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Ah yes, building new housing in an area means other people can no longer live there. Building nothing is more of a cause of gentrification, because it raises rents. "Let's build nothing, the problem will surely solve itself. And why would you ever want density near transit stops?!"
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Fame Douglas posted:Ah yes, building new housing in an area means other people can no longer live there. Building nothing is more of a cause of gentrification, because it raises rents. Whatever your position on development, not talking to any of those organizations before attempting to pitch a bill is a bad look.
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Is it possible to oppose a bill YIMBYs support without being a NIMBY? Or is any opposition automatically about “Not in my backyard” no matter what the individual claims? Because that certainly seems like the attitude, any complaints or concerns about a bill YIMBYs support is automatically dismissed as NIMBYism no matter what.
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May 3, 2018 17:00
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Sydin posted:It's a shame there's such a feeling of inevitability surrounding him. I guess the irony is that California is so liberal that the DNC has it locked down tight and it is thus a terrible place for new comers like Eastin to break in. e: IMHO NIMBY can always be identified by "But my property values!" and (dog whistle) "What about criiiiiime?" "Where do you expect us to live after you build market-rate condos with minimal or no low-income housing?" ain't NIMBY.
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Trabisnikof posted:Is it possible to oppose a bill YIMBYs support without being a NIMBY? It probably isn't, to be honest. At least not right now. There are overwhelmingly more NIMBYs than there are housing advocates and they are more than glad to use your arguments to their ends. If someone honestly believes there is a housing shortage and sees people whose only response to attempts to build housing is saying "no" then it's hard not to group them in with the rest. I think if some progressives groups manage to get some publicity with real concrete proposals to increase housing or less-sucky versions of the bill that just got shot down - if they could be seen trying to solve the problem rather than obstructing other people trying to solve the problem (or at least people perceived as trying to) - then they would get a lot more support from people who would otherwise be calling them NIMBYs. All the people who love them now would turn on them with knives, but you win some you lose some...
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The housing problem will not be solved until the boomers are dead, unfortunately.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The housing problem will not be solved until the boomers are dead, unfortunately. Build more nursing homes?
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May 3, 2018 18:23
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The housing problem will not be solved until the boomers are dead, unfortunately.
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FilthyImp posted:People are going to have to get over the love of cute victorian homes and single family units first Well, yeah. That too. You can't build a community around those.
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Trabisnikof posted:Is it possible to oppose a bill YIMBYs support without being a NIMBY? edit: you may be a PHIMBY (kill me): https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/nimbys-yimbys-and-phimbys-oh-my/557927/ quote:Neighborhood groups and city councils in wealthy areas like Marin County, Palo Alto, and Beverly Hills have lined up in opposition to the bill, deploying the kinds of NIMBY arguments that have historically been used to restrict housing supply. But as the debate over SB 827 heats up, a third faction has entered the fray: PHIMBYs, which stands for “Public Housing in My Backyard.” Cicero fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 3, 2018 |
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What ratio of public/bmr housing would be needed to form a strong enough coalition? Is any percentage less than 100 (which is a terrible idea) enough for tenants unions? Instead of attempting to address real problems, I just see these groups pushing for rent control which is essentially another form of FYGM.
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May 3, 2018 22:22
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The housing problem will not be solved until the boomers are dead, unfortunately. Wrong because Prop 13 means the boomers' property is going to fall into the laps of Gen X/Y'ers who still don't have to pay anything even remotely approaching fair property tax and who will now have a vested interest in ensuring as little development as possible so their house continues to skyrocket in value. The housing problem will not be solved until prop 13 is repealed, and the boomers are dead, unfortunately.
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Sydin posted:Wrong because Prop 13 means the boomers' property is going to fall into the laps of Gen X/Y'ers who still don't have to pay anything even remotely approaching fair property tax and who will now have a vested interest in ensuring as little development as possible so their house continues to skyrocket in value. Most boomers have multiple kids and they want the money from a sale, not a property that they have to take care of. Also most boomers are going to spend their inheritance (either in assisted living or just living their "best life") and give their kids very little, which puts pressure on them even further to liquidate the real estate. Source: I flipped 3 houses and I got all 3 from GenXers who inherited them and wanted money right loving now
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FilthyImp posted:People are going to have to get over the love of cute victorian homes and single family units first Xaris fucked around with this message at 05:56 on May 4, 2018 |
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Do y'all actually take those surveys that you get in your email? I got (probably) the same one a few alluded to earlier, and I took it because even if Villaraigosa or whoever is using it for campaign research, it still seems constructive to answer the questions honestly and say 'yo, your ads suck and don't state actual policy positions.' Although answering all the questions with extremely progressive views and then checking my area of residence as 'Central Valley' probably gets me automatically discarded as an outlier  does it actually do anything, good or bad?
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Highbrow Slick posted:Do y'all actually take those surveys that you get in your email? I got (probably) the same one a few alluded to earlier, and I took it because even if Villaraigosa or whoever is using it for campaign research, it still seems constructive to answer the questions honestly and say 'yo, your ads suck and don't state actual policy positions.' Although answering all the questions with extremely progressive views and then checking my area of residence as 'Central Valley' probably gets me automatically discarded as an outlier Oh yeah I got one of those too.
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Highbrow Slick posted:Do y'all actually take those surveys that you get in your email? I got (probably) the same one a few alluded to earlier, and I took it because even if Villaraigosa or whoever is using it for campaign research, it still seems constructive to answer the questions honestly and say 'yo, your ads suck and don't state actual policy positions.' Although answering all the questions with extremely progressive views and then checking my area of residence as 'Central Valley' probably gets me automatically discarded as an outlier I take them every time. I always put in progressive comments or viewpoints (orange county here) and they keep sending them. This is the 3rd one I have received that I suspect is for Villarraigosa. I'm curious as to how we all got on their list though if it was the same survey. I dont give out my email to many groups, and am surprised that any of them would be helping out Anthony Villaraigosa.
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Boredumb posted:I'm curious as to how we all got on their list though if it was the same survey. I dont give out my email to many groups, and am surprised that any of them would be helping out Anthony Villaraigosa. Turns out most of my spam comes from an email leaked by logmein.
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May 4, 2018 15:30
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Xaris posted:this is extremely important and not to be understated. i work in construction in a lot of ways, often doing inspection or other services (civil/geotech engineering) and commonly almost every single drillers/excavator/other construction guys commute in from loving Manteca, Tracy, Gilroy, Stockton, etc everyday. It's easy go "well bay area prices are too high they're being priced out!" but that's not really it all. They're making a conscious decision that they want a single family unit with a white picket fence and room for their trucks which is basically antithesis for everything pro-housing is working for. They don't want an apartment even if it was <$800 a month and almost none of them would take it. They'll certainly bitch about the commute, but at the end of the day they want that suburban house and we should absolutely not be building more of those--think of the poor construction worker is an absolute bad talking point because of it. Operators make bank (ok a solid living wage, a dece 6 figgies if you will) thanks to the unions. Laborers not so much. IME the former come in from houses in Livermore and Tracy, the latter live together as roommates in rentals closer to their sites. Seems kinda backwards, but yeah it’s thanks to the lovely culture you’re referring to.
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Stripe, a payments startup, is apparently [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/us/california-today-stripe-yimby-housing.html]throwing $1mm YIMBY's way[/ur]
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I like how Stripe is still called a startup
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I like how Stripe is still called a startup i was thinking the exact same thing
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"Startup" in this case being code for "hasn't IPO'd or been bought out yet."
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On a positive note it’s looking like it’s now harder for companies to screw over their workers by misclassifying them as independent contractors. Uber and Lyft might actually have to treat their workers like people.
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/992456580569403392
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May 4, 2018 18:43
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I'd be saltier but according to an article I read earlier today De Leon is polling at 8% (lower than the literal nazi) so sadly who Obama endorses hardly matters
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May 4, 2018 18:48
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90% Dem approval, folks.
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May 4, 2018 18:56
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It turns out your average California Democrat is uninformed and just votes for the person whose name they recognize and had a (D) next to it. Who'd have guessed? Time to dig in for another six years of hoping somebody finally finds DiFi's phylactery and she keels over, I guess.
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Sydin posted:It turns out your average California Democrat is uninformed and just votes for the person whose name they recognize and had a (D) next to it. Who'd have guessed? Or your average California Democrat is not nearly as far left as many of us would like to believe.
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May 4, 2018 19:17
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I mean, that too, but you don't really need to be that far left to be out of step with Feinstein.
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May 4, 2018 19:25
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Remember that Prop 8 was passed in the same election that gave Obama his first term.
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the most california dem thing is to just not think about crafting your own political opinions and go with whatever the sf chronicle editorial board and politicians you culturally identify with like feinstein and jerry brown say
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Have I just been really good at skipping commercials or has there not been much advertising for the Senatorial campaign yet? Maybe de León is polling low because his message isn't out yet?
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Weembles posted:Remember that Prop 8 was passed in the same election that gave Obama his first term. I've brought this up many times, and out of state Mormon and Catholic money seems to get the blame. Yes, those mattered, but Utah Mormons didn't vote to take away same sex marriage, Californians did. I'm still pissed about that 10 years later.
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Sydin posted:It turns out your average California Democrat is uninformed and just votes for the person whose name they recognize and had a (D) next to it. Who'd have guessed? She can't hide those horcruxes from progressives forever!
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JeffersonClay posted:Or your average California Democrat is not nearly as far left as many of us would like to believe. Feinstein is ideologically right in every area except gay marriage and 1960s levels of gun control. If this the best that one of the bluest states in the nation can produce, we're hosed and Dem voters are worthless.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I've brought this up many times, and out of state Mormon and Catholic money seems to get the blame. Yes, those mattered, but Utah Mormons didn't vote to take away same sex marriage, Californians did. Don't forget Newsom acting like a smug dickhead about the inevitability of SSM and giving the opposition tons of perfect clips to run in their ads about elitist liberals pushing their views on the little guy.
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Dems being Clinton-style Nice Republicans in single-party blue states isn't a California-specific thing. It's also extremely true in New York and Illinois. I think the fact that voters have still put up with it just speaks to the nullification of political consciousness when there is no substantive debate between dueling factions (beyond faceless interest groups airing ads on ballot propositions) and there hasn't been for decades. People just don't know yet that there is an alternative.
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Sydin posted:Don't forget Newsom acting like a smug dickhead about the inevitability of SSM and giving the opposition tons of perfect clips to run in their ads about elitist liberals pushing their views on the little guy. Yeah but also he's totally right and gently caress anyone who needs that forced on them. And would you look at that, it inevitably happened.
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