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I seriously doubt Tolkien would have said the Silmarillion was his life's work. It was background notes to give LotR a coherent backstory. That is, in fact, blantantly what it is.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I seriously doubt Tolkien would have said the Silmarillion was his life's work. It was background notes to give LotR a coherent backstory. That is, in fact, blantantly what it is. And LotR was just background notes to give his constructed languages a coherent backstory.
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May 1, 2018 01:15
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It all makes sense now. Martin will elevate the genre to big "L" literature by not finishing. As he always intended.
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May 1, 2018 02:09
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I seriously doubt Tolkien would have said the Silmarillion was his life's work. It was background notes to give LotR a coherent backstory. That is, in fact, blantantly what it is. It's debatable whether or not Tolkien himself would have called it that, but considering that it is literally the work he spent more or less the whole of his life writing and re-writing and which provides the underpinning for everything else that he ever wrote, I think it's entirely fair and reasonable to say that Silmarillion represents his life's work and its culmination. I mean, Christopher Tolkien has made an entire lifelong career out of publishing fragments, re-writes, and expansions of the Silmarillion.
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May 1, 2018 02:52
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DFW never finished The Pale King either he had a really good excuse though, George
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May 1, 2018 07:57
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Okay, so he's just straight up copping to never finishing the drat thing and telling people to stop bitching about it, right? Like, that's the reading here right? "Who gives a poo poo if I never finish it. Look at all these other stories that people still read that weren't finished either. I'LL BE JUST LIKE TOLKIEN AND DICKENS!!  "
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May 1, 2018 08:05
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I think his rationalization to never completing the books and expecting his fans to accept it is the absolute last straw for me and I'm at 4chan levels of toxic right now.
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May 1, 2018 09:33
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Well, i am pretty sure the authors he mentioned didn’t end their series with one of the main protagonists making GBS threads herself to death in a field while having done gently caress to advance the story line for two books. Also, I believe the combined page count for LotR/silmarillion is less than the GoT series.
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May 1, 2018 12:38
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So GRRM is just coming out and saying 'ya gently caress it I'm not gonna work hard enough to finish this before that next pizza kills me'?
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May 1, 2018 14:44
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Peake had a degenerative brain disease.
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May 1, 2018 17:11
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I should have never doubted the absoluteness of gurm's fuckery. This is some infinities beyond infinty type poo poo.
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May 1, 2018 17:29
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Asimov and Frank Herbert also (in)famously died with their life's works unfinished. It is, honestly, a sadly common thing for sci-fi/fantasy writers to bite it before they are able to finish their tales. That said, I can't think of any of these writers who had the work ethic of GRRM. And, as has been pointed out, a lot of these writers, unlike GRRM, were busy fighting illness, raising families, fighting in wars, or otherwise doing lots of other things besides getting fat(ter) and blogging about football.
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May 1, 2018 17:31
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Asimov and Frank Herbert also (in)famously died with their life's works unfinished. It is, honestly, a sadly common thing for sci-fi/fantasy writers to bite it before they are able to finish their tales. I would have a lot of respect for GRRM if he dealt with his crippling cheeseburger addiction by going out on a boat with a shotgun and hunting Nazi sharks I am the god of tits and rum
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May 1, 2018 17:37
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Asimov and Frank Herbert also (in)famously died with their life's works unfinished. It is, honestly, a sadly common thing for sci-fi/fantasy writers to bite it before they are able to finish their tales. I know this is the bad thread but I honestly believe grrm is a far more ambitious author than most other fantasy/sci-fi authors, I have empathy for how it must ultimately be incredibly stressful for him to even approach this epic he's created knowing how it is already perceived a masterpiece and how much scrutiny every sentence he's going to write is going to see. I wouldn't be surprised if he spends all of his 'writing time' just going over the ten or so chapters he's already written and compulsively rewriting them.
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May 1, 2018 19:00
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I know this is the bad thread but I honestly believe grrm is a far more ambitious author than most other fantasy/sci-fi authors, I have empathy for how it must ultimately be incredibly stressful for him to even approach this epic he's created knowing how it is already perceived a masterpiece and how much scrutiny every sentence he's going to write is going to see. what are your thoughts on house Mallory? (holky gently caress you're back)
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May 1, 2018 19:08
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When did I leave? I always said I believe gurm is a genius.
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May 1, 2018 19:52
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lol not even grrm thinks he's gonna finish this poo poo
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May 1, 2018 20:03
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I'm almost just kinda glad to see him say something about it in the first place.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:When did I leave? I dunno, you were really popular as a poster and then we didn't see you around so much? I believe GRRM is a genius in that he has made bank, in the same way Kanye West has. You feel trolled sometimes but eh, I'm jealous of his output and success
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May 1, 2018 20:06
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counterfeitsaint posted:I'm almost just kinda glad to see him say something about it in the first place. Less sad than ‘Grrm is not your bitch’ tho.
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May 1, 2018 20:14
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He's only releasing Fire and Blood because he wants some cash from his publisher. And if by some miracle he finishes Dunk and Egg he can do Fire and Blood MK II. Couldn't his publisher sue if he outright said he's not going to finish the books? That's why I figured he bothers lying anymore
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May 2, 2018 01:13
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SirKibbles posted:He's only releasing Fire and Blood because he wants some cash from his publisher. And if by some miracle he finishes Dunk and Egg he can do Fire and Blood MK II. Couldn't his publisher sue if he outright said he's not going to finish the books? That's why I figured he bothers lying anymore He probably has so much from the tv deal it doesn’t matter to him what the publisher wants anymore.
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May 2, 2018 02:43
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Maybe, but I doubt he wants to deal with getting sued either. I'm sure they'd ask for advances and things back which could get pricey.
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May 2, 2018 04:29
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SaviourX posted:Fake writing fantasy history doesn't really count as writing, guys, and it's a side gig anyway, and not really important, so of course he's gonna do it. Like little wiki articles poorly put together and turned to ruin in edit wars by zealous sycophantic fans that haven't gotten the memo yet. He's just editing that poo poo right? I think that is his ideal role. He gets to write little sentences and clarify some points, and other people do the heavy lifting.
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May 2, 2018 06:48
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scene: Dystopian Gibson future. The wealthy businessman looks down at small package sitting on the table. The size of an assault rifle magazine - black stamped metal - nearly featureless. The old ROM cartridge concealing it's highly illegal cargo. He jacked it into the deck in front of him, and watched as it booted up. Blue and white letters scrolled past. It was the real thing. "Pay him" he said. And Noshinta pulled out a thick wad of cash, handed it to the man on the other side of the table. He grabbed his payment, politely nodded, and disappeared into the darkness of the nearly empty bar. He'd waited years for this. Almost an entire lifetime. He had come across the books in his grandfather's attic. One of the man's last possessions - and probably the one that helped drive him insane. He'd been warned not to read those books - but of course he had. One of the many mistakes of his ill spent youth. The missing ending had haunted him for years. It wasn't until later - when the patent money had started rolling in - that he was able to return to the obsession. And it WAS an obsession. At first just a curiousity, an itch that he couldn't scratch. But as he looked deeper - finding movies, comics, scripts - by dozens of different authors - each claiming to have completed the series. But they were all trash. The original author had created a master's tapestry of plot - and he would recognized the old master's hand when he saw it. He knew it would take all those loose threads and bring them back together in an ending worthy of the name. He knew it. And must read it. His body man Noshinta beckoned - it was time to leave. Hours later, back at the penthouse, he sat in front of his private deck. His hands shook slightly as he gently slotted in the cartridge. It was highly illegal, this thing. All AI was highly regulated - this would never have been allowed today. But in those early years, mankind and their new AI friends had opened entirely new avenues of existence. And this was one. A ROM construct of an actual person. He conjectured it had been commissioned force ably - no one would willingly subject themselves to the horrors necessary to create this. Brain sliced and layered nano thin for processing and scanning. Being brought back "alive" then "killed" over and over and over - a hundred thousand painful automated deaths - until the personality finally "took" without error. And then for that person - trapped forever in this soulless box - tethered to the will of it's owner. It was a miserable fate. He had heard that the original owners had tried to force the Author to finish this tale. But despite all the pressure they could bring to bear, the metal encased soul was silent. But he had learned much over his years of study. He knew what fed the old Authors soul - but most importantly, he knew what the author needed to write: Blue and white letters scrolled down the screen. ******************************** * WORD STAR 4.0 * ******************************** It had been so obvious, really. A writer needs a pen and paper - and this was his. he typed the required line: >Load a:/runme.con And waited for the construct to load. The monitor scrolled: >con: where am i? >you are here, wise author. I have awaken your ghost. >con: did you bring the pizza? >yes, wise author. Enjoy it. Load b:/command pizza.con >con: great! so where were we? >You were going to provide us with the final chapters of your greatest work. >con: oh yes! Definitely! It is almost finished, I just need a bit more time. >of course - please take all the time you need. I rubbed my eyes. It had been a long day, and the adrenaline was rushing out of me. I knew this would take a while. months even. The ROM had access to the latest generation of CPUs. They would allow the author to think - and write - literally 1000s of times faster than he could have when alive. I would check back in a week. cont. later kcroy fucked around with this message at 07:38 on May 2, 2018 |
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May 2, 2018 07:27
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The correct thing to do is to never finish that. It's what He would have wanted.
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rapeface posted:The correct thing to do is to never finish that. It's what He would have wanted. Absoluta Irrumator Praetor *makes the sign of The Seven
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May 2, 2018 19:37
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kcroy posted:>of course - please take all the time you need.
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May 2, 2018 21:19
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Ginette Reno posted:If the infinite universe theory is true then there's a universe out there where GRMM has finished the series. that is not how parallel universes work! i can easily believe that "Gurm never finishes" is a universal invariant across this multiverse
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May 4, 2018 10:26
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Solice Kirsk posted:Maybe, but I doubt he wants to deal with getting sued either. I'm sure they'd ask for advances and things back which could get pricey. I'm sure the tv show money could cover whatever the book people want without the grum ever even noticing.
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PupsOfWar posted:that is not how parallel universes work! theres at least one where he never started and we were all spared this..... this.... absoluteness of fuckery.
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IRQ posted:I'm sure the tv show money could cover whatever the book people want without the grum ever even noticing. True, but there's a difference between being able to afford something and wanting to pay it.
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May 5, 2018 06:25
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kcroy posted:
You're a good man, Charles Brown.
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May 5, 2018 07:47
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Asimov and Frank Herbert also (in)famously died with their life's works unfinished. It is, honestly, a sadly common thing for sci-fi/fantasy writers to bite it before they are able to finish their tales. Asimov was a goddamn writing machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov_bibliography_(chronological) He was once asked what he would do if told he had only 30 minutes to live and replied "Type faster".
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Asimov and Frank Herbert also (in)famously died with their life's works unfinished What was Herbert still working on? edit: nm. I guess I never realized that there should have been more after Chapterhouse. Now I have to decide if I want to read the BS his son put together. kcroy fucked around with this message at 06:08 on May 10, 2018 |
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May 10, 2018 06:02
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Let me save you the trouble. No, you don't.
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May 10, 2018 10:38
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To be fair you didn't really want to read Heretics or Chapterhouse, either.
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May 10, 2018 10:41
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whowhatwhere posted:To be fair you didn't really want to read Heretics or Chapterhouse, either. Well, also in fairness, I think a big part of the problem with those two is that there is no final book. In my opinion, the Dune books sort of follow a rhythm; 1:2:1:2:1, with that last one never coming. What I mean is, Dune is largely self-contained and can stand alone. Messiah and Children can't, and are basically both follow-ups and elaborations upon the themes and issues of Dune, and serve to set the stage for God-Emperor. God-Emperor, like Dune, can in some ways stand alone, certainly when compared to the books before and after it. Heretics and Chapterhouse, like Messiah and Children, are basically stage dressing. They clear the stage of the old by elaborating and building upon the themes of what came before, in this case God-Emperor, while setting the stage for some new book.... That never happens, because Frank Herbert died. So basically the issue is they're the first and second acts of a three act play, in which the third act was never, and will never be, produced. They're set-up without payoff. I mean, also in fairness, don't get me wrong. They're definitely, even on their own merits, weaker than all the Dune books preceding them. I just think that their biggest flaw is that. They're incomplete.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Let me save you the trouble. I probably have to now. I mean before I thought them jumping to a new system was just the end of it all. done. Not the ending I wanted, but an ending. Now... its like... I gotta know. Wish I could just read Herbert's notes or something instead. Maybe I'll just read a synopsis of the books. whowhatwhere posted:To be fair you didn't really want to read Heretics or Chapterhouse, either. I liked them ok. I know I'm on the outside on this one.
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I mean let’s be real here we all like terrible books on some level otherwise we wouldn’t be here.
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