paint the Departed as sinners (I mean, why would he do that - 3 episodes in and he just does it and does it again and again and again and again). Why are people joining the mute cultists? That's not explained - I mean, sure, I get the idea that everyone is mentally hosed, but it's not shown why would somebody join them specifically, they're not shown to offer any solace or anything a cult of even a mysterious secret organization would. And why does everyone hates them so much- to the point of trying to harm them on sight - even Westboro Baptists aren't treated like that and they do much crazier thing in real life. Its just too much and none of it is connected or explained. Not trying to needlessly hate on the show, but comparing to Lost, because of Lindelof and just general similarities, it at least focused on the central conflict of the show. Monglo fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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Apr 30, 2018 19:42
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While I can understand the reasons why not, I really wish more people would have given Leftovers S1 a full watch because drat there are emotional moments. Seeing the dog come walking up at the end of the finale still absolutely wrecks me. It takes the season to build up to everything in the finale but it pays off.
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Apr 30, 2018 20:00
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Season one is great, and while seasons 2-3 def shake it up and become not quite a miserable drudge the show is still hella about loss. I also think a lot of the context of S1 pays off in the final season tbh especially regarding Nora's grief. I would personally not recommend skipping it, but if you do and then really like seasons 2 and 3 maybe try rewatching it. Season 1 is a slow-rear end, miserable burn but pays way off in the end of the season imo, then echoes through the rest for the main characters. e: ^^^ that and seeing all the departed replaced by the burial dolls
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Season 1 of The Leftovers I dropped after the 2nd week (I think) when the series originally aired. That said I came back to season 1 right before season 2 aired, and binged it in a week or so. While it wasn't as good as season 2 I still thought it was great. Overall Lindelof knocked it out of the ball park, and made one of the best HBO shows in recent years. Miles ahead of the current HBO shows. zoux posted:If you like everything to be explained and all loose ends to be tied up, you will not like the Leftovers. PaybackJack posted:I knew going in what kind of bullshit stringing along I could expect given Lindelof's involvement in terms of the greater mystery... I think Lindelof did a great job with The Leftovers, and I was perfectly fine with what they tied up (which was a lot) and I am OK with what they didn't (a few things still bug me). I never felt like I was being stringed along once.
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Apr 30, 2018 20:13
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it's me, the guy who thinks season 1 of Leftovers is better than season 2
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Apr 30, 2018 21:17
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Starz has finally announced that American Gods will be back next year but man, they really burned a lot of goodwill. On a related note, a big problem Kings had was their terrible ad campaign that did a really poor job of setting up what the show was actually about.
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Apr 30, 2018 21:28
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FilthyImp posted:I guess most of that is the new group dynamics (Frankie never landed for me) Who hurt you, FilthyImp?
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Apr 30, 2018 21:36
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muscles like this! posted:On a related note, a big problem Kings had was their terrible ad campaign that did a really poor job of setting up what the show was actually about. Didn't they try hard to court the religious audience, even though the show wasn't really that at all. It's kind of hard to advertise that show, especially when it was 2008 and NBC. If it had come around now and been on some cable channel it would have gotten a second season. And hopefully more interesting leads.
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muscles like this! posted:Starz has finally announced that American Gods will be back next year but man, they really burned a lot of goodwill. The one burning goodwill was and always will be Bryan Fuller.
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MiddleOne posted:The one burning goodwill was and always will be Bryan Fuller. Yeah I really feel like blaming Starz here is the wrong thing to do.
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MiddleOne posted:The one burning goodwill was and always will be Bryan Fuller. What did they do to burn their good will? I live in Taiwan and don't pay attention to media sites. I assumed the show had already been renewed. IRQ posted:Didn't they try hard to court the religious audience, even though the show wasn't really that at all. I remember them doing a hard sell about how it was a biblical story but totally not offensive so let's not start organizing boycotts ok guys! Yeah, if it came out now, the biblical retelling would probably have just been downplayed in the first place. I remember going into that show thinking "oh boy here comes a Christian propaganda piece..."
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precision posted:it's me, the guy who thinks season 1 of Leftovers is better than season 2 we ARE the same person! Binging 1 made me fall in love w/ the show and going straight into 2 with the location/etc change (while still excellent) kinda threw and disappointed me at first. All three seasons are amazing tho and Carrie Coon deserves a very long and award filled career. e: also yeah as much as i adore bryan fuller he gets further up his own rear end with every show and his budget demands sounded p ridic for anything AG needed to do. he used to be so clever with a budget. i don't think pushing daisies took all that much to make, did it? esperterra fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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Apr 30, 2018 22:52
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Monglo posted:Its just too much and none of it is connected or explained. You watched 3 episodes and expect every characters motivations to be explained? Honestly I don't think you should bother watching the rest of the show. It's a very slow burn all the way through to the end. And some of your questions are things you could answer yourself. What reason could the priest have for not wanting everyone to think the rapture happened?
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precision posted:Yeah I really feel like blaming Starz here is the wrong thing to do. The fact that multiple people left the show and then Starz having problems finding someone new to actually be the showrunner makes it seem to me that there are bigger problems behind the scenes than just Fuller being Fuller.
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IRQ posted:Didn't they try hard to court the religious audience, even though the show wasn't really that at all. Of Kings and Prophets did the same thing in 2016 and it was cancelled in two episodes. PaybackJack posted:What did they do to burn their good will? I live in Taiwan and don't pay attention to media sites. I assumed the show had already been renewed. He keeps lucking into extraordinary projects that wind up hugely over budget and behind schedule and then when they get renewed despite their meager ratings he drops them as soon as his next flight of fancy comes along.
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Guy Mann posted:He keeps lucking into extraordinary projects that wind up hugely over budget and behind schedule and then when they get renewed despite their meager ratings he drops them as soon as his next flight of fancy comes along. The man writes entertaining, idiosyncratic TV that he's passionate about, and he's cultivated a stable of actors who take parts in his productions because he's making them. It's absurd to paint him as some dilettante when he scratched out three gorgeous seasons of Hannibal on increasingly smaller budgets, to the point where he paid for the Siouxie Sioux song in the finale out of pocket. The projects that he's on are usually extraordinary because of his influence.
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From what I remember the marketing for Kings was essentially "What if America...had a king?" I remember being surprised to learn while watching that it was a retelling of the story of David.
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At the time I interpreted the marketing as "What if Saudi Arabia...was white?"
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muscles like this! posted:God, the description of "Braxton Family Values" What little I glean from the repetitive commercials while having law and order on in the background make this show et al on WE tv sound irredeemably boring. Everybody screams at everybody else, and a major failing out is teased that might not even happen. Better yet, a celebrity gossip website has already spoiled the divorce/bastard child/Australian arrest warrant before the season ever started.
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I was referencing this week's episode of The Joel McHale Show where for Braxton Family Values he finally gave the real description for Vanderpump Rules, which is a running joke on the show.
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May 1, 2018 01:52
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Lol was there any decent white nationalist outrage after the Black Lightning episode where they rear down the confederate general's statue
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zoux posted:Lol was there any decent white nationalist outrage after the Black Lightning episode where they rear down the confederate general's statue I saw some poo poo on FB. Gave me the opportunity to block a bunch of people.
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May 1, 2018 02:01
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Well, the Final Space finale was awesome and I don't know what I'll do if they don't renew it.
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Black Lightning had so much stuff that you'd think would trigger the racists and conservatives that I'm pretty sure the only reason it didn't become some national conversation is that they all just stopped watching before finishing reading "Lightning."
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I'm watching Dirty Money and while episode 1 was just a bunch of wild stuff about the VW scandal, episode 2 is weird. First its a bunch of poor people who got taken by payday loans. I feel bad for them (as the show wants you to) because being poor super sucks, but at the same time I find their incredulity that a payday loan might try to screw them over extremely frustrating. Like, NO poo poo a loan shark is gonna try to take your money. How is that so loving unfathomable? These people are absolutely clueless. They also work REALLY hard to pitch them in a sympathetic light, this guy has 4 kids and he only borrowed the money to keep the heat on to keep his kids warm. No way did he spend that money on something frivolous, no way! It was the loan, or the children would starve. He had no options!! But then you have Scott Tucker and everybody involved in the scam just non-stop justifying everything they did. And not only do they justify screwing over poor people for massive profit, (they're not people, they're "consumers") but they then act super outraged that the government would dare fine them. That drat government, stopping our scam! The one guy kills himself, which is awful, but then they totally 100% blame the government for his death, and not even consider 1% of it his fault for being involved in this massive scam empire that apparently made him feel really guilty. I need to go watch some cartoons or something.
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And then there’s an episode about maple syrup and it’s still kind of incredible there was a massive crime involving maple syrup.
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Framing the race car being seized like someone's kids being taken by CPS was absolutely hilarious.
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PaybackJack posted:What did they do to burn their good will? I live in Taiwan and don't pay attention to media sites. I assumed the show had already been renewed. Starz was going to renew the show but then Fuller threw a hissy-fit and demanded an increased budget for a show that is already extremely expensive per episode and that underperforms like hell with viewers. Understandably Starz told him to go to hell and that's also what he did so the show got a new showrunner for season 2.
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Who hurt you, FilthyImp? Frankie is just a rehashed Annie. Not to mention they missed their chance to cast Ted McGinley in a recurring role that season.
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muscles like this! posted:The fact that multiple people left the show and then Starz having problems finding someone new to actually be the showrunner makes it seem to me that there are bigger problems behind the scenes than just Fuller being Fuller. Well I just meant that it seems like Starz really, legitimately want to make the show and make it good, and they gave Fuller a frankly ridiculous amount of freedom with the first season - which didn't land for a lot of fans of the book, or for TV audiences in general. It wasn't a smash hit, it was about on the level that Gaiman himself was when the book came out - yeah, every goth you know has read every one of his books, but even after American Gods his most well known thing is Coraline, a totally different tone and even different age audience. Maybe I'm wrong though, and I didn't mean to imply I was blaming Fuller, I was just saying if you're gonna blame anyone, don't blame the people who are apparently honestly trying to get the show on the air within a reasonable budget.
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Fuller was probably the problem. He was fired from Star Trek and he also abandoned the Amazing Stories reboot at Apple.
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Fuller's rep has been circling the drain the last year.
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Starz was already spending like 8mil an episode on AG. For comparison, season six of Game of Thrones cost about 10 an episode. Fuller wanting more than 8 is ridiculous when the show wasn't pulling nearly enough views. Maybe Starz also wanted to cut back some and that was part of why they clashed when Fuller wanted more, idk, but lol they had already been giving him mid seasons GoT money and while I haven't seen AG I doubt he needed that much.
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Maybe Fuller found out that each season of Bosch is like $80 million despite looking like a network cop show and figured they could afford it.
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Mu Zeta posted:Fuller was probably the problem. He was fired from Star Trek and he also abandoned the Amazing Stories reboot at Apple. Yeah nah. There's a lot more going on with this. Why was Michael Green also fired from American Gods? Why did Gillian Anderson leave? Why have STARZ repeatedly lied about the state of the show -- first they said Fuller was fired for making changes that Gaiman disagreed with.Gaiman said no. Then they said Gaiman was acting as showrunner to replace Fuller. The Gaiman also said no. This all happened after Fuller left -- so there's clearly something going on over there that has nothing to do with him. Furthermore, why was the replacement showrunner for Amazing Stories also fired? Why has Apple fired four separate showrunners for their various shows? He's a perfectionist, sure. And he sticks to his guns when it comes to his principles. But I don't know why people seem so keen to side with the money men over the creatives on this. We've not seen his side of the story. And given that he's been so conspicuously quiet over all of this, it's probably a good one.
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