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This is ridiculous. Japan should not be running wild surface raiding in 1944 while the Allies creep around the periphery.
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the AI sailing unescorted oilers near Rabaul is really something
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May 4, 2018 18:07
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that fleet oiler may not have made the list but it is definitely sunk or completely incinerated
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May 4, 2018 19:31
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Grey Hunter posted:
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May 4, 2018 20:16
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Pickled Tink posted:Obviously they are moving vehicles into position for use in an amphibious assault by all those soldiers you sent to the seafloor earlier. the 1st innsmouth is going to take rabul!
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May 4, 2018 20:21
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Cantorsdust posted:This is ridiculous. Japan should not be running wild surface raiding in 1944 while the Allies creep around the periphery. tbh im mad too. I want to see grey suffer not prosper
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May 4, 2018 22:13
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Can you shore-bombard an island you control if the enemy has landed there?
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May 4, 2018 23:05
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3 May 1944 DE USS Donnell loses both screws to a homing torpedo fired by U-765 and is never repaired. 4 May 1944 Minesweeper HMS Elgin is, of course, mined, by an acoustic mine near Portland (UK). The ship survives with no casualties but is again not repaired.
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May 5, 2018 03:41
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i guess the AI just can't keep up. good for GH. there were a few two-player LPs of this, i think, but i don't think any of them finished? hopefully somebody makes that happen someday
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May 5, 2018 03:49
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The problem is finding two people mad enough to commit to half a decade of gaming. realistically assuming a turn a day on average.
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May 5, 2018 07:41
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Maybe someone from the matrixgames forums vs grey hunter?
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May 5, 2018 08:22
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The AI seems basically unviable as an opponent, like while this is a really fun LP what I'm seeing is turning me off the game actually, especially when combined with the impracticality of doing an MP game. You wonder what are you supposed to even do with the whole bit of software? They should hack away detail until the AI can at least pretend to work with it or starting a multiplayer game with someone stops being a marriage-level commitment.
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May 5, 2018 11:18
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there are good two people AARs on the matrix forums there was a Paradigm/Saros Focus: Pacific LP that was going on in here until everyone figured out that F:P is super broken (it puts a lot more assets in to the Pacific including French ships, German ships, and a poo poo load of garbage Flight Deck Cruisers for all sides)
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:there are good two people AARs on the matrix forums it's wild that someone makes a mod and goes "you know what the Allies need? MORE STUFF AND ALSO THE RUSSIANS ARE ACTIVE ON DAY 1" gently caress you buddy, you could teleport the USS Nimitz into Tokyo Bay and rechristen it the IJN Eichenwald and the game would still be an uphill battle for the Japanese player EDIT: I will say very nice things about fellow goon ElBrak as a committed PBEM player. A better partner than I deserved. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 17:31 on May 5, 2018 |
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aphid_licker posted:The AI seems basically unviable as an opponent, like while this is a really fun LP what I'm seeing is turning me off the game actually, especially when combined with the impracticality of doing an MP game. You wonder what are you supposed to even do with the whole bit of software? They should hack away detail until the AI can at least pretend to work with it or starting a multiplayer game with someone stops being a marriage-level commitment. It does ok as Japan, as they are scripted ti begin with and even the AI can't be as inept as real life High command. As the allies the cracks are really starting to show.
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   We pick off a wounded ship on it's way home.  These two flee before us!  Oh look, an Allied sub.  Dawn arrives and we are able to get into range.  The spitfires visit again.  As do some Thunderbolts.  We torpedo another ship in the evening.   The superforts make sure we can;t use that new base to bomb Chunking.   No massive kills today, but we hit a light cruiser good and proper.  19/100.
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May 5, 2018 17:54
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LST crew must have the worst gallows humor in the pacific.
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May 5, 2018 18:29
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They're all manned by penal units.
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Five days into the month, nearly a fifth of the way there! And the BB's you were sending bak to Japan for repairs made ti there yet? If so can we get repair estimates when they do?
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Picking up the game again after a bit off. I’d thought I’d crippled the KB, but in the middle of my invasion of Truk it raided Dutch harbor
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May 5, 2018 19:29
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Is there any strategic purpose to invading Dutch harbor in the game?
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May 5, 2018 19:32
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Yeah it controls the critical fisheries in the Bering. I mean, it may not be represented in-game, but how can anyone be said to be truly winning without having ready access to fresh-caught cod and Alaskan crab?
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May 5, 2018 19:55
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Ron Jeremy posted:Is there any strategic purpose to invading Dutch harbor in the game? You could expend tons of resources to make an airbase to bomb other small Alaskan towns and harass any ships up that way, but keeping it supplied would be a bitch and a half.
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May 5, 2018 23:01
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How feasible are operations in Alaska? Could you shove a marine unit into Anchorage if you really wanted to, or would that trigger angry Patton?
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May 6, 2018 00:04
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It’s a nice stepping stone to Hokkaido I guess.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:How feasible are operations in Alaska? Could you shove a marine unit into Anchorage if you really wanted to, or would that trigger angry Patton? I'm sure that someone's tried it during the Beefy Japan scenario 2, but there are so many better targets that Alaska always ends up being a sideshow. I have no idea if the big US units spawn after an invasion of Alaska.
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May 6, 2018 00:13
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Patton doesn't show up unless you cross the line that if I remember correctly ends around Vancouver.
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I think it has been mentioned a dozen times in this thread already (every time it comes up) that Patton isn't actually in the game and it's just a bunch of other people showing up.
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Pickled Tink posted:I think it has been mentioned a dozen times in this thread already (every time it comes up) that Patton isn't actually in the game and it's just a bunch of other people showing up. Yeah, but that's because Matrix didn't quite understand that something as beyond-fiction as a Japanese invasion of the US requires a mythic response.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Is there any strategic purpose to invading Dutch harbor in the game? The Aleutians can be good submarine bases for the US since they're not that far from Japan. Adak Island is my main base for sub ops off the coast of Japan, I've got a couple dozen subs based there. I've got more options for forward bases now that I've taken Rabaul, the Marshalls, and Truk, but before the US offensive really gets rolling the Aleutians are really the best choice. The Japanese have raided Dutch Harbor a couple times in my game, like Woodchip it was when their carriers would have been put to better use elsewhere. If they somehow took Dutch Harbor it would definitely gently caress with my sub ops but would not otherwise be a big deal.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:How feasible are operations in Alaska? Could you shove a marine unit into Anchorage if you really wanted to, or would that trigger angry Patton? I think the biggest value to Aleutian/Alaskan operations for the Japanese is to give the Allies something else to guard. The Aleutians particularly are so strung out geographically that they take a disproportionately large force to protect them.
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5 May 1944 DE USS Fechteler sinks near Alboran Island in the Western Mediterranean after eating a homing torpedo from U-967.
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MrYenko posted:I think the biggest value to Aleutian/Alaskan operations for the Japanese is to give the Allies something else to guard. The Aleutians particularly are so strung out geographically that they take a disproportionately large force to protect them. The Allies have plenty of extra forces to guard them though - spreading them out is really only useful (I guess, not playing this game at all) in the early gmae.. Where Japan has limited forces and you want to concentrate them elsewhere on higher priority things. Later in the game it probably doesn't hurt the US that much to just put a batallion or so ona few of them to have available and just some older bombers in them to attack anything that comes up. Othe than spreading forces up there thin, there doesn't seem to be much use tacticall for them - the Japanese really intended for them to just be a way to lure the USN and spread it thin during Midway, and after that they only left very small forces on the islands at best which served to occasionally let the US raid the supply convoys they sent u pthere and occasionally invade the side island they hadn't realized the Japanese evacuated.
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MrYenko posted:I think the biggest value to Aleutian/Alaskan operations for the Japanese is to give the Allies something else to guard. The Aleutians particularly are so strung out geographically that they take a disproportionately large force to protect them. But what does it cost for the allies to simply ignore the area? This is before oil was discovered up there, and it seems so far out of range from anything for it to be a threat to anything worth guarding.
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sullat posted:But what does it cost for the allies to simply ignore the area? This is before oil was discovered up there, and it seems so far out of range from anything for it to be a threat to anything worth guarding. Theoretically I don't think much? I'd wager they're not worth that many points, anthing -really- important you can just build up a stronger garrison at and maybe base some older ships out of or bombers if you want to have a patrol force available. Most of the islands aren't really big enough to be built up to anthing, and they're nearly as far from the US/Canada as they are from Japan. So even if they're taken they're not much of a threat as far as things which could operate out of them. I suppose wtih the Soviets active they'd be useful for raiding lend lease shipments, but that's easy enough to avoid by just haing the convoys go bit more to the south. wedgekree fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 6, 2018 |
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The only time I've seen the Aleutians seriously occupied past the first few islands are when Japanese players are trying to invade Alaska and push down to above the line near Vancouver. If done fast enough they can take Vancouver itself and use it as a base to bomb the American industry. Granted, this is a completely insane plan but it has been successful before.
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Use strategic bombing on the US before they can use it on you. Genius. sad_curtis_lemay.gif
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As a frame of reference, Port Moresby is worth 40 points to the Japanese, has an airfield capacity of 3, and a port capacity of 1. Both ports and airfields can be expanded to +3 past their capacity, so a maximum of 6 and 4 for PM, respectively. Dutch Harbor is worth 5 points, has an airfield capacity of 0, and a port capacity of 3. Everything to the west of Dutch Harbor is even smaller and less valuable than that. If you can get to Anchorage, that's worth 25 points, with an airfield of 6 and a port of 2. Juneau is even more valuable, at 100 points with an airfield of 1 and a port of 3, but that's starting to get very far afield. The problem with expanding in this direction is that makes your supply efforts very delicate, as it's only one predictable line. As a final note, you don't trigger the emergency reinforcements unless you land forces south of Vancouver, and the actual Lend-Lease convoys from the CONUS to Vladivostok aren't modeled for you to interdict. The Soviets get all the equipment they're historically entitled to regardless. EDIT: It's also correct that you can technically occupy Canadian bases large enough to support land-based bombers and perform strategic bombing on American bases on the West Coast without triggering the emergency reinforcements. This is also the only way for the Japanese player to score strategic bombing points against the Allies. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 04:46 on May 6, 2018 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:
I didn't know the Japanese had strategic bombers! Cool. Well, the thing with sending hot air balloons wtih firebombs aside.
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Hilariously, the way that the map stretches makes it so that the Japanese can capture Winnipeg without triggering the Allied reinforcements. If you can manage to get strategic bombers all the out there it's possible to bomb Salt Lake City.
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