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Chael is going to keep his chin tucked and try to pointbox fedor. Is chael as good a striker as fabio maldonado? Probably not but i’m ready to find out. Does Fedor punch harder than Rampage? Chael said rampage hit him harder than he’s ever been hit before.
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Chael's path to victory is to attempt to point-box Fedor in round 1 and then wrestle him in rounds 2 and 3. Whether he can survive until Fedor gasses is the crux of it all. Chael by KO is the funniest possible outcome.
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May 1, 2018 17:04
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i know history doesn't look kindly on tim sylvia, and he followed up the loss to fedor by losing even worse to ray mercer, but in context his wins against tim and arlovski were good imo. and yes crocop smashed a bunch of cans, but again, in the context of the time and him as a kickboxing convert he also had some solid wins, fujita, barnett, igor, herring, aleks. yes a bunch of those have asterisks (ie herring being told he's fighting a wrestler, barnett's shoulder exploding in 30 seconds) but almost none of the heavyweights of that era will pass through this kind of was never good scrutiny because the divisions in pride and the ufc were full of bums. the best you'll get is nogueira, and he benefits from werdum looking good retroactively (even though he wasn't great at the time), and still fought a few fat japanese guys, zuluzinho, an 0-0 judoka, etc
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May 1, 2018 17:15
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Matt Lindland posted:If we admit that crocop, big nog, and mark hunt actually suck rear end then fedors resume looks fairly bad. Interesting. keven i'm sorry...... but for the 2 years mark hunt fought in pride and for several years afterwards he actually did suck rear end
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May 1, 2018 17:20
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So what you're saying, dunc, is that fedor was never good and chael will win easily only to be crushed by meathead in the finals.
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May 1, 2018 17:21
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Alright first off my name is matt. Second I agree with you that mark hunt used to be bad. However, to paraphrase a Mitch Hedberg joke: Mark Hunt used to be bad. He's still bad, but he also used to be.
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May 1, 2018 17:22
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Mark Hunt's become a much more well rounded fighter because he's learned how to efficiently fight his way back to standup. But that's like saying a polyhedron is more round than a cube. Mark Hunt is a polyhedron.
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May 1, 2018 17:27
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Mr. Nice! posted:So what you're saying, dunc, is that fedor was never good and chael will win easily only to be crushed by meathead in the finals. fedor was the best heavyweight in 2005 but his legacy is hampered by his abysmal strength of schedule even by pride standards and the incomparable matchmaking philosophies of the time. chael is much worse than matt lindland and will get his rear end beat without showing that he could easily win, like matt did. and yes fat shittrione will win
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May 1, 2018 17:29
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coconono posted:Mark Hunt's become a much more well rounded fighter because he's learned how to efficiently fight his way back to standup. But that's like saying a polyhedron is more round than a cube. Mark Hunt is a polyhedron. He's definitely more round than a cube.
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May 1, 2018 17:37
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Mark Hunt owns, but he shouldn't have gotten a title shot against Fedor coming off of a submission loss to Barnett. That reflects more on Fedor and Pride than it does on Mark Hunt. They threw him in there to lose. That he threatened Fedor is more evidence that Fedor was never good. And what happened to Hunt is pretty much what happened with every other name that Fedor faced outside of Arlovski, Nog, and Co Cop - they booked a fight with Fedor by showing that they could lose.
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May 1, 2018 17:49
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Chael looked a lot bigger than Fedor in the cage, was it just because he was wearing shoes?
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May 1, 2018 17:56
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willie_dee posted:Chael looked a lot bigger than Fedor in the cage, was it just because he was wearing shoes? Chael probably puffed himself up a bit, maybe even threw in some lifts because Chael's weird like that.
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May 1, 2018 18:03
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I agree with dunc that no heavyweights from 10 years ago will pass through the never good scrutiny. Its ok to look back at what fedor actually did do and judge him to be cool. Its also ok to say that he almost got arm barred by mark hunt. When mark hunt didnt know how to do an armbar
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May 1, 2018 18:08
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Triticum Guzzler posted:fatt shitrihorny
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May 1, 2018 18:18
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nog and fedor both beat mark coleman so imo they were good
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May 1, 2018 18:26
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you can only be as good as the competition you have in front of you. fedor and big nog etc all trained accordingly, its pointless to think about how complete they were as fighters because they trained in ways that suited them with the expertise and knowledge they had available for the types of fights they were expected to have
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May 1, 2018 18:37
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willie_dee posted:Chael looked a lot bigger than Fedor in the cage, was it just because he was wearing shoes? Chael is 6'1" to Fedor's 6'0" and was wearing shoes while the other was barefoot, so it's both. Chael is around 225-230 and is pretty shredded while Fedor is pudgy and 240. I'm honestly not sure that Chael is going to look small compared to Fedor at all, but there's a definite strength mismatch.
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May 1, 2018 21:35
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Mr. Nice! posted:Chael is 6'1" to Fedor's 6'0" and was wearing shoes while the other was barefoot, so it's both. Chael is around 225-230 and is pretty shredded while Fedor is pudgy and 240. If heavier weights were at all competitive the way lighter ones are Fedor would definitely have always been a LH or even a middleweight. Look at the fucken guy
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May 1, 2018 22:52
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Mr. Nice! posted:Chael is 6'1" to Fedor's 6'0" and was wearing shoes while the other was barefoot, so it's both. Chael is around 225-230 and is pretty shredded while Fedor is pudgy and 240. Fedor has the Lord Jesus Christ and One True Christian God on his side now, so it's pretty much a wrap.
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May 1, 2018 23:06
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DeimosRising posted:If heavier weights were at all competitive the way lighter ones are Fedor would definitely have always been a LH or even a middleweight. Look at the fucken guy tiny body big head fedor vs tiny body big head BJ Penn woulda done some money
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May 2, 2018 00:19
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Fedor fought subpar competition in Japan, he should've came to America and tested himself against the murderers row of UFC HWs like Gan McGee, Tra Telligman, and Cabbage
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May 2, 2018 01:50
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He was correctly afraid that Cabbage would gently caress him up
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May 2, 2018 01:59
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I've had a Fedor, Wanderlei, Matt Serra, and Sonnen AV. When fighters from my previous AVs fight each other, I get the shakes.
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May 2, 2018 02:11
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I.N.R.I posted:you can only be as good as the competition you have in front of you. fedor and big nog etc all trained accordingly, its pointless to think about how complete they were as fighters because they trained in ways that suited them with the expertise and knowledge they had available for the types of fights they were expected to have totally agree with that also they lived in the transition between guys who like fighting and competitive athletes... in a 60 minute or no time limit fight im still taking young chuck/pedro rizzo over most guys in history.... but neither guy is as suited to winning 3 five minute rounds as most the good fighters today.... Fedor/Nog/etc era those guys still started out in crazy more like a real fight rules, too.
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May 2, 2018 02:24
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Matt Lindland posted:If we admit that crocop, big nog, and mark hunt actually suck rear end then fedors resume looks fairly bad. Interesting. I don't give a single poo poo how much Mark Hunt sucks (and I happily recognise that he does suck) but I will always watch him suck because sometimes when he sucks he walk-off KOs Frank Mir into kangaroo-meat-related retirement.
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May 2, 2018 03:57
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Fedor definitely got a lot of cans but I think that speaks highly of his ability to keep both PRIDE and the fans excited about him. Which is pretty loving hard when you have a wizard and a priest on your payroll.
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May 2, 2018 04:27
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I believe Chael will grind him out. But this is more of a religious belief than a result of critical thinking.
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May 2, 2018 05:03
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Fedor should have lost to Ricardo Arona, a handsome puffed up middleweight grappler who was on a steady diet of steroids for decades. I'm feeling things for Chael
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May 2, 2018 05:59
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Mr. Nice! posted:But seriously how the hell is there any way Chael actually beats him? This should be like the bones or rashad fight but much much worse. Bones is a good fighter. Rashad probably was at some point. david carmichael posted:I agree with dunc that no heavyweights from 10 years ago will pass through the never good scrutiny. Its ok to look back at what fedor actually did do and judge him to be cool. Its also ok to say that he almost got arm barred by mark hunt. When mark hunt didnt know how to do an armbar He also nearly got knocked out by Kazuyuki loving Fujita, who does not and has never known what a punch is or what it's supposed to do. chaleski posted:Fedor fought subpar competition in Japan, he should've came to America and tested himself against the murderers row of UFC HWs like Gan McGee, Tra Telligman, and Cabbage This is sort of the crux of the thing: Heavyweight is poo poo mountain. Fedor was probably the king of poo poo mountain in 2005 or whatever, but it was still poo poo mountain. No heavyweight is ever going to have a truly sterling record because there just aren't that many good guys to beat. If you look at the guys who are generally considered to be the best group of HWs in MMA, all their best wins are each other. We know JDS and Cain are good because of their trilogy, not because Cain beat Dennis Stojnic and JDS beat Stefan Struve. (replace with any of their other wins) I mean, look at the way the cards had to fall for Stipe to end up with 4 non terrible opponents in a row, and there's still massive asterixes on each of them (they're either crazy old, green, or Alistair Overeem) That's why it's so strange that a poo poo mountain king like Fedor attracts the kind of fanatical devotion he has from fans. To the best of my knowledge, no one has started a thread here on the agony and ecstacy of being an Anderson Silva or GSP fan, despite that fact that both of them are substantially more impressive. Yet, even here, on one of the more rational MMA boards, we had that amazing Socrates thread.
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May 3, 2018 02:01
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He's white and had a really long win streak.
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May 3, 2018 02:19
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If you don't know why Fedor was popular I don't know what to tell you. He knocked people dead despite being a little guy, like Frankie Edgar but from 2005
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May 3, 2018 02:35
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The last time I watched Chael fight he got choked in a round by Tito
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May 3, 2018 02:36
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Mr. Nice! posted:Chael is going to keep his chin tucked and try to pointbox fedor. Is chael as good a striker as fabio maldonado? Probably not but i’m ready to find out. prior to that he said Bisping hit him harder than he’d ever been hit so perhaps you should not listen to anything chael says
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May 3, 2018 03:12
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also Fedor was the best in 2005 and all the making GBS threads on Fedor people do here is backlash from his horrible fan base and shady business stuff
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May 3, 2018 03:15
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vainman posted:The last time I watched Chael fight he got choked in a round by Tito One of the worst moments of my life.
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May 3, 2018 03:16
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Fat Twitter Man posted:prior to that he said Bisping hit him harder than he’d ever been hit so perhaps you should not listen to anything chael says It wasn’t that Bisping hit harder than anyone, but rather that Bisping rung his bell in rd one and could have TKOed him easily if he knew how bad Chael was hurt.
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May 3, 2018 03:29
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Chael can wrestle anybody including fodder emily’s ankle but will most likely get paralysis by analysis at some point and get tkod.
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May 3, 2018 03:45
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vainman posted:If you don't know why Fedor was popular I don't know what to tell you. He knocked people dead despite being a little guy, like Frankie Edgar but from 2005 I get was, not is, now, like 13 years after his last genuinely impressive win. Which was a decision. Over a man with no spine. In the literal sense.
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May 3, 2018 05:01
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Chael shouldn't beat Fedor, but neither should have Hendo. Sure, Hendo has/had the kill shot Chael doesn't but it's not like Fedor vs smaller dude is an auto win for him.
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I think another reason Fedor is popular is that people, especially Americans, really like a living stereotype such as a Stoic Russian or a Bus Fighting Irishman.
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