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Jaxyon posted:So as for some of the most reliable Democrat votes, black women, do you feel they're stupid, or suckers? Ask the Democrats and especially Doug Jones who personally owes black women for his seat, since they just rewarded their most reliable voter cohort by joining Republicans to vote to effectively re-legalize housing discrimination against them. But I guess that's just what Democrats do when  game theory tells them that a group has to vote for them or get lynched by the neoconfederate party.
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Okay I think I see where this line of logic is coming from. People were saying dont blame the voters for not voting, and the trap was trying to get benghazi 2 to try blaming a different group of voters by asking if they voted dem because they were stupid or gullible (a different kind of stupid). And then benghazi 2 didnt engage at all so the fallback point was a really milquetoast "Oh uh. Well everyone judges people" extending that statement to say that we're all judging black women for voting dem anyways I guess this is what its like when people try to play chess in their heads
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May 2, 2018 01:39
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Control Volume posted:People said dont blame the voters, and then you asked them to explain why a core voting bloc votes that way, and the only logical options are to blame voters or to... blame... voters.......? No, those aren't the only logical options.
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May 2, 2018 01:39
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there's really nothing more craven than trotting out the "but black women voted overwhelmingly democratically, are you saying all black women are stupid or suckers?" in a political discussion most people are ignorant, but yes, the ones who know this poo poo and still vote for dems are stupid and suckers. literally nothing to do with racism and applies the same to republicans fyi
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May 2, 2018 01:39
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VitalSigns posted:Ask the Democrats and especially Doug Jones who personally owes black women for his seat, since they just rewarded their most reliable voter cohort by joining Republicans to vote to effectively re-legalize housing discrimination against them. So the democrats suckered black women?
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May 2, 2018 01:40
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Jaxyon posted:So the democrats suckered black women? they sucker everyone you racebaiting idiot
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self unaware posted:most people are ignorant, but yes, the ones who know this poo poo and still vote for dems are stupid and suckers. literally nothing to do with racism and applies the same to republicans fyi How the gently caress did you fall into the most obvious trap in the world when I literally told you what it was and how it worked? self unaware posted:racebaiting noice
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May 2, 2018 01:40
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Democrats seem to think black women are suckers since the ink had barely dried on Doug Jones' winning ballots when he turned around and voted for redlining because the people who matter (donors) make bank off it
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[kicking the entire basis of the trap out from under ur dumb rear end] It doesnt matter because being suckered is just another way of saying trusting politicians who ultimately betray you, and thats still not on the voters
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May 2, 2018 01:43
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VitalSigns posted:Democrats seem to think black women are suckers since the ink had barely dried on Doug Jones' winning ballots when he turned around and voted for redlining because the people who matter (donors) make bank off it Basically would have been the same for folks as Roy Moore, really when you think about it.
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May 2, 2018 01:43
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Jaxyon posted:How the gently caress did you fall into the most obvious trap in the world when I literally told you what it was and how it worked? lol if you think I give a poo poo about D&D badlib #3278 to come in here to tell me "actually, you're a racist" Jaxyon posted:Basically would have been the same for folks as Roy Moore, really when you think about it. serious question, what would be different?
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May 2, 2018 01:44
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self unaware posted:lol if you think I give a poo poo about D&D badlib #3278 to come in here to tell me "actually, you're a racist" LOL not a lib, not saying you're racist. Your username and av is solid.
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May 2, 2018 01:45
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Jaxyon posted:LOL not a lib, not saying you're racist. Your username and av is solid. ahh yes the socialist who votes for liberals to own the capitalists
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May 2, 2018 01:46
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Jaxyon posted:Basically would have been the same for folks as Roy Moore, really when you think about it. Nice defense of segregation 
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Jaxyon posted:LOL not a lib, not saying you're racist. Your username and av is solid. I still want to know how exactly you're a leftist in any real sense of the word ie not on the hosed up American scale
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May 2, 2018 01:47
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I still want to know how exactly you're a leftist in any real sense of the word ie not on the hosed up American scale "I voted for Bernie in the primary!"
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May 2, 2018 01:47
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Anyways this delicate dance of trying to find logical fallacies and flaws to call each other morons was fun and I look forward to changing absolutely no ones mind while voter participation continues to plummet
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May 2, 2018 01:49
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im sure continuing to tell people they need to vote for one of the evil parties or their vote doesnt matter will help
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self unaware posted:"I voted for Bernie in the primary!" Okay yeah good point let me amend that What do you actually believe in that makes you a leftist jayxon
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May 2, 2018 01:50
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Yeah really showing me the error of describing you guys as "if you don't agree with me you're a lib"
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tbh I think the left winger who looks at the state of the american politcal landscape and thinks "I shall reform the democratic party by participating in its lovely rigged primaries" instead of "I shall harness the extant antigovernmental sentiment to push people towards some kind of libsoc/ancom party based on undermining the legitimacy of the current electoral system" is the dafter of the two. Like I'd prefer state socialism but given that your current choice is between two brands of demolishing the government I think honestly achieving an anarchist revolution or destabilizing the current governmental system is more likely than beating the dem establishment by playing by their rules.
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May 2, 2018 01:50
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah really showing me the error of describing you guys as "if you don't agree with me you're a lib" you're not a lib because you disagree with me, you're a lib because you vote for liberals, advocate for voting for liberals, and shame anyone who doesn't vote for liberals anyone who pulls the "if you didn't vote hillary you voted trump" is a dyed in the wool lib
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May 2, 2018 01:51
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Just so I dont leave you with a void of my actual opinions, this entire thread is flawed because it tries to explore the problem of voter disengagement from an ideological basis (voters should always vote! game theory! vs democrats are bad and its morally wrong etc etc) when the morality of voting has almost no practical use and only issues/voter engagement/demagoguery actually matter
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May 2, 2018 01:52
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OwlFancier posted:tbh I think the left winger who looks at the state of the american politcal landscape and thinks "I shall reform the democratic party by participating in its lovely rigged primaries" instead of "I shall harness the extant antigovernmental sentiment to push people towards some kind of libsoc/ancom party based on undermining the legitimacy of the current electoral system" is the dafter of the two. If people were actually advocating revolutionary socialism I'd respect that. This is a strategic voting thread.
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May 2, 2018 01:52
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the best strategic vote is to vote for a leftist third party. we have a better chance at affecting change by forcing the dems to move left to take 5-10% of the vote than you ever will by voting for the approved primary candidates the national committees keep shoving down your throats best part is it only gets easier the further the dems move right
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May 2, 2018 01:53
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Control Volume posted:Just so I dont leave you with a void of my actual opinions, this entire thread is flawed because it tries to explore the problem of voter disengagement from an ideological basis (voters should always vote! game theory! vs democrats are bad and its morally wrong etc etc) when the morality of voting has almost no practical use and only issues/voter engagement/demagoguery actually matter Basically my entire thing is "if you're going to vote then this is how I think you should vote" and then it was a lot of really intentionally bad misreadings of my opinions to "own the libs from the left"
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May 2, 2018 01:54
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In which the spectacular improbability of the "support the dems to stop the republicans even if they're bad" strategy paying off, is relevant.
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self unaware posted:the best strategic vote is to vote for a leftist third party. we have a better chance at affecting change by forcing the dems to move left to take 5-10% of the vote than you ever will by voting for the approved primary candidates the national committees keep shoving down your throats But, what if people disagree with you. Oh yeah, dumbasses, but it's not their fault, right. Just a pat on the head from you.
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May 2, 2018 01:55
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Jaxyon posted:But, what if people disagree with you. for most people, it's not their fault. for people like you who have been handed the information on a silver platter, no, you're a dumbass that will never be an ally. if you're voting dem still and arguing to continue doing so i've pretty much lost faith in your ability to turn left. your brain is broken, the worms have settled in, pray that the labor duty you're assigned isn't too backbreaking
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May 2, 2018 01:56
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah really showing me the error of describing you guys as "if you don't agree with me you're a lib" No I actually legitimately want to know where you stand because your interpretation of politics is skewed as gently caress from what you've said here and as such I don't actually know where you stand
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Jaxyon posted:Basically my entire thing is "if you're going to vote then this is how I think you should vote" and then it was a lot of really intentionally bad misreadings of my opinions to "own the libs from the left" I sincerely dont give a poo poo what you think of my voting habits
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Jaxyon posted:Basically my entire thing is "if you're going to vote then this is how I think you should vote" and then it was a lot of really intentionally bad misreadings of my opinions to "own the libs from the left" Nah you're also trying to tell us why not voting isn't an option
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May 2, 2018 01:58
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not voting is pretty dumb too tbqh, unless you live in a state that like requires you to vote R or D. even more than that, the local issues are generally way more important and you can have a way bigger impact there
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self unaware posted:not voting is pretty dumb too tbqh, unless you live in a state that like requires you to vote R or D. even more than that, the local issues are generally way more important and you can have a way bigger impact there Like I said, I live in upstate New York, my vote literally does not matter outside of the city of syracuse
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May 2, 2018 01:59
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Let's all vote for former republicans who immediately switch back to their previous party identification after winning cus that's funny as poo poo.
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May 2, 2018 01:59
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self unaware posted:for most people, it's not their fault. for people like you who have been handed the information on a silver platter, no, you're a dumbass that will never be an ally. if you're voting dem still and arguing to continue doing so i've pretty much lost faith in your ability to turn left. your brain is broken, the worms have settled in, pray that the labor duty you're assigned isn't too backbreaking The real allies think minorities are ignorant victims. Got it.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Like I said, I live in upstate New York, my vote literally does not matter outside of the city of syracuse bro write in gloria Jaxyon posted:The real allies think minorities are ignorant victims. Got it. *race card* *race card* *race card* "why isn't this drat thing working!?!"
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May 2, 2018 02:00
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self unaware posted:bro write in gloria Who I seriously don't bother at a state level because this state is so hosed up in terms of voting
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Jaxyon posted:The real allies think minorities are ignorant victims. Got it. I'm such a leftist that I have to call other leftists racist
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Who https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_La_Riva probably the most available unequivocally "good" candidate nationwide. nobody voted for her of course, because i live in a country of Stockholm syndrome sufferers
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