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Kay Kessler posted:Peasants, known for discussing vineyards.
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:Whenever I read a particularly bad sex scene in a book, the first thing that happens is I'm amazed that the author thought that whatever they were writing was erotic enough to be included. Then I realize: "Holy poo poo, I'm reading someone's kink right here on the page." One of the Dresden Files books has a sex scene between Harry and vampire Susan Rodriguez where he has to tie her up and smack her around to avoid being killed in the middle of it. Jim Butcher admitted that he wrote it on a bet that it was possible to make a BDSM sex scene plot-relevant.
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Jim Butcher seems to relish bets and dares.
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:Whenever I read a particularly bad sex scene in a book, the first thing that happens is I'm amazed that the author thought that whatever they were writing was erotic enough to be included. Then I realize: "Holy poo poo, I'm reading someone's kink right here on the page." I finished Altered Carbon the other day and there's a point where the wife of the guy that contracted Kovacs goes to his apartment and reveals that she has augments in her body that secretes a heavily aphrodisiac drug when she's excited. Then follows a multiple pages sex scene, with very detailed and very unnecessary descriptions. But then again, this is sci-fi, at least they were both adults.
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chitoryu12 posted:One of the Dresden Files books has a sex scene between Harry and vampire Susan Rodriguez where he has to tie her up and smack her around to avoid being killed in the middle of it. I believe that Jim Butcher wrote that scene purely on a dare and for plot relevance in the same way that I believe the dude on 4chan legitimately just thought it would be funny to look at Yoshi being embarrassed by shooting eggs from his butt
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May 5, 2018 05:28
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Jim Butcher seems to relish bets and dares. He also seems to reveal those “bets” and “dares” after people criticize them.
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May 5, 2018 06:02
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I am content in my ignorance of the chronology of Jim Butcher's statements about his creative process.
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May 5, 2018 07:06
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I am content in my ignorance of the chronology of Jim Butcher's statements about his creative process. I mean ultimately I don’t care and I still shamelessly enjoy most of his books. It’s just always struck me as odd.
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May 5, 2018 07:34
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Samuringa posted:I finished Altered Carbon the other day and there's a point where the wife of the guy that contracted Kovacs goes to his apartment and reveals that she has augments in her body that secretes a heavily aphrodisiac drug when she's excited. Then follows a multiple pages sex scene, with very detailed and very unnecessary descriptions. All three books tend to have surprisingly decent (consensual!) sex scenes all things considered It's a bit of a jarring shift though
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May 5, 2018 07:49
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Antivehicular posted:I believe that Jim Butcher wrote that scene purely on a dare and for plot relevance in the same way that I believe the dude on 4chan legitimately just thought it would be funny to look at Yoshi being embarrassed by shooting eggs from his butt That second guy made a crucial error - not Butt, Cloaca idiot. Which makes Birdo even more bizarre, because she lays from her mouth.
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May 5, 2018 08:24
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BioEnchanted posted:That second guy made a crucial error - not Butt, Cloaca idiot. Which makes Birdo even more bizarre, because she lays from her mouth. you ever wondered what it would be like to kiss birdo on the mouth haha just wondering. I bet it would be funny especially if she accidentally put an egg in your stomach and it was fertilized and you were both super embarassed that you habe to birdo's.surrogate boy-mom haha
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May 5, 2018 09:11
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Samuringa posted:I finished Altered Carbon the other day and there's a point where the wife of the guy that contracted Kovacs goes to his apartment and reveals that she has augments in her body that secretes a heavily aphrodisiac drug when she's excited. Then follows a multiple pages sex scene, with very detailed and very unnecessary descriptions. I find that whole thing hilarious. You can kind of justify the Miriam Bancroft scene being so graphic as him trying to make some kind of point about the pornificiation of culture and the commodification of women's bodies (e.g. how her sleeve is permanently mid 20s, while her husband is middle-aged). Then every sex scene is like that, and you realise the author just likes graphic sex scenes.
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May 5, 2018 10:27
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I recently started on the second Inspector Rebus novel by Ian Rankin. I liked the first one and it's certainly not a terrible book, but I wonder, is there any reason why guys writing My First Novel always seem to really lean into a very overwrought prose style? Fair play to Rankin, he admits that he thinks the first few books aren't very good, but there's one part in the first novel where the sky is described as being "as dark as a Wagnerian opera" which is one of the most pretentious similes I think I've read in a while.
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May 5, 2018 10:33
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girl pants posted:Jim Butcher sucks Butcher's redeeming factor in my eyes is how very open he is about hating the books he's most famous for. The hate for Harry Dresden just kind of wafts off the page like a silent but deadly fart.
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May 5, 2018 12:57
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Given that it's been four years since the last installment he should probably skip the next few books planned and skip to the ending.
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May 5, 2018 13:12
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Hello it's me the only goon who has no opinion on and no desire to read the dresden books
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May 5, 2018 13:38
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guess what i found at the thrift stooore
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May 5, 2018 13:56
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I have yet to find Wild Animus in the wild.
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May 5, 2018 14:15
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im in ur vineyard smellin ur poos
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May 5, 2018 14:48
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The Iron Rose posted:All three books tend to have surprisingly decent (consensual!) sex scenes all things considered uh no, books 2+3 have scenes where it turns out that one of the envoy "abilities" is curing ptsd via hypnotism + intercourse. of course takeshi is like "i really shouldnt do this, but she's all hysterical and i dont have time so im gonna hypnotize her and gently caress her and that will make her okay again"
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May 5, 2018 14:51
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Djeser posted:guess what i found at the thrift stooore Just needs a little piece of black electrical tape...
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May 5, 2018 14:59
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Djeser posted:Hello it's me the only goon who has no opinion on and no desire to read the dresden books
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Dresden books are good... are you really that dismissive of Slaughterhouse-Five? Wrong dresden books.
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May 5, 2018 19:04
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Krankenstyle posted:uh no, It should be taught to all sci fi authors that if you’re thinking of writing a sex scene, don’t.
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May 5, 2018 19:16
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It should be taught to all speculative fiction authors that if you’re thinking of writing a sex scene, don’t. I for one would love to read supernatural horror that doesn't involve a protagonist looking to bang or a written-to-be-bangable protagonist.
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May 5, 2018 19:35
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The only good, plot-important sex scene I can think of is the one in one of the Vorkosigan books where it’s used to illustrate the hollow, depressing sham that is the heroine’s marriage. At least with joyless, disappointing sex, it’s incrementally less likely to be the author’s fetish.
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May 5, 2018 19:42
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Samuringa posted:I finished Altered Carbon the other day and there's a point where the wife of the guy that contracted Kovacs goes to his apartment and reveals that she has augments in her body that secretes a heavily aphrodisiac drug when she's excited. Then follows a multiple pages sex scene, with very detailed and very unnecessary descriptions. I listened to the audiobook, and the narrator has this excellent film noir detective voice which I loved until we got thirty seconds into a sex scene and I realized with growing horror that he wasn't going to drop that voice for the whole, exceptionally long scene.
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legendof posted:I listened to the audiobook, and the narrator has this excellent film noir detective voice which I loved until we got thirty seconds into a sex scene and I realized with growing horror that he wasn't going to drop that voice for the whole, exceptionally long scene. ...and then he went from noir, to Zap Brannigan Djeser posted:Hello it's me the only goon who has no opinion on and no desire to read the dresden books I'd never heard of them until I was dating my fiance, and he loves them. He kept pressing me to read them and I did, and I loved him a little less after.
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13Pandora13 posted:...and then he went from noir, to Zap Brannigan I kind of like them but I will happily admit they are pulp trash and I would not be mad at someone for thinking they're poo poo.
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May 5, 2018 20:21
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Loomer posted:Wrong dresden books. 
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May 5, 2018 20:23
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It should be taught to all sci fi authors that if you’re thinking of writing a sex scene, don’t. At least read some romance and figure out how it's conventionally done. Heaving bosoms and straining trouser laces may be silly, but they aren't going to make people wonder about your private life and what the hell you were thinking.
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May 5, 2018 22:15
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Not in keeping with the spirit of the thread I suppose but the best sex scenes I've read recently were in Matthew Klam's "Who is Rich?", and they were great because they managed to capture a lot about the characters' personalities and relationships and also accurately convey how sex can be awkward, hilarious, serious and really hot all at the same time. It is very hard to do, Klam is a very good writer, and the vast majority of authors should really just pan to the curtains blowing in the breeze and then fade to black.
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Darth Walrus posted:The only good, plot-important sex scene I can think of is the one in one of the Vorkosigan books where it’s used to illustrate the hollow, depressing sham that is the heroine’s marriage. At least with joyless, disappointing sex, it’s incrementally less likely to be the author’s fetish. What if I don't want to read about the author calling out their significant other's inadequacies either?
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I remember the train sex scene in Angelmaker, which is specifically a scene where the protagonist has sex with a girl who's bolted her bedframe to steel spikes driven into the ground, because the only thing that gets her off any more is the vibrations of the train that passes directly by her house. As I was reading it, I was thinking "this is loving ridiculous" but then I realized that it was about as ridiculous as every other part of Angelmaker, and decided it was, in the end, Good.
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spite house posted:Not in keeping with the spirit of the thread I suppose but the best sex scenes I've read recently were in Matthew Klam's "Who is Rich?", and they were great because they managed to capture a lot about the characters' personalities and relationships and also accurately convey how sex can be awkward, hilarious, serious and really hot all at the same time. in danish, klam means "gross" or "creepy" (literally cold & damp, actually, but almost all usage is about dudes being gross/creepy). how good are those sex scenes then?
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Krankenstyle posted:uh no, You are absolutely right and I blanked that entire bit out mostly because it wasn't uh, on screen but still lol
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McCoy Pauley posted:I have trouble not laughing at any sex scene in the Kovacs books after having come across this 2010 blog post about another Morgan book, where it appears that Morgan himself pops up with a comment in order to respond to the post and, in part, to defend the sex scenes in his books with this amazing line: Neurosis posted:Black Man is kind of an unpleasant read too. It ups the Kovacs sociopath feeling without a lot to redeem it. Morgan freaked out at some reviewer who didn't like it and sent the reviewer an email saying 'you just can't handle or understand the strong masculine black protagonist who doesn't apologise for his blackness that I've masterfully crafted'. The review said nothing about race nor even hinted at it beyond stating the protagonist was black Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Wow, I didn’t know about the meltdown, it makes Black Man look even worse because the titular character is a hyper masculine, genetically engineered violence machine. If that is the essence of blackness for Morgan, whelp. "You simply can't handle my masterful creation of a character who is the epitome of the black alpha male!" "sir this is a taco bell drive through"
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