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JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

Vanagoon posted:

I want to see someone put a borked HDD in a plastic bag (keeps the condensation at bay when you warm it again), in the freezer, and get some loooooooooooong cables to attach it while it's still in the freezer. Wonder if this would help retrieve some bits.

I did exactly that when my son’s hard drive took a poo poo, put it in the freezer hooked to a USB adaptor and got everything off of it he needed, like 200gb of stuff. I figured that might work because it seemed to be a controller issue rather than a physical drive issue, and it did.

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Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Those Madcatz Dreamcast controllers are surprisingly good

I don't know who you're trying to fool but that's a drat lie.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Some goon looking guy found an American 64DD in Seattle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b64Bx0WKh7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe-fs1COgr0

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Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

That was some really interesting stuff (to me at least). It got me nostalgic and I started watching a few speedruns of old games I had back when I was a kid. Currently watching some guy smash Sonic the Hedgehog 2 in under 15 minutes, a game under 10 year old me couldn't do no matter how long I spent on it.

It also got me looking at consoles of that era and I'm now grouchy at my parents some 20+ years after the fact for getting a Sega Megadrive 2 instead of a SNES. :D The SNES just had so many freaking iconic games and the Megadrive was just such a distant second. (The did me a solid and got the original Playstation with a mod chip and my dad was good at getting ripped games of the internet in the 90s, which was a pretty big deal with crappy dial up internet).


That said, I still have to wonder how things would have been for me if I'd gotten hooked on Mario Kart, the old Zelda games, Metroid, Castlevania, Chronotrigger etc instead of getting bored with the MegaDrive pretty quickly before I got the Playstation and games like Tekken 2 and 3 and Final Fantasy 8 took over my life.

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Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Carth Dookie posted:

That was some really interesting stuff (to me at least). It got me nostalgic and I started watching a few speedruns of old games I had back when I was a kid. Currently watching some guy smash Sonic the Hedgehog 2 in under 15 minutes, a game under 10 year old me couldn't do no matter how long I spent on it.

It also got me looking at consoles of that era and I'm now grouchy at my parents some 20+ years after the fact for getting a Sega Megadrive 2 instead of a SNES. :D The SNES just had so many freaking iconic games and the Megadrive was just such a distant second. (The did me a solid and got the original Playstation with a mod chip and my dad was good at getting ripped games of the internet in the 90s, which was a pretty big deal with crappy dial up internet).


That said, I still have to wonder how things would have been for me if I'd gotten hooked on Mario Kart, the old Zelda games, Metroid, Castlevania, Chronotrigger etc instead of getting bored with the MegaDrive pretty quickly before I got the Playstation and games like Tekken 2 and 3 and Final Fantasy 8 took over my life.

Yeah, the Genesis/Megadrive was pretty bad for anything not beat 'em ups, shooters, or sports games. Most well known exclusive was Sonic, which was good, but not worth buying the console.

Most games (with a few exceptions, Mortal Kombat being a notable one), which were released on both platforms were much better on SNES, and Nintendo not being ran by functional retards helped.

Edit for your edit: You'd be really entertained with the objectively better console, then be extremely disappointed with the N64 still using cartridges and having like 10 good games.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

I think the optimum route to have taken would have been SNES, Playstation, PS2, maybe Xbox, Xbox360/PS3 depending on what exclusives you favored and then just go back to PC once PC vs platform stopped really being a thing and Steam made everything irrelevant and PC architecture became way more streamlined and less hassle, thus killing the console advantages while still maintaining the PC advantages. Maybe get the original Wii hype train as an aside and grab the few Gamecube must haves and Wii novelties since the early Wii was backwards compatible. Then a 3DS to pick off all the N64 classics. Arguably handhelds like the Gameboy, Advance SP and New 3DS would get their own category.


Having said that, some of my best memories in childhood were at a friends place doing a sleepover and playing 4 player Goldeneye, super smash brothers and F-Zero X. I was actually super jealous of N64 havers at the time because of "greener grass" syndrome, the funky controller looking really exotic while the cartridge was familiar and comforting. Plus 4 controller ports as standard! No having to buy (or RENT. Remember renting peripherals from video shops?) a Playstation multitap for sleepovers so 4 people could play crash team racing or NHL 2001 (ERIC Desjardins takes the puck!). Remember that this was at peak Pokemon age, so things like Colusseum and Snap were big, loving, deals back in the day. Like, fights in the playground big.

I still remember F-Zero X because there were 5 of us, and only 4 controllers so the guy who placed last would have to swap out to give the other guy a turn. I didn't win often, but I picked a tanky speeder that was very hard to kill and thus I almost never came last. Eventually the other guys figured out what I was doing but not before I'd spent half the night playing while they'd all had to take turns. Ahhhh nostalgia. :allears:

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Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I missed the Pokemon thing, we were arguing about Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat in middle and the first years of high school.

Also, while I never rented a peripheral, I do remember renting VCRs.

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Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Randaconda posted:

I missed the Ppkemon thing, we were arguing about Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat in middle and the first years of high school.

Also, while I never rented a peripheral, I do remember renting VCRs.


Ah that'd be it then. I was a little younger at the time the Playstation 1 and N64 were released, so younger me would have appreciated the N64, but as time went by and I got older, the Playstation was a better fit.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
PSX came out in 95, right? (In North America)

Yeah, I was 16, just about the right age for it, especially since the N64 looked(to me, then) even more kiddified than the SNES was, but without the SNES's amazing library.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Randaconda posted:

Yeah, the Genesis/Megadrive was pretty bad for anything not beat 'em ups, shooters, or sports games. Most well known exclusive was Sonic, which was good, but not worth buying the console.

Most games (with a few exceptions, Mortal Kombat being a notable one), which were released on both platforms were much better on SNES, and Nintendo not being ran by functional retards helped.

Edit for your edit: You'd be really entertained with the objectively better console, then be extremely disappointed with the N64 still using cartridges and having like 10 good games.

My mom, the eternal cheapskate, got us a 32X on clearance for Christmas once. The big problem with that is that we permanently had a grand total of 3 games for it, Virtua Fighter, Doom, and Star Wars Arcade. Star Wars was pretty fun.


Randaconda posted:

I missed the Ppkemon thing, we were arguing about Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat in middle and the first years of high school.

:yossame:

I remember when Mortal Kombat 2 came out and I found a printout of all the combos and finishers in the middle school library. It really didn't help me much the next month when I got parked in the arcade at the Circus Circus casino for a week. Turns out that there were turbo nerds who do nothing but play video games forever even back in 1994.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Iron Crowned posted:


I remember when Mortal Kombat 2 came out and I found a printout of all the combos and finishers in the middle school library. It really didn't help me much the next month when I got parked in the arcade at the Circus Circus casino for a week. Turns out that there were turbo nerds who do nothing but play video games forever even back in 1994.

First time I played MKII was at Six Flags in Atlanta, and even there, some nerds already had way too much practice at it.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Thanks.

I love the idea that there are little hidden bits of history floating around, unknown and occasionally someone finds them.

Lost stuff fascinates me

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

spog posted:

Thanks.

I love the idea that there are little hidden bits of history floating around, unknown and occasionally someone finds them.

Lost stuff fascinates me

I've always like learning about failed/obscure consoles and console add-ons.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Chairman Mao posted:

I don't know who you're trying to fool but that's a drat lie.

Maybe I should qualify?

The stick is good

The dpad is bad

The buttons and triggers are ok.

So if you want a better stick and don’t care about the dpad, they’re good.

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




Except nobody cared about the stick and everybody wanted a better dpad since the only thing the dreamcast was good for was arcade fighters

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
The worst part about it is that the design is actually an improvement on the actual Dreamcast controller in just about every way (except that ridiculous loving dpad) but the shoddy build quality completely ruins it. Those things literally fall apart after any amount of real use.

Maybe the qc is just really bad and you ended up with a good one, because I can't imagine why anyone would intentionally tell such a blatant and specific lie about an 18 year old controller.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




RandomFerret posted:

Except nobody cared about the stick and everybody wanted a better dpad since the only thing the dreamcast was good for was arcade fighters

Well this is just wrong.

I can’t speak to QA but the two I have are fine.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

i had a set of dreamcast madcatz pedals and a wheel that lasted exactly 3 minutes (crazy taxi)

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


spog posted:

Thanks.

I love the idea that there are little hidden bits of history floating around, unknown and occasionally someone finds them.

Lost stuff fascinates me

Metal Jesus used to be a game dev or something too for one of the bigger companies and talks about it sometimes

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Nerd breaking down that Nintendo-Playstation prototype that was found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-CyGXMabg

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Randaconda posted:

Nerd breaking down that Nintendo-Playstation prototype that was found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-CyGXMabg


That guy pulling it apart and explaining what all the circuitboards and chips do takes a lot of the abstract of computing out of the "magic pixies in a box" and puts it into electrical/mechanical context I can more easily understand and I AM SO HARD RIGHT NOW. :fap:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Carth Dookie posted:

"magic pixies in a box"

For some reason the video of 'singer' Bjork explaing circuits in a TV like it's a city and poking at it (should be in OSHA thread):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75WFTHpOw8Y&t=66s

:catdrugs:

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Humphreys posted:

For some reason the video of 'singer' Bjork explaing circuits in a TV like it's a city and poking at it (should be in OSHA thread):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75WFTHpOw8Y&t=66s

:catdrugs:

In this case, the Magic Pixie is outside of the box.

She's not on drugs, she's just some kind of weird Icelandic elf. I can't stand her music, but her all-in approach to being 24/7 weird all the time is cool.

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Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bjork owns.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Her music is unlistenable garbage, but I have nothing against her personally.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

barbecue at the folks posted:

I just found out about Minitel and I find this stuff just so dang fascinating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOhK9bgQo8g

In Finland we got one way Teletext but having an interactive system like this in an average home in the 1980s must've been pretty amazing.
In Sweden we looked jealously at Minitel and decided to make our own copy in the early 90s. I made an effortpost about it in the Obsolete Tech thread way back:

Collateral Damage posted:

Here's a historical oddity. It's a Swedish TeleGuide terminal from 1992. It was developed between 1990 and 1992 by the swedish state phone company Televerket in cooperation with IBM and Esselte. Inspired by the french Minitel system, it allowed people in the pre-internet days to connect to online services to buy tickets, read news, list stock values and so on. There were also rudimentary "hot line" chat rooms.



The terminal was rented at about $10-15 per month, and connecting to the service incurred the normal per-minute phone charge (Sweden never had flat rate landline telephony like the US). Many services also charged additional fees. To access online services you used a smartcard that you put in the slot to the right, which meant that you could use any terminal and paid services would still be charged to you.

The actual hardware consisted of a 9 inch monochrome terminal with a built in 2400 bps modem. When not connected to online services you could use it a regular phone and it had a very basic phone book. You could also connect a printer.

Unlike Minitel which was alive from 1982 until 2012, TeleGuide was a total flop and the whole system was shitcanned just 6 months after launch. While almost 15000 terminals had been distributed, the amount of regular users was miniscule, largely due to the high cost and limited selection of services.

Televerket realized that they were actually losing money on each user, and tried to renegotiate the agreement with IBM and Esselte. When they refused, Televerket pulled the plug on the whole thing. Users were told they could keep the terminals, but of course with the online services taken down it was just a big, ugly telephone.

My father worked at Televerket at the time and got to borrow a terminal for free. We used it a few times to ooh and aah over, then never touched it again. Unless my parents have thrown it out it's still collecting dust in their basement.

(Picture stolen from http://phantom.sannata.ru/museum/teleguide.shtml which has a bunch of more pictures and a long text about it, although it's all in russian.)

My parents still have the old terminal. I tried donating it to the Museum of Failure but unsurprisingly they already had one.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Randaconda posted:

Her music is unlistenable garbage, but I have nothing against her personally.

I really like the Eumir Deodato mix of "Isobel" but I also have an Ö-key so I can actually write her name unlike you baboons.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Jerry Cotton posted:

I really like the Eumir Deodato mix of "Isobel" but I also have an Ö-key so I can actually write her name unlike you baboons.

B j <long press on "o" then swipe up to ö> r k

B j C-x 8 " o r k (at least I think so, I don't have access to Emacs right now)

I'll be fine with my normal keyboard thanks, at least when I'm not coding in APL.

I don't really know APL

Seriously though what keys from a US keyboard are you missing or do you actually have more keys?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Buttcoin purse posted:

B j <long press on "o" then swipe up to ö> r k

B j C-x 8 " o r k (at least I think so, I don't have access to Emacs right now)

I'll be fine with my normal keyboard thanks, at least when I'm not coding in APL.

I don't really know APL

Seriously though what keys from a US keyboard are you missing or do you actually have more keys?

I think it's the same amount but better. Like the Enter key on US keyboards I've seen is loving tiny what's up with that you SI-hating gun-toting minority-jailing pizza-ruining sick fucks?

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


We have all the keys you have and lots more, it's exactly like liberty or socialized medicine.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Jerry Cotton posted:

I think it's the same amount but better. Like the Enter key on US keyboards I've seen is loving tiny what's up with that you SI-hating gun-toting minority-jailing pizza-ruining sick fucks?

We're not constantly drunk on kilju so we can hit a smaller enter key.

I do wish US keyboards had a dedicated Compose key like Sun keyboard did. Plan 9 used the Alt key as Compose, but that got annoying if you were connecting to another OS.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

When I was learning Swedish I used the Swedish layout on a standard US keyboard. It worked most of the time but I didn't have access to some characters because they require an AltGr key. There were only a few though, like square brackets IIRC.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Mak0rz posted:

When I was learning Swedish

Haritsoppa.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬


I wasn't immersed enough to be familiar with memes.

no broccoli please
Apr 20, 2007

no broccoli please you are nice here is a Nathaniel Hawthorne avatar

Jerry Cotton posted:

I really like the Eumir Deodato mix of "Isobel" but I also have an Ö-key so I can actually write her name unlike you baboons.

Öh snap.

F4rt5
May 20, 2006

Buttcoin purse posted:

B j <long press on "o" then swipe up to ö> r k

B j C-x 8 " o r k (at least I think so, I don't have access to Emacs right now)

I'll be fine with my normal keyboard thanks, at least when I'm not coding in APL.

I don't really know APL

Seriously though what keys from a US keyboard are you missing or do you actually have more keys?

We have one more key, it's where the right half of your left shift would be, and a big-rear end enter key.

Some keyboard enthusiasts over here in Scandinavia use an ANSI (US) layout instead of ISO (European) because in addition to the small left shift we also have the {, }, [, and ] keys on AltGr + 7, 0, 8 and 9 respectively. The <> is next to the small left shift. For coding, having them where our æøå cluster is, near the enter key like in an ANSI layout, is more efficient. Seriously, take a look at this Norwegian crap:

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Mak0rz posted:

When I was learning Swedish I used the Swedish layout on a standard US keyboard. It worked most of the time but I didn't have access to some characters because they require an AltGr key. There were only a few though, like square brackets IIRC.
I don't think I've ever needed an AltGr key but it seems like I should be able to just call my right Alt key an AltGr key.

JazzmasterCurious posted:

We have one more key, it's where the right half of your left shift would be, and a big-rear end enter key.

I feel like I might have had keyboards in the past that had the big enter key, despite not having AltGr, e.g. this is apparently an 84-key AT clone keyboard:



Not sure if I ever had any 101 or 104-key keyboards with the big enter key but I'm almost certain I've never had an AltGr. I guess this means us US keyboard users might still be able to get our hands on the large enter key. If not, there's always this fallback option:

I assume given the USB cord that these things do function as an input device :shrug:

quote:


Oh that would suck for coding. It reminds me of a Commodore 64 or something.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

JazzmasterCurious posted:

We have one more key, it's where the right half of your left shift would be, and a big-rear end enter key.


I'd hate having a small left shift key, esp. since I find myself never using the right shift (or alt, control, windows) key.

Even worse are the small-backspace keyboards.

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Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


I have both types of keyboard, and the small left shift key is not even noticeable.

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