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May 2, 2018 22:05
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Noted traitor primarch Rogal Dorn (having purple and phoenix together doesn't prove anything)
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May 2, 2018 22:05
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Also biologically the differences between normal marines and primaris are the additions of space steroids, an adrenaline gene that makes them go nuts when they're about to die (hence the last stand attack), and literal metal coils around their limbs. They weren't satisfied with just saying "oh they're just modified to be taller", they have bedsprings in their legs and arms.
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May 2, 2018 22:06
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TTerrible posted:Rogal Dorn didn't turn Traitor? Hustlin Floh posted:Noted traitor primarch Rogal Dorn The theory is that they're Emperor's Children. 
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May 2, 2018 22:07
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Just because biglys are stupid enough to put candles on their backpacks doesn't mean they're traitors.
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May 2, 2018 22:08
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I was pretty into the Emperor's Children until I started reading Fulgrim and that book is so bad that I will never ever paint that legion, no matter how cool any future noise marine models are
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May 2, 2018 22:09
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Schadenboner posted:The theory is that they're Emperor's Children. A purple arm is a bit of a stretch. The fluff blurb sounds nothing like EC. EDIT: This is going to end up being some loving retarded 1d4chan poo poo again isn't it. Dark Imperium has Bobby G smacking Cawl down when he talks about making Primaris with the geneseed of the traitors and the 2nd and 11th. It'll probably be explored later as some kind of INSANE TWIST NO ONE SAW COMING to sell Chaos Primaris but those dudes just have a purple arm. TTerrible fucked around with this message at 22:12 on May 2, 2018 |
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May 2, 2018 22:09
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TTerrible posted:A purple arm is a bit of a stretch. The fluff blurb sounds nothing like EC. Hams Hams never change
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May 2, 2018 22:11
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Schadenboner posted:The theory is that they're Emperor's Children. GW is never so subtle that they'd just make a combination of a color and a word enough to prove they're traitor. They'd have some [unknown] poo poo in there for the primarch, not a flat-out lie. You could also say their focus on worshiping the Emperor OBVIOUSLY proves they're actually Word Bearers (or, like the Templars, zealous sons of Dorn who follow the Imperial Cult).
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May 2, 2018 22:12
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TTerrible posted:EDIT: This is going to end up being some loving retarded 1d4chan poo poo again isn't it. Guess where the only source is for people saying this is proof of traitor geneseed?
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May 2, 2018 22:13
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TTerrible posted:A purple arm is a bit of a stretch. The fluff blurb sounds nothing like EC. dark mechanicus starts with cawl hell yeah
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May 2, 2018 22:13
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TTerrible posted:A purple arm is a bit of a stretch. The fluff blurb sounds nothing like EC. "White gold purple marines that wage war so beautifully they convert those who bear witness and are followed by worshippers" on top of being a pet project from someone foreshadowed to be loving with traitor geneseed? Plus since every single primaris chapter currently was produced by Cawl, there'd be noone stopping him from just scribbling any name he wanted in the Primarch space. I mean look at it from this perspective: there is literally nothing notable about them beyond color scheme, there's no harm in entertaining the idea.
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May 2, 2018 22:13
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This is how GW do "subtle hints" about traitors: Neurolimal posted:"White gold purple marines that wage war so beautifully they convert those who bear witness and are followed by worshippers" on top of being a pet project from someone foreshadowed to be loving with traitor geneseed? It doesn't say that though? It doesn't say anyything about beauty at all. You just made that up out of nothing. It says they're ritualistic and followed by holy men and women. That sounds like the word bearers if anything. So yeah, this is some weird 1d4chan headcanon again. if I go and look am I going to find it TTerrible fucked around with this message at 22:16 on May 2, 2018 |
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May 2, 2018 22:13
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Hustlin Floh posted:GW is never so subtle that they'd just make a combination of a color and a word enough to prove they're traitor. They'd have some [unknown] poo poo in there for the primarch, not a flat-out lie. You could also say their focus on worshiping the Emperor OBVIOUSLY proves they're actually Word Bearers (or, like the Templars, zealous sons of Dorn who follow the Imperial Cult). Look at this 'lil nublet who can't tell they're actually Custodes.
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May 2, 2018 22:14
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Also going RAW on fluff and theories is really dumb, almost as dumb as entering a frothy tribal chant over the source of said ideas.
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May 2, 2018 22:16
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TTerrible posted:A purple arm is a bit of a stretch. The fluff blurb sounds nothing like EC. I mean, you can see where people are coming from given the color scheme, the name, and the line about spectacle. It's deliberately ambiguous but makes for a fun little hook for people that would be interested in that sort of thing. They're just little hints for those that care and utterly ignorable for those of us that don't. There's stuff like that all throughout the fluff these days- see also the 55th Alphic Hyrdras etc. Edit: I clearly cannot keep up with the pace of shitposting in this thread recently Pendent fucked around with this message at 22:19 on May 2, 2018 |
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May 2, 2018 22:16
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Schadenboner posted:Look at this 'lil nublet who can't tell they're actually Custodes. Look at this guy who can't stop parroting jokes that have been dead for weeks. EDIT: The marines in question aren't even a big thing, they're one painter's custom chapter that were one of several in a WD article. They got a shoutout in the Thousand Sons book as getting captured for use in experiments and that's it. Hustlin Floh fucked around with this message at 22:19 on May 2, 2018 |
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May 2, 2018 22:17
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TTerrible posted:It doesn't say that though? It doesn't say anyything about beauty at all. You just made that up out of nothing. It says they're ritualistic and followed by holy men and women. That sounds like the word bearers if anything. Dam you got me, subsection 18 says impressive, not beautiful. Concept: abolished
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May 2, 2018 22:17
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Hustlin Floh posted:Look at this guy who can't stop parroting jokes that have been dead for weeks. That is not dead which can eternal lie.
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May 2, 2018 22:18
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Pendent posted:I mean, you can see where people are coming from given the color scheme, the name, and the line about spectacle. It's deliberately ambiguous but makes for a fun little hook for people that would be interested in that sort of thing. They're just little hints for people that care and utterly ignorable for those that don't. There's stuff like that all throughout the fluff these days- see also the 55th Alphic Hyrdras etc. Yeah I get that, but the Alphic Hydras was so incredibly in your face. There is literally nothing but "has a purple arm" in that picture that suggests EC. A purple arm. An arm. The original post that started this said that Bobby G Ok'd restarting traitor chapters with Primaris and that is the opposite of what happened. 
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May 2, 2018 22:19
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Neurolimal posted:Dam you got me, subsection 18 says impressive, not beautiful. Concept: abolished They're space marines. Literally everything they do is described as impressive and awe inspiring.
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May 2, 2018 22:20
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Hustlin Floh posted:EDIT: The marines in question aren't even a big thing, they're one painter's custom chapter that were one of several in a WD article. They got a shoutout in the Thousand Sons book as getting captured for use in experiments and that's it. So on top of the other stuff, they're currently being experimented on by chaos. TTerrible posted:They're space marines. Literally everything they do is described as impressive and awe inspiring. Well we have two options here: 1. That's not supposed to be notable, and so nothing in their blurb makes them significant in any way 2. It's mentioned because they do it betterer than other marines, to the extent that it's a noteworthy feature Step away from "beep boop concrete proof" for a second: which of those do you find more interesting, that they're new loyalist EC, or that they do nothing except Be Marines? God knows we have enough single sentence marine chapters that do nothing except "offer X primarch chapter armies a color scheme".
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May 2, 2018 22:24
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TTerrible posted:They're space marines. Literally everything they do is described as impressive and awe inspiring. And EC before they turned traitor simply strived for perfection in war, they weren't trying for a spectacle, weren't particularly ritualistic, weren't super loyal to the emperor or anything. That written fluff looks nothing like EC. If anything it would be word bearers.
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May 2, 2018 22:25
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TTerrible posted:Rogal Dorn didn't turn Traitor? Hustlin Floh posted:Noted traitor primarch Rogal Dorn They wear purple and gold, nail body parts to their armor, are so spectacular that they're followed by devoted human cultists, and are literally called Sons of the Phoenix. That is not in any way shape or form subtle. It's the opposite of subtle, it's very clearly saying "these are Emperor's Children" in a huge flashing neon sign TTerrible posted:There is literally nothing but "has a purple arm" in that picture that suggests EC. A purple arm. An arm. They're loving called The Sons of the Phoenix!
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May 2, 2018 22:26
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This may sounds like a dumb question but are the old style kind of tiny ork trucks still legal to use. I got a line on like 5 of them for like $20 and wondering if I should bite.
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May 2, 2018 22:28
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Haruharuharuko posted:This may sounds like a dumb question but are the old style kind of tiny ork trucks still legal to use. I got a line on like 5 of them for like $20 and wondering if I should bite. I mean, they're 100% legal but people might look askance. On the one hand: gently caress 'em, they're literally GW minitures but on the other hand: They really are pretty small? E: If nothing else you could make them into War Buggies/Trakks once those models get redone and bigified?
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May 2, 2018 22:29
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Haruharuharuko posted:This may sounds like a dumb question but are the old style kind of tiny ork trucks still legal to use. I got a line on like 5 of them for like $20 and wondering if I should bite. yeah but they're loving hideous
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May 2, 2018 22:29
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They are canonically whatever the person reading the blurb wants them to be and arguing it further than that is dumb. The entire purpose of those descriptions is to inspire somebody with a cool idea for painting a successor chapter and and is kept vague enough that it can mean whatever they want it to be. If you want them to be loyalist EC you can make a case for that. If you want them to be Imperial Fist successors with a unique bent that's supported by the text as well. This thread is so incredibly bad lately I don't even get excited when I see 100 new posts.
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May 2, 2018 22:29
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Neurolimal posted:Step away from "beep boop concrete proof" for a second: which of those do you find more interesting, that they're new loyalist EC, or that they do nothing except Be Marines? God knows we have enough single sentence marine chapters that do nothing except "offer X primarch chapter armies a color scheme". Yeah, that's all they are. They're a random one-off chapter featured in white dwarf because a studio painter did that color scheme at the time of the primaris release when they were all told to make a custom color scheme. They are not special, that is the extent of their fluff. Their fluff fits pretty closely to Black Templars, who are also sons of Dorn who are super faithful and ritualistic, who plunge themselves into battle, and who go on crusades spreading the imperial creed and are followed by holy men and women. The only difference is that these crusaders are maybe more impressive in spectacle and that they're white and purple instead of black and white.
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May 2, 2018 22:30
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More marines need to have candles though
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May 2, 2018 22:31
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Booley posted:Yeah, that's all they are. They're a random one-off chapter featured in white dwarf because a studio painter did that color scheme at the time of the primaris release when they were all told to make a custom color scheme. They are not special, that is the extent of their fluff. Their fluff fits pretty closely to Black Templars, who are also sons of Dorn who are super faithful and ritualistic, who plunge themselves into battle, and who go on crusades spreading the imperial creed and are followed by holy men and women. The only difference is that these crusaders are maybe more impressive in spectacle and that they're white and purple instead of black and white. You paint an incredible picture with your words, I am inspired.
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May 2, 2018 22:32
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I'm losing my mind here. They're called Sons of the Phoenix. The Phoenix was Fulgrim. They're Emperor's Children. If there was a chapter that wore dark blue and red and specialized in terror and nigh time operations and were called "The Haunters of the Night" would you guys be equally arguing that there's no reason to assume they were related to the Night Lords?
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May 2, 2018 22:33
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Neurolimal posted:Step away from "beep boop concrete proof" for a second: which of those do you find more interesting, that they're new loyalist EC, or that they do nothing except Be Marines? God knows we have enough single sentence marine chapters that do nothing except "offer X primarch chapter armies a color scheme". That's cool, but don't present it as A) established fact B) an obvious conclusion  It's headcanon that you find cool. Guy Goodbody posted:They wear purple and gold, nail body parts to their armor, are so spectacular that they're followed by devoted human cultists, and are literally called Sons of the Phoenix. That is not in any way shape or form subtle. It's the opposite of subtle, it's very clearly saying "these are Emperor's Children" in a huge flashing neon sign Things on that list that EC did: Wear purple and gold. Again, all marines are described as spectacular and the bestest at crusading forever and ever and inspiring devotion in human followers. It really isn't very noteworthy. Guy Goodbody posted:They're loving called The Sons of the Phoenix! I just don't think its in your face enough to be a hint from GW. The alphic hydras poo poo is hilariously OTT.again the original post that started this off said that Bobby G OK'd using the traitor geneseed and that is just wrong. You posted the Sons of the Phoenix image in support of that or something? Dark Imperium is really clear he told Cawl not to do it. I don't dispute that Cawl will eventually do it so GW can sell Chaos Primaris but it was not OK'd.
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May 2, 2018 22:37
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The Red Scorpions are almost certainly Emperor's Children successors and they don't wear purple and gold.
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May 2, 2018 22:41
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I wonder how many of you are getting avatars after this argument
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May 2, 2018 22:44
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TTerrible posted:Things on that list that EC did: You need to learn the fluff better if you're going to plant yourself so firmly on the issue. The Emperor's Children nailed body parts to their armor   Their are tons of references to human cultists going into battle with them, Fabius Bile: Primogenitor even has a once-human cultist who was such a great warrior she actually became a commander in an Emperor's Children warband. And also, the Emperor's Children were literally metaphorically the sons of the Phoenix.
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May 2, 2018 22:44
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Guy Goodbody posted:You need to learn the fluff better if you're going to plant yourself so firmly on the issue. The Emperor's Children nailed body parts to their armor You know who else attach parts of dead people to their armor? All the other space marines.
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May 2, 2018 22:46
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Hi I’d like to show my Primaris chapter painted in sea green and gold trim called Horus’ Sons. Anyway they’ve got nothing to do with the Sons of Horus and if you disagree you’re dumb as poo poo.
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May 2, 2018 22:47
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Booley posted:You know who else attach parts of dead people to their armor? All the other space marines. Gonna need some proof on that one
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May 2, 2018 22:47
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panascope posted:Hi I’d like to show my Primaris chapter painted in sea green and gold trim called Horus’ Sons. Anyway they’ve got nothing to do with the Sons of Horus and if you disagree you’re dumb as poo poo. You know who else uses gold and green? Multiple other chapters. And many chapters use vehicles and squads named after birds, do you think they're chimeric Horus and Night Lords? Begone, channer.
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May 2, 2018 22:50
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