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Anidav posted:I love Joe Hockey someone post the washing machine video Shaking my head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZknIj4Yre0
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The Before Times posted:https://twitter.com/AboutTheHouse/status/992196750055161857 https://twitter.com/AboutTheHouse/status/992202469668106241 https://twitter.com/AboutTheHouse/status/992225441166508032
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Knobb Manwich posted:Shaking my head. It's an auspol classic
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Craveable Brands controls the branding on some 570 restaurants across all three chicken outlets. The franchisees submitting to this Senatorial inquiry allege the company is acting in bad faith by forcing stores to shell out absurd amounts for goods and supplies; items outlets are forced to buy at rates far above the standard open market price. The submission details examples of this, like a case of Mount Franklin water, which can be bought for $11 off-the-shelf at any supermarket like IGA or whatnot. But Craveable Brands supplies the same case of water to Red Rooster and Oporto outlets for the inflated price of $18 per unit. Similarly, franchisees claim they have been forced to purchase restaurant stock and essentials like bulk plastic spoons, knives, and forks at over $70 per package, which is outrageously above the open market price of $40 for the same amount of the same items. Franchisees allege these inflated prices are due to “rebates” on the behalf of Craveable Brands; rebates which are neither disclosed nor shared with franchisees who suffer because of them. THE FREE MARKET
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ewe2 posted:New Daily surveyed MPs about whether they could live on Newstart or had ever lived on benefits: The taste of dining with sterling silver spoons.
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we've finally managed to convince the coalition that yes, as an object, the great barrier reef is worth a lot of money in actual real-world dollars. so if they invest money into the reef in the short term, in the long term they will make an actual real-world quantifiable profit on that investment. but of course money doesn't grow on trees, it has to come from somewhere. so they balance it out by stripping funding from biodiversity, a product that they haven't yet been completely sold on. nobody has managed to show them on a powerpoint presentation with brightly coloured graphs and words whizzing across the screen why it is necessary for australia to have nineteen different species of wallaby. more importantly, nobody has told them that, if we still have nineteen species of wallabies in 2050 (as opposed to what we will have, which is like three), they will each get one million dollars. in this scenario the fact that the coalition are sexually fixated on business and can't understand anything not cased in the vocabulary of the dollar is a secondary problem. the main problem here is that nobody will ever be able to explain to them why biodiversity is necessary because they are all outrageously stupid little men
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"these daft cunts aren't qualified to run a chook pen. vote greens"
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this broken hill posted:"these daft cunts aren't qualified to run a chook pen. vote greens" The voters are also daft. Checkmate. After 30 more years of constant LNP/IPA rule Australia resembles Mad Max. Lord Potato who rules from his AFP fortress in the desert with the only fresh water source turns his loudspeaker on once per day to issue an edict to the hungry and thirsty masses teeming around outside the walls, desperate for salvation. "Labor's fault!" *desperate mob cheers wildly* DancingShade fucked around with this message at 08:43 on May 4, 2018 |
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ewe2 posted:Technically, it's externalizing, but yeah. It's short-sighted though, pretending that the costs are 'out there' is just ignoring that it costs the rest of the economy and there will be a reckoning. True, i suppose i was more thinking along the lines of this essentially boiling down to yet another case of funnelling untold amounts of public money into privately owned businesses. Only this way is a lot more clever/sneaky because, instead of just getting the government to dump the money directly into them via subsidies/grants/good old fashioned corruption, they ask the government to give it to the poorest australians under the guise of helping them, knowing full well they HAVE to spend that money and a most of that additional cash will go into privately owned companies where it will be magically spirited away into a broom closet in the carribbean, never to be seen again.
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aejix posted:True, i suppose i was more thinking along the lines of this essentially boiling down to yet another case of funnelling untold amounts of public money into privately owned businesses. Yeah that's also a valid argument, particularly when you line it up against their favourite catch-cry "governments wasting money", yeah and who got that money? Oh, a private company? What a surprise. So whenever you see that, take note of the industry sector because that's a signal for another dubious tendering process. I'm in favour of some kind of non-compete for ex-public servants and politicians, to at least cut down the revolving door between politics and industry that corrupts governments at all levels. Other industries have them for employees and these guys are always claiming they're "just" employees, so gently caress them, treat them like it.
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DancingShade posted:The voters are also daft. Checkmate. It seems to be humans in general. Someone put up an anti-big game hunting meme on Facebook and people were replying "How will I get to eat them if we can't hunt them?" I don't know where I'm going with this except to point out that my psychiatrist appointment is in late June and the fucker better prescribe me something that leaves me an unthinking zombie or I'm going to loving sue.
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Splits... unsplits... unsplits because your policy is now Liberal Party policy and its really really really hard to explain that away? http://junkee.com/kathleen-maltzahn-nordic-model/156839 quote:A Controversial Greens Candidate Has Backflipped On Sex Worker Rights After Intense Pressure
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May 4, 2018 10:58
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NTRabbit posted:Australian Greens, champions of the neo-Liberal centre *has flashbacks to the Australian Democrats (who? says anyone young) and the introduction of GST*
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I just want to clarify (mainly for my own benefit, because I don't even know what you people are saying right now): Maltzahn is the only prominent Green who supports the Nordic model. So this is basically her saying 'yes, I'll vote according to the party line on this issue I have personal disagreements on', which she never said otherwise on. Not exactly the most dramatic backflip in political gymnastic history, especially given prominent criticism from even those within her party. Whether this is true remains to be seen, but I think she knows that the unlikely event of a vote on it, going against the party is going to do more harm to her than good for anyone. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 11:35 on May 4, 2018 |
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May 4, 2018 11:32
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I remember when we would post Greens articles about thier eco socialist policy platforms but nowadays all I read are centrist policy gymnastics and splits.
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Cleretic posted:I just want to clarify (mainly for my own benefit, because I don't even know what you people are saying right now): Maltzahn is the only prominent Green who supports the Nordic model. So this is basically her saying 'yes, I'll vote according to the party line on this issue I have personal disagreements on', which she never said otherwise on. Not exactly the most dramatic backflip in political gymnastic history, especially given prominent criticism from even those within her party. No, Greens support Nordic Model now because something something Di Natale LNP partnership something centrists something Labor are the real progressives
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quote:Next Saturday, the Liberal Party’s Victorian branch will discuss adopting a European approach to prostitution if it wins government in November’s state election.
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Knorth posted:No, Greens support Nordic Model now because something something Di Natale LNP partnership something centrists something Labor are the real progressives Can you get me a citation on this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but from what I'm aware the Greens support full decrim; it's not a cornerstone of the policy platform, but it's in there, and you'll find little disagreement from the membership. EDIT: Thanks for that, I didn't know it was actually coming near the books for the Liberals. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 11:56 on May 4, 2018 |
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May 4, 2018 11:54
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These are the stupidest reasons possible for this terrible "solution".
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Cleretic posted:Can you get me a citation on this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but from what I'm aware the Greens support full decrim; it's not a cornerstone of the policy platform, but it's in there, and you'll find little disagreement from the membership. I wasn't being serious. Any perceived misstep one of the Greens make needs to be followed by howling about centrists and au pairs in turtle-necks, didn't you know. It's tradition apparently Nordic Model is hosed and I'm glad the lady in Victoria flipped
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Knorth posted:I wasn't being serious. Any perceived misstep one of the Greens make needs to be followed by howling about centrists and au pairs in turtle-necks, didn't you know. It's tradition apparently Ahh, alright. Yeah, you can kinda tell, that post rang a little too close to some of the more eye-rolling bullshit that gets posted here to me. This is literally the opposite of a split or slipping towards centrism, and people still said it immediately.
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Cleretic posted:Ahh, alright. Yeah, you can kinda tell, that post rang a little too close to some of the more eye-rolling bullshit that gets posted here to me. I was saying unsplits but it rings really hollow that she flippes because now her policy is Liberal policy. Thats shallow as gently caress and while people claim the Greens have less principles now thats a pretty clear case of being contrarian to the right even though you agree because otherwise it might mean people realise you are a second wavist.
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Fyi, these criticisms strongly echo the logic gymnastics of Republican-style Hillary Clinton talking points. Just admit you're a communist and go join the SALTies already, rather than wasting all this energy trying to convince us that the greens are literally Hitler.
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JBP posted:The greens are really loving bad. don't even get me started still better than the rest though, and I'll be marching with them at May Day.
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Voting just enables the fascists I'LL BE VOTING WITH loving MOLOTOVS just as soon as I get my wood elf character up to level 50.
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Don Dongington posted:Just admit you're a rightist and go join Labor already, rather than wasting all this energy trying to convince the greens to be literally Democrats.
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Young Aussies to bear burden of budget repair task Young Australians will live lives more impoverished than their parents, thanks to the “disappointing” debt legacy of successive federal governments. That's the fresh budget-eve warning from Tony Shepherd, the head of the Coalition’s 2014 National Commission of Audit. Speaking to Fairfax Media, Mr Shepherd said the Treasurer, Scott Morrison, should deliver only “modest” personal income tax cuts in Tuesday night's budget, devoting the substantial portion of windfall revenue gains to budget repair. Without action now, future generations would end up shouldering a higher tax burden, which would reduce their standard of living, Mr Shepherd warned. “We’re going to have to pay for it. Some time or another, you’re going to have to pay the piper.” Shortly after winning the 2013 election warning of a "debt and deficits disaster", the Coalition projected the value of Commonwealth government securities on issue would climb to $667 billion in a decade as a result of Labor policies. The federal government borrows money by issuing securities. "Were we to proceed on a business-as-usual approach, we would see deficits out forever, and debt ballooning to levels which would impoverish our children and grandchildren,” Malcolm Turnbull warned shortly after the 2014 budget. Since then, the 10-year forecast for government debt has climbed even higher - to $684 billion - on the latest Treasury figures, which will be updated on Tuesday. The figure for net debt is lower, thanks to money stashed in the Future Fund, along with other assets held by government. Mr Shepherd said this debt legacy revealed how the '‘baby boomer’' generation had turned traditional notions of inter-generational fairness on their head. “I think it’s a sad reflection on my generation. That’s why we’re all going out there to help our kids with their mortgages. We’re leaving them with a colossal state debt. I think we’re doing it more out of guilt than anything else.” “The tradition of previous generations was to be able to say to their children: ‘We’re going to leave this country better for you than what we had’. I’m not sure we can say that now.” “People today are saying: ‘Look, I don’t think my children are going to have as good a life as I did, other than through inherited wealth.’ That’s disappointing.” Mr Shepherd, who is on the board of the Menzies Research Centre, has previously called for the family home to be included in the assets test for the age pension. Economist Saul Eslake said the main issue was not the size of government debt - which was lower than in many advanced nations - but the fairness of the current tax and transfer system. “I’d probably be more worried not so much about the debt position, but simply the way the whole system of income, wealth and taxes has all been changed in a way which advantages baby boomers at the expense of their kids.” “More broadly, there has been a very substantial redistribution of income and wealth from older Australians to younger Australians over the last two decades.” In addition to enjoying a free education, older Australians had also been the major beneficiaries of the housing wealth boom. “It astounds me that there isn’t more anger among young people about that," Mr Eslake said. And Tuesday's budget was likely to do little to wind back a raft of new tax concessions granted to older Australians in recent decades, including on superannuation and the Seniors Tax Offset, Mr Eslake said. “What I find striking is that while older Australians’ - aged 65 plus - share of population, of income and of wealth has risen, their share of tax paid has gone down.” Veteran budget watcher, Deloitte Access Economics’ Chris Richardson, said the government should fully bank any revenue windfalls, rather than cutting income taxes, to restore a budget buffer against future economic shocks. “Baking personal income tax cuts into the budgetary cake could end up being a mistake, saddling us with permanent promises off the back of temporary good news,” Mr Richardson said. However, if money were to be spent, it should go towards helping some of the poorest income support recipients, rather than middle income taxpayers. “If the nation is going to spend the windfall of the moment, then front of the queue should be an increase in what we spend on unemployment benefits and youth allowance. Unemployment benefits have been steadily shrinking relative to wages and to the age pension for a quarter of a century.”
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A quick look on wiki reveals that Shepherd is a business person, but nothing saying that he knows economics. Could it be that he has no idea how government debt works?
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None of us are ever going to retire  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/04/pension-age-hike-will-force-thousands-of-elderly-australians-on-to-newstart https://theconversation.com/factcheck-is-australia-on-track-to-have-the-oldest-pension-age-in-the-developed-world-72567 (of course this is only a problem because it might affect some boomers) DancingShade fucked around with this message at 13:53 on May 4, 2018 |
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Age Pension is only slightly above starvation anyway. Hold a billionaire's children to ransom instead.
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DancingShade posted:None of us are ever going to retire so the future of australia. first fulltime job at 30, retire at 70
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drunkill posted:so the future of australia. Die of health issues before 70 because of 40-50 years of full time casual shift work.
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Starshark posted:Age Pension is only slightly above starvation anyway. Hold a billionaire's children to ransom instead. My grandma claims she lives well on it, but she also lives in somewhere mostly known for all the manufacturing jobs drying up and the area becoming horribly economically depressed. I imagine she'd be singing a different tune if she lived in Sydney or Melbourne.
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quote:In May 2017 an article by Andrew Burrell entitled, “Sorry Business,” was published in The Weekend Australian Magazine and on The Australian website concerning Andrew Forrest, founder and chairman of Fortescue Metals Group, the world’s fourth biggest iron ore miner. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/apology-andrew-forrest-ao/news-story/8d773bd6f0bfb08aeba23be6264dabf5 ok wtf is this?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/apology-andrew-forrest-ao/news-story/8d773bd6f0bfb08aeba23be6264dabf5 The scientific name is "wank".
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