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Fiedler posted:This company is hilarious. "We have chosen to cede the entire Windows developer market to GitHub and Microsoft." lol. as if ruby in 2018 wasn't enough of a warning
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FamDav posted:gitlab is riding high on the k8s and “let’s run everything ourselves what do those github guys know?” bandwagon Our VP of software forced every team to start using gitlab and now we've got an outage that keeps us from submitting or deploying code at least once a sprint. It is bad software
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Progressive JPEG posted:this somewhat gets at why firm scaling by cost of living is so crazy to me -- in theory they're paying you what youre worth to them, not what your expenses are. why is this a surprise. labor is a product like anything else. did you offer extra money for the last car you bought, because it was really useful to you?
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Shaggar posted:lol. as if ruby in 2018 wasn't enough of a warning
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why is this a surprise. labor is a product like anything else. point is, "you don't need the money" is the reason to pay you less but if you go to your boss and say "pay me more because I need the money" you'll get told you're paid for the value you provide to the company not for what you need I mean, yes, this is obvious but just another example of the fact that capitalism is based on screwing every last penny you can out of everyone else by any means necessary and rewards dishonesty
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Arcsech posted:point is, "you don't need the money" is the reason to pay you less but if you go to your boss and say "pay me more because I need the money" you'll get told you're paid for the value you provide to the company not for what you need They pay you that because they can get away with it. If you live in a low CoL area the jobs in that area probably don't pay as much. You're paid as much as your employer thinks will keep you there. "You don't need the money" is just spin; because its a lot nicer than "if you don't like it, go find somewhere else in <small town>"
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Arcsech posted:point is, "you don't need the money" is the reason to pay you less but if you go to your boss and say "pay me more because I need the money" you'll get told you're paid for the value you provide to the company not for what you need the latter should be correctly recognized as a a veiled threat to start looking for a new job followed by your boss calling your bluff
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is gitlab the one that accidentally blew away a bunch of customer repos once?
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qhat posted:Your salary is directly representative of how your company weighs up the risk vs reward of hiring you and very little to do with cost of living beyond what you yourself are willing to put up with, although they might very well use it as a convenient negotiating platform. Think about it like this, if you said no to that cost of living adjustment, the company will probably rescind their offer. Why do you think that is? It ultimately comes down to two things and two things only: qhat posted:It's not crazy if you see it for what it really is: a disincentive to work remotely while also a convenient way of reducing labor costs in a way that sounds semi reasonable. Progressive JPEG posted:this somewhat gets at why firm scaling by cost of living is so crazy to me -- in theory they're paying you what youre worth to them, not what your expenses are. i can't expect to go to my manager and get anything from 'i need a raise because i bought an expensive boat' other than a hearty chuckle. likewise it would be ridiculous for my manager to say 'i heard you're living in a studio; ive cut your pay since you dont need it anyway'. good posts itt
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raminasi posted:is gitlab the one that accidentally blew away a bunch of customer repos once? Yes.
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Fiedler posted:Translation: Do not ever work for this company or use their products. we knew this when they blew up their db and livestreamed themselves sucking at fixing it jony neuemonic posted:lol jesus, i'm the company built entirely on git that will only begrudgingly allow you to use linux. a non-trivial part of changing my mind about a job offer I accepted was they insisted I use a mac, liken literally disallowed from using a linux machine well that and getting a way better job offer
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raminasi posted:is gitlab the one that accidentally blew away a bunch of customer repos once? Postmortem of database outage of January 31, 2017 People use this poo poo?
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ADINSX posted:They pay you that because they can get away with it. If you live in a low CoL area the jobs in that area probably don't pay as much. You're paid as much as your employer thinks will keep you there. yeah i covered that Arcsech posted:I mean, yes, this is obvious but just another example of the fact that capitalism is based on screwing every last penny you can out of everyone else by any means necessary and rewards dishonesty
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:a non-trivial part of changing my mind about a job offer I accepted was they insisted I use a mac, liken literally disallowed from using a linux machine hell i prefer using a mac for most things, but that’s such a weirdly pissy attitude to have about something that really doesn’t matter that it screams 
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hobbesmaster posted:the latter should be correctly recognized as a a veiled threat to start looking for a new job followed by your boss calling your bluff Bosses are evaluated on results and retention. They're supposed to call bluffs, but also know when someone isn't bluffing and take care of them. The now defunct Debug podcast had a great episode where two former directors from Apple were on the show, Melton and Ganatra. They go over a lot of salient points about retaining talent and when to let people go, among a lot of other points about managing technical teams. I think everyone should be aware of the other side of the negotiation- it's not that you should cry a river for the bosses of the world, it's that it certainly helps to understand what factors into a raise vs a pass.
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Rofl. Yeah we almost lost all of our customer's codebases, but hey at least we defeated Jenna Marbles on youtube.
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I'd definitely have second thoughts about working for a company that livestreamed my ineptitude with computers across the Internet
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Arcsech posted:point is, "you don't need the money" is the reason to pay you less but if you go to your boss and say "pay me more because I need the money" you'll get told you're paid for the value you provide to the company not for what you need duh? you get paid some amount less than the value you provide to the company. that amount is, preferably, as small as possible, in order to maximize the company's consumer surplus when you buy a car, you buy it for some amount less than the value you gain from it. ideally, that amount is small as possible, to maximize your consumer surplus
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you get paid some amount less than the value you provide to the company. that amount is, preferably, as small as possible, in order to maximize the company's consumer surplus plz explain the the gender pay gap in this framework
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Fiedler posted:Postmortem of database outage of January 31, 2017 haha i never actually read the postmortem. i'm the gitlab lol posted:
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ah yes, backing up data, a problem which has stumped the brightest engineers since time immemorial.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:when you buy a car, you buy it for some amount less than the value you gain from it. ideally, that amount is small as possible, to maximize your consumer surplus 
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qhat posted:ah yes, backing up data, a problem which has stumped the brightest engineers since time immemorial. those engineers should've lost their stamps for this!
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ADINSX posted:They pay you that because they can get away with it. If you live in a low CoL area the jobs in that area probably don't pay as much. You're paid as much as your employer thinks will keep you there. seems like "go somewhere else" isn't that much of a threat in tech land.
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jony neuemonic posted:hell i prefer using a mac for most things, but that’s such a weirdly pissy attitude to have about something that really doesn’t matter that it screams there's not a lot in the way of it policy enforcement for linux
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Actually literally flying out today for an interview tomorrow.  This mean I'm actually decent or just good enough?
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Space Whale posted:Actually literally flying out today for an interview tomorrow.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:plz explain the the gender pay gap in this framework the reason we have laws against discrimination is that private actors often conclude discrimination is worth their time and money, but it impoverishes all of us, communally, when they pursue that private interest
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qhat posted:ah yes, backing up data, a problem which has stumped the brightest engineers since time immemorial. this, but unironically
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good news: I got the job bad news: I learned that (old, bad job) has been paying me way above market rate and they won't match my old salary
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dragon enthusiast posted:good news: I got the job then don't take the job?
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dragon enthusiast posted:good news: I got the job probably not true post ur figgies, if its over 200k: okay maybe, if its under: doubtful
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Peeny Cheez posted:It means that you're probably gonna get trafficked. Nah I got metro'd. Working transit is amazing coming from the south/ Colorado.
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i guess it's less being paid above market rate and more lingering effects from a previous career change that one was definitely a pay cut disguised as a raise due to cost of living adjustments now the cost of living is going in the opposite direction and idk if not having to deal with all the bullshit of my current job is going to offset the ~7% loss of figgies
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"You're not going to get a better deal elsewhere" - #1 sales strat since the dawn of time
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