Sagebrush posted:

later that year I got a Christmas card from the DMV.

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

the pro strat for the california dmv is to make an appointment

then you can just roll right in and out again. when i changed my name getting a new license took about half an hour from when i parked until i was back in the car

Schadenboner posted:

Pff, look at this rear end in a top hat giving his driver a day off.

That's how it starts, you know: give them a day off and they start to think they're somehow your equals, and then all of a sudden we're all wearing overalls and calling each-other "comrade" or "brother".

Count me out, make mine freedom.

Luigi Thirty posted:

I first became aware of llvm during a compiler course at university. I
wanted to write a toy scheme frontend to a real compiler. To my shame
I missed that llvm had a mem2reg pass and selected gcc to avoid having
to compute ssa form myself.

After contributing a few patches to gcc it was clear that the frontend
interface needed some cleanup. At the time llvm was being considered
as a potential new gcc architecture and the idea of a well defined IR
with a textual representation was a revolution.

On my first job (indt) we were using arm cpus and I was able to sell
the idea of starting an llvm backend for arm. My first commit was on
May 14, 2006. I am incredibly grateful to both indt and the llvm
developers for trusting and helping such an inexperienced and unknown
developer with such a large task.

It is only in May 2007 in the dev meeting that I got to meet the other
developers in person. It was an incredibly fun event and people were
as friendly in person as on the list.

In the next few years I was working at google. First as an sre and
then a compiler developer on gcc. During that time I kept llvm as my
20% project as much as possible. Working on it was always a refreshing
experience. It was far easier to change and far less political than gcc
at the time.

My opportunity to be back full time on llvm came with portable native
client (pnacl). They needed to be able to emit elf objects from llvm ir
and so I went to work on elf support for mc.

Unfortunately another job change (mozilla) made llvm a side project
again after that. I still managed to contribute to llvm/clang as I
helped mozilla transition away from gcc 4.2 on OS X.

It is only about 5 years ago that I started working on llvm full time
again. The big item this time was elf support in lld. I was really
excited when Rui posted a new design for a coff linker and did my best
to find a corresponding design for elf.

Unfortunately the last few years haven't been the same. On the
technical side llvm now feels far bigger and slower to change. There
are many incomplete transitions. That, by itself, would not be
sufficient reason to leave. llvm still seems better than the
competition and lld itself is still awesome.

The reason for me leaving are the changes in the community. The
current license change discussions unfortunately bring to memory the
fsf politics when I was working on gcc. That would still not be
sufficient reason to leave. As with the code, llvm will still have the
best license and if the only community change was the handling of the
license change I would probably keep going.

The community change I cannot take is how the social injustice
movement has permeated it. When I joined llvm no one asked or cared
about my religion or political view. We all seemed committed to just
writing a good compiler framework.

Somewhat recently a code of conduct was adopted. It says that the
community tries to welcome people of all "political belief". Except
those whose political belief mean that they don't agree with the code
of conduct. Since agreement is required to take part in the
conferences, I am no longer able to attend.

The last drop was llvm associating itself with an organization that
openly discriminates based on sex and ancestry (1,2). This goes
directly against my ethical views and I think I must leave the project
to not be associated with this.

So long, and thanks for all the bugs,
Rafael

[1] http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2018-February/121161.html
[2] https://www.outreachy.org/apply/eligibility/

ate all the Oreos posted:

that's the thing that's always got me about the DMV, most of the stereotypes of it being a place with long lines and indifferent, mean employees seem to be completely false, it seems to be a pretty streamlined experience with helpful employees (one lady even showed me one weird trick to save a bunch of money)

except lotsa people are dumb and can't follow simple instructions and quite a few of them think that getting mad at employees and demanding to see managers solves all problems, so if you're that kind of person yeah i can see how it can be a frustrating experience involving several trips and rude employees

Luigi Thirty posted:

I first became aware of llvm during a compiler course at university. I
wanted to write a toy scheme frontend to a real compiler. To my shame
I missed that llvm had a mem2reg pass and selected gcc to avoid having
to compute ssa form myself.

After contributing a few patches to gcc it was clear that the frontend
interface needed some cleanup. At the time llvm was being considered
as a potential new gcc architecture and the idea of a well defined IR
with a textual representation was a revolution.

On my first job (indt) we were using arm cpus and I was able to sell
the idea of starting an llvm backend for arm. My first commit was on
May 14, 2006. I am incredibly grateful to both indt and the llvm
developers for trusting and helping such an inexperienced and unknown
developer with such a large task.

It is only in May 2007 in the dev meeting that I got to meet the other
developers in person. It was an incredibly fun event and people were
as friendly in person as on the list.

In the next few years I was working at google. First as an sre and
then a compiler developer on gcc. During that time I kept llvm as my
20% project as much as possible. Working on it was always a refreshing
experience. It was far easier to change and far less political than gcc
at the time.

My opportunity to be back full time on llvm came with portable native
client (pnacl). They needed to be able to emit elf objects from llvm ir
and so I went to work on elf support for mc.

Unfortunately another job change (mozilla) made llvm a side project
again after that. I still managed to contribute to llvm/clang as I
helped mozilla transition away from gcc 4.2 on OS X.

It is only about 5 years ago that I started working on llvm full time
again. The big item this time was elf support in lld. I was really
excited when Rui posted a new design for a coff linker and did my best
to find a corresponding design for elf.

Unfortunately the last few years haven't been the same. On the
technical side llvm now feels far bigger and slower to change. There
are many incomplete transitions. That, by itself, would not be
sufficient reason to leave. llvm still seems better than the
competition and lld itself is still awesome.

The reason for me leaving are the changes in the community. The
current license change discussions unfortunately bring to memory the
fsf politics when I was working on gcc. That would still not be
sufficient reason to leave. As with the code, llvm will still have the
best license and if the only community change was the handling of the
license change I would probably keep going.

The community change I cannot take is how the social injustice
movement has permeated it. When I joined llvm no one asked or cared
about my religion or political view. We all seemed committed to just
writing a good compiler framework.

Somewhat recently a code of conduct was adopted. It says that the
community tries to welcome people of all "political belief". Except
those whose political belief mean that they don't agree with the code
of conduct. Since agreement is required to take part in the
conferences, I am no longer able to attend.

The last drop was llvm associating itself with an organization that
openly discriminates based on sex and ancestry (1,2). This goes
directly against my ethical views and I think I must leave the project
to not be associated with this.

So long, and thanks for all the bugs,
Rafael

[1] http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2018-February/121161.html
[2] https://www.outreachy.org/apply/eligibility/

fishmech posted:

You're forgetting that many areas permanently understaff and underfund the dmv, especially in areas poor people might live

fishmech posted:

You're forgetting that many areas permanently understaff and underfund the dmv, especially in areas poor people might live

FMguru posted:

thats hella pro tier (and ca dmv is really good about making it possible to do as much as possible online or by appointment) but sometimes you need something taken care of right now and the next appointment is two weeks away and you just have to dehumanize yourself and face to waiting in line for two hours

ate all the Oreos posted:

the only dmv around where I grew up that could do driving tests was in a very poor neighborhood, in Florida no less. it was understaffed and not as fancy, took a bit longer to get through the process, but still nowhere near as bad as a lot of people make it out to be

Schadenboner posted:

That really has more to do with preventing them from getting IDs to vote though?

Sagebrush posted:

Lol two weeks or two hours

Around San Francisco all of the appointments are minimum one month away, usually more like 6 weeks, and they'll have like three open at 2 p.m. on a Tuesday or something

If you don't have an appointment, well, I've waited six and a half hours before

quote:

My new pro strategy is to not make an appointment, but ride my motorcycle up to Novato (farm town) at 6am and be one of the first 10 people in line when the doors open at 8. Usually that's good for less than an hour in and out

fishmech posted:

There's like areas of other red states with single dmvs for like an area the size of Delaware or other poo poo like that


They invented voter id laws because they'd already been making it difficult for the poor and minorities to get proper id for decades prior dude

fishmech posted:

There's like areas of other red states with single dmvs for like an area the size of Delaware or other poo poo like that

fishmech posted:

They invented voter id laws because they'd already been making it difficult for the poor and minorities to get proper id for decades prior dude

quote:

1. Primary Identification

An original or certified copy of one of the following documents:

U.S. birth certificate, including some U.S. territories and District of Columbia (birth certificates from Puerto Rico must have an issue date after July 1, 2010);
Valid U.S. passport or passport card;
Consular Report of Birth Abroad;
Certificate of Naturalization, form N-550 or form N-570; or
Certificate of Citizenship, form N-560 or form N-561.

NOTES
Only a birth certificate issued by a county health department or the CDC Bureau of Vital Statistics will be accepted. Hospital birth certificates are not considered a certified document and will not be accepted.

2. Proof of Social Security

An original of one of the following documents with complete name and SSN:

Social Security card (with the customer’s current name);
W-2 form (not handwritten);
Pay check/stub;
SSA-1099; or
Any 1099 (not handwritten).
For customers without an SSN, please click here.

3. Proof of Residential Address

Customers may not use their current driver license or ID card as proof of residential address. Customers must submit TWO different documents with their residential address (printouts or faxes of these documents are acceptable). Residential address documents include, but are not limited to:

Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, mortgage payment booklet or residential rental/lease agreement;
Florida voter registration card;
Florida vehicle registration or title (print a duplicate registration at https://www.gorenew.com);
Utility bill;
A utility hook up or work order dated within 60 days prior to the application;
Automobile payment booklet;
Selective service card;
Medical or health card with address listed;
Current homeowner insurance policy or bill;
Current automobile insurance policy or bill;
Educational institution transcript forms for the current school year;
Unexpired professional license issued by a government agency in the U.S.;
W-2 form or 1099 form;
Form DS2019, Certificate of Eligibility for Exchange Visitor (J-1) status;
A letter from a homeless shelter, transitional service provider or a half-way house verifying they receive mail for the customer. The letter must be accompanied by a Certification of Address form;
Mail from financial institutions including checking, savings or investment account statements;
Mail from federal, state, county or city government agencies; or
FDLE registration form completed by local sheriff’s department.

ate all the Oreos posted:

yeah to be clear I agree with you, i'm just saying that even with all the limitations they do the best they can and i think people poo poo on them unfairly i guess


yeah totally, long before voter ID was even being discussed, florida adopted standards for new ID issuance that basically makes it impossible to get one in a lot of cases. here's what you need to bring to get a photo ID:


if you were missing any of this, or (more likely) you brought one that didn't quite count, or you thought you only needed to bring one proof of address rather than two different ones, too bad you waited in line for nothing, go home and try again next time!

ADINSX posted:

I was recently in the Seattle DMV to get a new title printed for my motorcycle (I had the temp one from the lender after I paid it off), as well as some new tags.

Apparently they changed the abbreviation for moto guzzi in the system, so I had to stand with the clerk for about 40 minutes while she called olympia, asked me several times for the spelling, etc.

It was annoying but otoh I realize I'm king shithead in my college prep teeshirt and my obscure italian motorcycle with this huge line behind me and a woman at the end of her shift probably wishing I would just disappear.

ate all the Oreos posted:

if you were missing any of this, or (more likely) you brought one that didn't quite count, or you thought you only needed to bring one proof of address rather than two different ones, too bad you waited in line for nothing, go home and try again next time!

President Beep posted:

on the other hand, motos guzzi are cool.

ate all the Oreos posted:

i never looked at the rest of the lyrics to that dolly parton song until now, it's basically a fuckin' socialist rabble-rouser / union rally song lmao

President Beep posted:

on the other hand, motos guzzi are cool.

President Beep posted:

agreed, op

Mr. Nice! posted:

in florida's defense, this was in response to the real id act and they were technically following the federal guidelines to the letter. the new florida ids and drivers licenses, however, are one and done. once you have one that's real id compliant, you no longer will ever need to bring in all the pile of paperwork again to renew/replace.

also depending on circumstances, they will work with you. granted the majority of the flexibility i've ever found was with the mobile dmv bus that they'd bring to the annual homeless/at-risk veteran standdown.

Wheany posted:

oh no no no, you probably don't want to agree with this particular wall of text

syscall girl posted:

blox starz

President Beep posted:

Uptime Sinclair posted:

I've always found this to be useful for any wall of text



use in good health beep

ate all the Oreos posted:

yeah except florida eagerly jumped on the real ID train very early, it was one of the first states to do so iirc, that's always seemed a bit, idk, suspicious to me.

e: and they might make exceptions now but when this was first rolled out i definitely remember they made a HUGE deal about how there would never be any exceptions ever because terrorisms or something, it was all very dumb

Mr. Nice! posted:

in florida's defense

President Beep posted:

it really is good. no implication of agreement or disagreement.

Wheany posted:

i like the classic "tl;dr" and "didn't read lol"

Mr. Nice! posted:

in florida's defense, this was in response to the real id act and they were technically following the federal guidelines to the letter. the new florida ids and drivers licenses, however, are one and done. once you have one that's real id compliant, you no longer will ever need to bring in all the pile of paperwork again to renew/replace.

also depending on circumstances, they will work with you. granted the majority of the flexibility i've ever found was with the mobile dmv bus that they'd bring to the annual homeless/at-risk veteran standdown.

Cat Face Joe posted:

florida is indefensible at all times

Sagebrush posted:

I don't know. I just got a Real ID (tm) in California and I only had to bring one thing proving my address, and bank statements or credit card statements were acceptable, and that's a document a hell of a lot more poor people will have than an insurance policy document or a loving property deed

Mr. Nice! posted:

nah if you're at a dmv or tax collector they rarely will ever make exceptions. i've had to turn around and come back multiple times in the past, myself.

Mr. Nice! posted:

the only time i've seen them make exceptions was specifically in the (seriously just had to look up the name florida license on wheels) FLOW bus when working with our legal team to get veterans their licenses back.

Mr. Nice! posted:

they take absolutely any mail with your name and the address on it in florida, a residential lease, a utility bill, etc