Auspol May: it's a Bloody Budget Bonanza!

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Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Libertarians are just right wing assholes who want to do something that's currently illegal.

That's basically the sole difference these days.

# ? May 3, 2018 14:50

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# ? May 29, 2024 08:47

Brown Paper Bag: Nov 3, 2012

https://twitter.com/joshbutler/status/991789468582666240?s=21

# ? May 3, 2018 15:19

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/triple-zero-outages-nsw-victoria-western-australia-cable-cut/9725860

Triple-0 outages in Victoria, NSW and WA.

Someone forgot to call "Dial before you Dig"

# ? May 3, 2018 22:26

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

New Daily surveyed MPs about whether they could live on Newstart or had ever lived on benefits:

quote:

Turnbull government MPs have refused to say whether they could live on $40 a day � about the current rate of Newstart � as the nation debates the current rate of welfare payments ahead of next week�s budget.

Liberal MP Julia Banks was accused of being out of touch after she claimed she could on live on $40 a day �knowing that the government is supporting me � looking for employment�.

On Thursday, as the Business Council of Australia (BCA) rejected Ms Banks� claim by arguing the payment should be increased, The New Daily surveyed all lower house MPs on the current rate of Newstart.

Politicians were asked whether they believed they could live on $40 a day, whether the $590.40 per week (or $42 per day) payment should be increased, and if they had ever relied on unemployment benefits to live.

Of the 150 lower house MPs, only 22 MPs responded, including three crossbench MPs and 19 from Labor. None of the 76 Coalition MPs responded.

All MPs who responded said they could not live on $40 a day and all argued the payment should be increased.

Some Opposition MPs did not answer whether they had ever lived on Newstart and a few replied with identical responses.

Opposition shadow ministers and backbenchers pointed to the need for a �root and branch� review of all welfare payments first, which Opposition Leader Bill Shorten announced on Wednesday.

Labor MP Anne Aly, who backed an increase, said she found herself on the single parenting payment after a violent marriage and had �raised two young children on $400 a fortnight�.

�It was very difficult to make ends meet and there is nothing more heartbreaking than knowing that you cannot provide for your children and nothing more humiliating than having to halve your shopping at the counter because you can�t afford it,� she told The New Daily.

Greens MP Adam Bandt, who wants the payment increased by $70 a week, said he lived on the dole for about a year after finishing his law degree and moving to Melbourne.

�It helped me survive and make ends meet, but that was almost 20 years ago when the government was still treating unemployed people like human beings,� he told The New Daily.

Mr Bandt said he tried to live on Newstart for a week in 2013 after Labor�s then Families Minister Jenny Macklin said she could live on $35 a day.

�By the end of the week I was $80 in debt,� he said.

Ms Macklin said on Thursday: �No, I don�t believe that I could live on $40 a day.�

Tasmanian Labor MP Ross Hart said he thought it was �demeaning� to debate �whether any of us could live on Newstart at the current rate of $40 per day�.

�The fact is, those currently on the Newstart allowance have no choice as to whether they could live on the allowance,� he said.

The anecdotal evidence was that most do not manage on the allowance, he said.

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie said politicians who claimed they could live on Newstart were �conveniently ignoring the fact that they�ve already paid their mortgage and private health insurance�.

Rebekha Sharkie of the Centre Alliance � formerly Nick Xenophon Team � backed an inquiry into Newstart.

Ms Banks, the Member for Chisholm in Melbourne�s eastern suburbs, has six properties in an investment portfolio shared with her husband and brother, her register of interests shows.

Asked on Thursday if he could live on $40 a day, Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said only that the payment was about �getting back to work as soon as possible�.

�Many people move on and off Newstart as a transitional measure. Many people on Newstart also receive income from other sources,� he said.

�The proposition that somehow Newstart allowance should be an ongoing income on an ongoing basis, that is not right.�

BCA chief executive Jennifer Westacott on Thursday joined calls from welfare groups and prominent Deloitte economist Chris Richardson for the payment to be increased.

�You cannot live on $39 a day,� Ms Westacott told ABC radio.

The budget will be handed down by Treasurer Scott Morrison on Thursday.

Well it looks like we can be sure of one thing all Liberals can agree on.

# ? May 3, 2018 22:46

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

In an ideal world the dole would be reset to a percentage of the current average full time wage every year.
Of course politicians hate automatic things like that because they like to have the freedom to stomp poor people to bolster the budget so it'll never happen.

# ? May 3, 2018 23:05

Granite Octopus: Jun 24, 2008

And, of course, to state with great fanfare their magnanimous and glorious increase ^{of 0.05% ^{(not indexed)}}

# ? May 3, 2018 23:39

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

norp posted:

In an ideal world the dole would be reset to a percentage of the current average full time wage every year.
Of course politicians hate automatic things like that because they like to have the freedom to stomp poor people to bolster the budget so it'll never happen.

IMO it should, at the very least, be at the poverty line. That would almost double the single newstart rate.

# ? May 4, 2018 00:00

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

The Before Times posted:

IMO it should, at the very least, be at the poverty line. That would almost double the single newstart rate.

But if nobody is poor then everyone is :confused:

# ? May 4, 2018 00:02

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Solemn Sloth posted:

But if nobody is poor then everyone is

The system needs a bunch of poor people to act as a deterrent so nobody wants to be poor!!

# ? May 4, 2018 00:12

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

Punitively designed welfare is so insane

# ? May 4, 2018 00:26

Dude McAwesome: Sep 30, 2004; Still better than a Ponytar

ewe2 posted:

New Daily surveyed MPs about whether they could live on Newstart or had ever lived on benefits:

Well it looks like we can be sure of one thing all Liberals can agree on.

BCA are loving inconsistent as hell. �Pay workers less�, �increase social services payments�.

So they want to pay poor people less, but they also want poor people to have more money (that will be spent in their industries). Clowns. Maybe if they lobbied their own members to increase wages people would be spending more.

# ? May 4, 2018 00:58

aejix: Sep 18, 2007; It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim; Pillbug

Thats not inconsistent from the BCAs perspective at all - they want people to have more money to buy their members stuff, but dont want their members to pay higher wages, so of course the government should step in and give people the money to spend. So more public money ends up in the coffers of their members - easy

Morally reprehensible? Sure.
Inconsistent - no way. Its just more wealth transfer

aejix fucked around with this message at 01:02 on May 4, 2018

# ? May 4, 2018 01:00

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Dude McAwesome posted:

BCA are loving inconsistent as hell. �Pay workers less�, �increase social services payments�.

So they want to pay poor people less, but they also want poor people to have more money (that will be spent in their industries). Clowns. Maybe if they lobbied their own members to increase wages people would be spending more.

this is entirely consistent though? lower wages but more welfare mean businesses get to spend less on employees but consumers still have money to buy goods. it�s self serving horseshit but there�s nothing contradictory to it.

efb

# ? May 4, 2018 01:02

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

OPORTO, Red Rooster and Chicken Treat shops across Australia are on the verge of closing their doors due to the parent company’s unfair business practices, it has been claimed.

Oporto no!

# ? May 4, 2018 01:33

AbortRetryFail: Jan 17, 2007; No more Mr. Nice Gaius

Good. See you in hell, chicken peddlers

# ? May 4, 2018 01:35

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

You Am I posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/triple-zero-outages-nsw-victoria-western-australia-cable-cut/9725860

Triple-0 outages in Victoria, NSW and WA.

Someone forgot to call "Dial before you Dig"

Thor is negligent like that. It was a lightning strike

Speaking of digging; Didn't want those endangered species anyway!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/environment-department-to-lose-60-jobs-key-to-threatened-species/9722560

This is smashing the furniture on the way out the door. It would seem unlikely the coalition will make another term and this act is going to do what the cuts to the CSIRO did to their future. These people are the entire 'corporate' knowledge regarding how to save or prolong these species. The DoE has almost literally all the leading expert PhDs on many threatened species. Not only that, they have the knowledge of what has and has not worked in the multi government layer and corporate situations that require complicated manoeuvring to achieve even small outcomes.

Vandalism by utter poo poo smeared clown car pilots with no loving clue.

Kiss this little guy good bye for a start. I said Josh Frydenburg was a complete muppet from day one and unfortunately he has delivered in spades.

Cartoon fucked around with this message at 01:42 on May 4, 2018

# ? May 4, 2018 01:38

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Not the corroboree frog! I love those little guys

# ? May 4, 2018 01:54

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

Cartoon posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/environment-department-to-lose-60-jobs-key-to-threatened-species/9722560

This is loving disgusting :mad:

# ? May 4, 2018 02:05

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Cartoon posted:

Thor is negligent like that. It was a lightning strike

Speaking of digging; Didn't want those endangered species anyway!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/environment-department-to-lose-60-jobs-key-to-threatened-species/9722560

This is smashing the furniture on the way out the door. It would seem unlikely the coalition will make another term and this act is going to do what the cuts to the CSIRO did to their future. These people are the entire 'corporate' knowledge regarding how to save or prolong these species. The DoE has almost literally all the leading expert PhDs on many threatened species. Not only that, they have the knowledge of what has and has not worked in the multi government layer and corporate situations that require complicated manoeuvring to achieve even small outcomes.

Vandalism by utter poo poo smeared clown car pilots with no loving clue.

Kiss this little guy good bye for a start. I said Josh Frydenburg was a complete muppet from day one and unfortunately he has delivered in spades.

Even better because most states are in the process of tying state based work closer to the feds on biodiversity :toot:

# ? May 4, 2018 02:29

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

https://twitter.com/AboutTheHouse/status/992196750055161857

Looks like the nerds have taken over both the house of reps and senate twitter

# ? May 4, 2018 02:48

Konomex: Oct 25, 2010; a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Milky Moor posted:

remember how winter soldier was like 'btw there are super nazis in all the world governments' and then nothing happened with that

such continuity

A nice touch of realism in an otherwise unbelievable universe that stretches the suspension of disbelief, really grounds you back in reality.

quote:

Greens MP Adam Bandt, who wants the payment increased by $70 a week, said he lived on the dole for about a year after finishing his law degree and moving to Melbourne.

�It helped me survive and make ends meet, but that was almost 20 years ago when the government was still treating unemployed people like human beings,� he told The New Daily.

Mr Bandt said he tried to live on Newstart for a week in 2013 after Labor�s then Families Minister Jenny Macklin said she could live on $35 a day.

�By the end of the week I was $80 in debt,� he said.

How does this make sense? He was on it for a week and by the end of that week he was $80 in debt, but he only wants it increased by $70?

# ? May 4, 2018 02:53

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Konomex posted:

A nice touch of realism in an otherwise unbelievable universe that stretches the suspension of disbelief, really grounds you back in reality.

How does this make sense? He was on it for a week and by the end of that week he was $80 in debt, but he only wants it increased by $70?

1. I'd assume that $80 would apply directly to his own living situation
2. It's government, you gotta negotiate everything. I'd love it if he went high (i.e. double) so they could haggle it downward and still come out ahead, but :shrug:

# ? May 4, 2018 03:10

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

Jason Ball is recontesting Higgins.

If Odwyer gets hammered about the banks again a few more times he'll have a shot.

# ? May 4, 2018 03:46

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

is there a by-election?

# ? May 4, 2018 04:01

Dimebag: Jul 12, 2004

Lid posted:

OPORTO, Red Rooster and Chicken Treat shops across Australia are on the verge of closing their doors due to the parent company’s unfair business practices, it has been claimed.

Oporto no!

Well all they need to do is pivot into putting the chilli sauce in supermarkets like Nando's and no harm done.

# ? May 4, 2018 04:24

froglet: Nov 12, 2009; You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

1. I'd assume that $80 would apply directly to his own living situation
2. It's government, you gotta negotiate everything. I'd love it if he went high (i.e. double) so they could haggle it downward and still come out ahead, but

Something I don't get - what if you live in a really expensive area? Are you SOL and get the same amount as people living in the middle of nowhere?

# ? May 4, 2018 04:25

Reclines Obesily: Jul 24, 2000; Hey Moona!; Slippery Tilde

red rooster is vile, condolences to the employees :pray:

# ? May 4, 2018 04:31

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

froglet posted:

Something I don't get - what if you live in a really expensive area? Are you SOL and get the same amount as people living in the middle of nowhere?

joe hockey voice: just move somewhere more affordable and get a job

# ? May 4, 2018 04:34

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

bell jar posted:

joe hockey voice: just move somewhere more affordable and get a job

Also Joe Hockey voice: Poor people don't own cars.

# ? May 4, 2018 04:36

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

The Before Times posted:

is there a by-election?

no, but there will be a federal election very soon

# ? May 4, 2018 04:37

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
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Reclines Obesily posted:

red rooster is vile, condolences to the employees

Correct

# ? May 4, 2018 04:38

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

drunkill posted:

no, but there will be a federal election very soon

Hopefully not before 2019; my workload can't deal with a state AND fed election in one year

# ? May 4, 2018 04:51

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

The ETU is funding the socialist campaign for a seat in Victoria�s upper house, if successful they�d knock of Fiona patten which be loving fantastic

# ? May 4, 2018 04:55

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Solemn Sloth posted:

The ETU is funding the socialist campaign for a seat in Victoria�s upper house, if successful they�d knock of Fiona patten which be loving fantastic

Good.

# ? May 4, 2018 05:01

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

froglet posted:

Something I don't get - what if you live in a really expensive area? Are you SOL and get the same amount as people living in the middle of nowhere?

Wouldn't that come under rent assistance, which is separate from the basic Newstart payment?

# ? May 4, 2018 05:18

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Wouldn't that come under rent assistance, which is separate from the basic Newstart payment?

rent assistance is pitiful though. You hit the maximum of $89 assistance if you are paying $240 per fortnight (for sharing. if you're renting outright then it's $189 maximum assistance at $289 per fortnight rent).

# ? May 4, 2018 05:22

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

The Before Times posted:

rent assistance is pitiful though. You hit the maximum of $89 assistance if you are paying $240 per fortnight (for sharing. if you're renting outright then it's $189 maximum assistance at $289 per fortnight rent).

Those numbers alone should show how out of date everything is. $145 a week rent is insanely out of touch.

# ? May 4, 2018 05:28

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Yeah. You get a bit more if you're in a couple with kids etc but even then it's nowhere near enough.

# ? May 4, 2018 05:44

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I love Joe Hockey someone post the washing machine video

# ? May 4, 2018 06:13

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# ? May 29, 2024 08:47

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

aejix posted:

Morally reprehensible? Sure.
Inconsistent - no way. Its just more wealth transfer

Technically, it's externalizing, but yeah. It's short-sighted though, pretending that the costs are 'out there' is just ignoring that it costs the rest of the economy and there will be a reckoning.

Cartoon posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/environment-department-to-lose-60-jobs-key-to-threatened-species/9722560

This is smashing the furniture on the way out the door.

More externalizing, and designed to be ignored by the MSM with an imminent Budget. And oh boy this will be a massive test of Bill, because they're going to shoot money out of a cannon at the electorate.

The Before Times posted:

rent assistance is pitiful though. You hit the maximum of $89 assistance if you are paying $240 per fortnight (for sharing. if you're renting outright then it's $189 maximum assistance at $289 per fortnight rent).

But wait, if you're in state public housing, because you're paying a fixed percentage of your income to make it affordable, your rent assistance gets cut, which means the only part of the benefit that reacts in any way to market conditions is designed to be minimised.

# ? May 4, 2018 06:32

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