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Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


EorayMel posted:

The biggest question is who the gently caress supplies the payday crew with their piece of poo poo drills

The cops?

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HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
Payday plot has spun so wildly away from what I expected, holy poo poo. Y'all see the tweet that points out Dentist was in a bunch of frames of The Diamond trailer? Are we dealing with a loving supernatural entity? Are the artifacts tied to him somehow? Is this the same universe as Castlevania 2, and the artifacts are Dracula's body parts? Where does The Hamburgler fit in?

fa-GYO
Mar 7, 2018

by FactsAreUseless
The Payday gang puts a drill on the arc of the covenant.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

HebrewMagic posted:

Payday plot has spun so wildly away from what I expected, holy poo poo. Y'all see the tweet that points out Dentist was in a bunch of frames of The Diamond trailer? Are we dealing with a loving supernatural entity? Are the artifacts tied to him somehow? Is this the same universe as Castlevania 2, and the artifacts are Dracula's body parts? Where does The Hamburgler fit in?

judging from the fact the dentist died miserably in the SA hunger games he is probably not a loving supernatural entity

context:

EorayMel fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Apr 30, 2018

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

HebrewMagic posted:

Payday plot has spun so wildly away from what I expected, holy poo poo. Y'all see the tweet that points out Dentist was in a bunch of frames of The Diamond trailer? Are we dealing with a loving supernatural entity? Are the artifacts tied to him somehow? Is this the same universe as Castlevania 2, and the artifacts are Dracula's body parts? Where does The Hamburgler fit in?

oh god, where to begin...OK, short version.

Once upon a time there was a Thing of Power. It was used by an alliance of three kings. The Thing of Power made these three basically immortal superbeings, along with other benefits. They had an alliance to share the Thing. This alliance was called "Kataru". (Kataru literally means "alliance" in ancient sumerian, to get an idea of how old these guys are). Kataru ruled the world-basically they were the illuminati on steroids.

Karatu had, like, interns, or pages, or something, which were called "Watchers". One of the Watchers, a guy named Baldwin, tried to steal the Thing in about 1814. They failed, and were disappeared. This mess set off a power stuggle that caused Kataru to collapse- the Thing got sealed away, the kings split up and started stealing and hiding each other's junk like it was a bad breakup. One of the Kings came out mostly on top of this struggle, and he was still immortal, but he didn't have access to the Thing, and some of the other powerful artifacts used to access the Thing. This guy effectively took over Kataru and used it to seek out the other artifacts and engage in an extended secret conflict with the other group members.

It looks like Kataru consists of the following things:

King 1: "Doctor King", aka the Dentist. Associated with that box with the eye of providence/pyramid on it, and The Diamond, which is also called the Demon Star.
The king who took over Kataru? That's the Dentist. Basically every antagonist group in the game, starting with Murkywater and including Gensec and the Garnet Group, seem to be working for him. He's apparently all-powerful, especially since we retrieved his box for him from the golden grin casino. He's also got the feds working for him at this point.

King 2: "King Elephant", no prizes for guessing his identity. Associated with a box with a bird's flight trail on it (but the bird is tiny, the whole thing looks like an abstract snake), and the Police Star.
It looks like the Elephant was trying to coach Bain to be a sort of new generation of Watcher, maybe. Whatever his plan was, it's largely fallen apart with Bain gone and with McKendrick having turned on him. It looks likely that he was the reason that the Diamond was in a museum, and the Dentist's Loot was in the Golden Grin. (for the record, a bunch of crossover heists that have us hitting Murkywater were originally going to be hitting the company for the Elephant.)

King 3: "Scribe King", identity unknown. Associated with a box with a double triangle thing on it, and the "Fate Star". Might have gotten killed in the civil war, might be hidden, might be Bain. No one's sure.

The thing we got from Brooklyn Bank is the "Amulet of the Perseids", which seems to also be important. A Kataru guy named Lyndenhurst gave it to Duke's ancestor to hide shortly before getting murdered in 1905.

We're going for the Thing. The Thing may or may not trigger the apocalypse. We have all three of the Kings' boxes (whatever those are), and it seems like the Dentist has at least one of the three "stars", and, well, Bain. And the police. And Kento. Did I mention Kento appears to be running Murkywater for the Dentist? well, he is.

fa-GYO posted:

The Payday gang puts a drill on the arc of the covenant.

You joke, but in this last heist you can literally open the ark of the covenant to find one of these boxes in it.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 30, 2018

Doctor Shitfaced
Feb 13, 2012
Did Overkill figure out a way to make the elemental plane of cops canon? Because it sounds like they may have a way to do that.

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
Discendo I don't know what I expected seeing you respond with multiple paragraphs but I don't think any part of me expected that

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

HebrewMagic posted:

Discendo I don't know what I expected seeing you respond with multiple paragraphs but I don't think any part of me expected that

*clicks question mark*

*first post in this thread: Nov 28, 2015 02:20*

a shameful poster

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
No you're right I should know better but I wasn't quite braced for it

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Coolguye posted:

*clicks question mark*

*first post in this thread: Nov 28, 2015 02:20*

a shameful poster

Jesus Christ this thread has really been going for so long?

I think we're due for a new one whenever the secret drops. Also I kind of already figured out parts of what Vox's post laid out, but just having it all there condensed into one effort post sure is something. I like how we've gone for years with the story basically being irrelevant and then torrents of it coming at once.

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

Discendo Vox posted:

King 2: "King Elephant", no prizes for guessing his identity. Associated with a box with a bird's flight trail on it (but the bird is tiny, the whole thing looks like an abstract snake), and the Police Star.
Side note: "Police" is synonymous with another word for "Demon".

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
Dude I could've just told you cops were inhuman monsters if you just asked

Tempest_56
Mar 14, 2009

Personally I'm not a particular fan of the overall plot and where it's going. It's sounding more and more like the dumber parts of Assassin's Creed.

I'm here for bank robbing, cop killing and international terrorism, not demonic entities and alien conspiracy theories.

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
I'm waiting for the call of duty zombies plot crossover personally, get both my fave wild conspiracy games going

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Hardcore Henry is tied to Payday 2, and that's a movie where the villain is a psychic jerkwad with an army of super-clones with different personalities, i think the game started getting stupid a while ago

also jacket being in payday 2. dunno if thats canon though

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

Tempest_56 posted:

I'm here for bank robbing, cop killing and international terrorism, not demonic entities and alien conspiracy theories.
I'm still banking it turning out that Baldwin's Lament doesn't really do anything but make the right people scared of it.

This is the thing Bain's been searching for all this time, this is the thing that Murkywater kidnapped Bain over and being the group that gathers it is just realising Bain's ambition, established nearly five years ago and the ultimate gently caress-you to the Unluminati/Fauxmasons.

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


I would love thoroughly for it to not be supernatural at all, it's just a bunch of rich old men fighting each other and cosplaying as some ancient mystic Illuminati and we're robbing them loving blind.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

UnknownMercenary posted:

I would love thoroughly for it to not be supernatural at all, it's just a bunch of rich old men fighting each other and cosplaying as some ancient mystic Illuminati and we're robbing them loving blind.

I would be fine with it only if we get an area 51/UFO heist where Vlad comes in and yells at the aliens right before putting his stolen nukes to good use.

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
I would loving love nothing more than that tbh

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...
yeah vlad better have a part to play in this finale

they already made him a loving character model and everything

Doctor Shitfaced
Feb 13, 2012
Give me a loving railgun. Straight-up. Let me shoot space cops with a railgun.

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Doctor Shitfaced posted:

Give me a loving railgun. Straight-up. Let me shoot space cops with a railgun.

It will somehow be worse than a medieval crossbow. Bet on it.

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

UnknownMercenary posted:

It will somehow be worse than a medieval crossbow. Bet on it.
Imagine a Thanatos with 0 ammo pickup, a magazine of 1, something similar to a graze effect that only affects teammates and is too busy being a special weapon to benefit from actual graze.

Wastrel_
Jun 3, 2004

Read it and weep.
If RAID was a better game we wouldn't have all of this. While it's somewhat amusing to see a game originally focused on robbing banks and getting rich turn into a modern day fairytale about immortals and mysticism, support for Payday 2 was supposed to end in 2017. It just keeps being extended because Overkill has proved incapable of making a successor title that can earn them as much. They're milking this franchise for all it's worth, and since there can only be so many bank heists before it gets a bit stale, we're getting all this illuminati crap.

Not that I really mind so long as we continue to get fun new heists and weapons out of it.

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012
I kinda wish that there's no Payday 3, cause I feel like Payday 2 exhausted it's material. It's been so long and so much has happened, Payday 3 will certainly feel like a step backwards.

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
By virtue of almost definitely losing all the Collab characters, it absolutely will be. I'm interested, for sure, I've been with these fuckers since the first game was announced, but everything will feel so empty and wrong without Jimmy.

Shadowed Bacon
Apr 28, 2009
"Ok crew we need one more magic amulet, but here's the problem.... It's on the moon. See, they used it as a part on the original lander module. Yeah I know, but we gotta get it back. Guys, I think Vlad has some connections...."

And then we loot the flag.

Can Vlad be the scribe king? I want him busting in during the final confrontation with that fur coat and glasses.

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


And then watch as once all is said and done we straight unlock Vlad. Like we end the plot somehow, and the last one to come out on top is a coked-up Vlad going "MAN THIS poo poo IS STUPID, I'MMA HELP YOU ASSHOLES FIX IT"

This is prob after we somehow destroy Elephant and Dentist via magic poo poo.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

Right but there's only one way to kill the Dentist for sure.

We have to go back in time and steal him before he was even born.

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
If I get a mission where the loot pop up reads "BABY" I will in fact die screaming

TopHatGenius
Oct 3, 2008

something feels
different

Hot Rope Guy
I hope at the end of this the Apocalypse gets triggered. Then the gang finds an inter-dimensional portal held by Murkywater and uses it to escape to another Earth. Now they have to start over again (Begin Payday 3 here)

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...
It's all just a lead-in for Dallas in Walking Dead.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo
Payday 3 would be cool but it would need basically completely new mechanics. Ditch all the existing ones and come up with something new. Ditch the entire stealth system and replace it with something else. Imagine the same movie with a different director, or even different cast.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
I'd like to see XP dropped as a mechanic - just make everything unlock with money. We are bank robbers, after all.

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?
Isn't that basically how things used to be?
It kind of sucked as I recall.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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David D. Davidson posted:

Isn't that basically how things used to be?
It kind of sucked as I recall.

Not really? In 2 you always had Exp and Money. It's just that Exp unlocked a bunch of stuff faster than you could get money to try it out until you got to the 80's and poo poo slowed down. Oh and that until Gauge Coins came out, weapon mods were entirely a random roll besides stuff that was in Gauge's packages and achievement poo poo.

bbcisdabomb
Jan 15, 2008

SHEESH

Gort posted:

I'd like to see XP dropped as a mechanic - just make everything unlock with money. We are bank robbers, after all.

I want to see the prestiege mechanic for this theoretical system. How do you lose all that money? First time is buying a nice house in a foreign country, fourth time is building an orphanage, tenth time is buying a chain of gun stores, twenty-fifth time is naming a police academy after Dallas because gently caress it, I've got all this money and why wouldn't I?

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Alkydere posted:

Not really? In 2 you always had Exp and Money. It's just that Exp unlocked a bunch of stuff faster than you could get money to try it out until you got to the 80's and poo poo slowed down. Oh and that until Gauge Coins came out, weapon mods were entirely a random roll besides stuff that was in Gauge's packages and achievement poo poo.

Money earned as xp was how they did it in 1, so the they aren't wrong.

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress

bbcisdabomb posted:

I want to see the prestiege mechanic for this theoretical system. How do you lose all that money? First time is buying a nice house in a foreign country, fourth time is building an orphanage, tenth time is buying a chain of gun stores, twenty-fifth time is naming a police academy after Dallas because gently caress it, I've got all this money and why wouldn't I?

I want to see, instead of a playing card, a photo of Dallas buying these things. I want a photo of Dallas, in mask, clutching gun, gently patting an orphan on the shoulder.

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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Wastrel_ posted:

If RAID was a better game we wouldn't have all of this. While it's somewhat amusing to see a game originally focused on robbing banks and getting rich turn into a modern day fairytale about immortals and mysticism, support for Payday 2 was supposed to end in 2017. It just keeps being extended because Overkill has proved incapable of making a successor title that can earn them as much. They're milking this franchise for all it's worth, and since there can only be so many bank heists before it gets a bit stale, we're getting all this illuminati crap.

Not that I really mind so long as we continue to get fun new heists and weapons out of it.

FWIW, and (I know this is going to sound nuts), almost all the core material now has been planned from before launch. The many added characters, the Butcher and Kento probably weren't, Locke wasn't, and it's possible that the Dentist and the Elephant were originally the same character, but Murkywater, Kataru and the boxes and the alchemy symbols and a bunch of the specific heists? All intended.

A lot of the core material is heavily reworked from cut stuff that was going to run in payday 1.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 1, 2018

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