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AceClown posted:Yeah not clicking that I thought it would be uncomfortable cringe but spoilers its1 just MaRo being a goof.
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Yeah, MaRo acting like a lunatic is always fun. I wish I had whatever drugs he’s been on for 30 years.
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May 7, 2018 20:22
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Who is going to SCG Con? What events are you doing? My brother is doing the Open; but I'm not up for that poo poo. NBL modern seems like a crapshoot I'm not interested in playing Debating between: - 3 day infinite challenge and just having a good time dicking around / playing magic - 2 day inifite + Sunday legacy classic - Duel for Duals but I dont need any duals and being able to get food with relative flexibility seems clutch But still entirely up in the air; what about everyone else?
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May 7, 2018 20:23
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Tainen posted:Enjoy this video featuring a old tiny man yelling about a children's card game. Maro reminding me more and more of Doc Brown
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May 7, 2018 20:31
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Angry Grimace posted:Take this as a ribbing, but "I had the best deck in the room" is what the guy who lost says. This is fair. But I beat the decks i lost to in the swiss plus there were mulligans involved and pretty large differences in quality of draws. Obviously it's my opinion but the deck did seem very strong.
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May 7, 2018 20:32
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BGrifter posted:Yeah, MaRo acting like a lunatic is always fun. I wish I had whatever drugs he’s been on for 30 years. Hash browns.
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May 7, 2018 20:37
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May 7, 2018 20:42
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Arglebargle III posted:Is there a thread for MTG Arena beta? Feel free to talk about it here.
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May 7, 2018 20:44
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Arglebargle III posted:Is there a thread for MTG Arena beta? *in a spooky ghost pirate voice* ...you're in one.
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May 7, 2018 20:44
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Naban is objectively worse than the Phantasmal Image I took out of 5c Humans to make room for him, but objectively ten million times more fun. What other Human Fun-Ofs would you guys recommend trying in MB? Right now I have Naban/Tap Thalia/Kessig Malcontents and I'm having a blast with all of them.
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May 7, 2018 20:49
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Walked posted:Who is going to SCG Con? I'm going with some buddies. I'll be playing some sort of Dark Depths deck in NBL modern just because I never get an excuse to use those cards. Don't know what I"ll do Sunday when I scrub out Saturday, maybe pauper? Seems like a fun time, I need to figure out which brewery/bar/restaurant to spend friday and saturday evening at.
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May 7, 2018 20:58
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Is the Arena beta open to the public yet or is it still an invite lottery?
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May 7, 2018 21:02
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I think one aspect of Duels I never really appreciated before was its limit on rare and mythic playsets. Forcing top tier decks to play less optimal rares and mythics smoothed out the transition between new and old players by reducing the consistency of top tier decks. Running into a UW approach or UB scarab god with full playsets of their pieces is like hitting a brick wall as a new player. Red deck wins will beat you but doesn't feel nearly as bad to play. Also giving new players a ton of wildcards is a very bad decision because nobody knows what wildcards are or that the flower button shows you cards you don't have. Right now, by the time your average new player figures out how the vault economy works, it makes more sense for them to quit and make a new account because they've set themselves back by a month or two just clicking around the deck builder.
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May 7, 2018 21:04
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qbert posted:Is the Arena beta open to the public yet or is it still an invite lottery? Still invite only but they seem to continue to send out new keys regularly. I wouldn't expect it to go into open beta until the fall.
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May 7, 2018 21:04
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Got timer wins twice in a row vs. some very angry people. Buddy, if I minded waiting a little bit, I wouldn't be playing UW Approach. Incredibly, some other guy stuck it out for like 5+ turns of Teferi emblem just Infinity Warsing him out of existence.
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May 7, 2018 21:04
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Arglebargle III posted:I think one aspect of Duels I never really appreciated before was its limit on rare and mythic playsets. Forcing top tier decks to play less optimal rares and mythics smoothed out the transition between new and old players by reducing the consistency of top tier decks. Running into a UW approach or UB scarab god with full playsets of their pieces is like hitting a brick wall as a new player. Red deck wins will beat you but doesn't feel nearly as bad to play. It really needs an optional hand-holdy tutorial ("Your cat deck works pretty good. But it could be even better with another Regal Caracal, which makes all of your cats stronger! Click on the regal caracal, and redeem one of your wildcards." or whatever)
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May 7, 2018 21:06
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Tainen posted:Still invite only but they seem to continue to send out new keys regularly. I wouldn't expect it to go into open beta until the fall. I'd guess it'll be with Core, since putting Kaladesh in (supposed to be next) would be a waste otherwise.
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mcmagic posted:This is fair. But I beat the decks i lost to in the swiss plus there were mulligans involved and pretty large differences in quality of draws. Obviously it's my opinion but the deck did seem very strong.
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Speaking of arena beta I went nuts with a bunch of wildcards and crafted monowhite knights + Lyra the other day and it’s decently fun and doing very well so far. I still need to make another Marshal, etc. though. Once I have a bunch of extra rare wildcards to burn on lands I might try the BW version. Was also messing around with a GW version including Shalai, but that keeps turning into more of a generic goodstuff deck. There’s also the inconvenient fact that you can’t realistically cast Marshals or Steel Leaf Champions on curve, so that makes either monocolor deck more attractive.
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May 7, 2018 21:11
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Arglebargle III posted:I think one aspect of Duels I never really appreciated before was its limit on rare and mythic playsets. Forcing top tier decks to play less optimal rares and mythics smoothed out the transition between new and old players by reducing the consistency of top tier decks. Running into a UW approach or UB scarab god with full playsets of their pieces is like hitting a brick wall as a new player. Red deck wins will beat you but doesn't feel nearly as bad to play. I miss playing weirdo jank like BUG Elemental Bond because most of the good cards were low-count.
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May 7, 2018 21:15
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mossyfisk posted:I'd guess it'll be with Core, since putting Kaladesh in (supposed to be next) would be a waste otherwise. I used to think Core but the big features they said will be part of the open release still seem far away. They have said open beta will include best of 3s, full 8 person pod drafting, sealed and seasons. We are six months into closed beta and haven't even gotten best of three in casual constructed.
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May 7, 2018 21:19
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Hauki posted:There’s also the inconvenient fact that you can’t realistically cast Marshals or Steel Leaf Champions on curve, so that makes either monocolor deck more attractive. If you're willing to blow the wildcards I bet 4 scattered groves, 4 sunpetal groves, and 4 unclaimed territories you could have some degree of consistency with this. 8 rare wildcards on lands is a bit steep though.
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May 7, 2018 21:23
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Full disclosure: I've been playing Magic since 1994 and I wasted all my starting wildcards on Arena because I didn't know how the economy or the deck-builder interface worked. If I can't figure it out then casuals don't have a chance.
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May 7, 2018 21:35
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Owlbear Camus posted:If you're willing to blow the wildcards I bet 4 scattered groves, 4 sunpetal groves, and 4 unclaimed territories you could have some degree of consistency with this. 8 rare wildcards on lands is a bit steep though. Yeah, I might if I run into a bunch, but I blew a ton of wild cards crafting the rest of the deck already. I think I’ve got like 16 ea. C/U, 0 rare and 2 or 3 mythic left at the moment. I wish you could like... upgrade or downgrade rarities somehow. Or just use a drat dust system.
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May 7, 2018 21:40
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Arglebargle III posted:Full disclosure: I've been playing Magic since 1994 and I wasted all my starting wildcards on Arena because I didn't know how the economy or the deck-builder interface worked. If I can't figure it out then casuals don't have a chance. Yeah I'm in a similar boat, my stompy deck has fallen to pieces since it turns out Heart of Kiran and Blossoming Defense are pretty integral to your deck functioning properly. Ever Since I've been trying to transition into another deck but since a ton of my wildcards got tied up in the stompy deck I don't have enough left over to build anything half decent with it. Wildcards either need a higher droprate from packs or the vault needs to open way WAY faster.
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AnEdgelord posted:Yeah I'm in a similar boat, my stompy deck has fallen to pieces since it turns out Heart of Kiran and Blossoming Defense are pretty integral to your deck functioning properly. Ever Since I've been trying to transition into another deck but since a ton of my wildcards got tied up in the stompy deck I don't have enough left over to build anything half decent with it. they want you to get frustrated and spend irl money 
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evilweasel posted:they want you to get frustrated and spend irl money I already spent irl money and I'm still up poo poo creek
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May 7, 2018 21:46
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I have paid; to win. I would feel ashamed but that's basically what constructed is in paper, too, so 
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Arglebargle III posted:I think one aspect of Duels I never really appreciated before was its limit on rare and mythic playsets. Forcing top tier decks to play less optimal rares and mythics smoothed out the transition between new and old players by reducing the consistency of top tier decks. Running into a UW approach or UB scarab god with full playsets of their pieces is like hitting a brick wall as a new player. Red deck wins will beat you but doesn't feel nearly as bad to play. I think Hearthstone does this well. Restricting players to 1 of each legendary per deck and having them be build arounds as opposed to just strong cards is pretty a good balance. Sure they still run into the problem with many epics being incredibly strong, but almost all the necessary cards per class such as removal and efficient creatures are common or rare. Everyone complaining about rare wildcards being the limiting factor on Arena is tied to the fact that Wizards prints pretty much every constructed playable card at rare or mythic. Rare dual lands are probably the most annoying part of building a deck but it's their money-maker so they aren't changing anytime soon.
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Owlbear Camus posted:I have paid; to win. I would feel ashamed but that's basically what constructed is in paper, too, so Yeah but in constructed if I spend $30 I get a Teferi, and in Arena I get the chance at a Teferi and not even a very good one.
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May 7, 2018 21:51
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AnEdgelord posted:I already spent irl money and I'm still up poo poo creek then they want you to spend more! AnEdgelord posted:Yeah but in constructed if I spend $30 I get a Teferi, and in Arena I get the chance at a Teferi and not even a very good one. you'd need to run the math but i suspect that for $30 you have a reasonably solid chance of a mythic wildcard plus other stuff you would want
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May 7, 2018 21:54
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evilweasel posted:you'd need to run the math but i suspect that for $30 you have a reasonably solid chance of a mythic wildcard plus other stuff you would want I was honestly surprised at how many wildcards I got off $50. Probably at least 3-4 raw mythics, an assortment of lower rarities plus popping vault twice or so in the process. Not sure offhand how many actual mythics I got in the packs themselves, but a fair number. Granted, they were virtually all Muldrotha & Darigaaz but I’ve got playsets of those now?
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evilweasel posted:then they want you to spend more! As a recovered IAP addict, they really reel you in with poo poo like this. Owlbear Camus posted:I have paid; to win. I would feel ashamed but that's basically what constructed is in paper, too, so The thing is, the paper cards have value. You get some return in your investment in paper cards. Not so much on digital cardboard. Basically paper Magic lets me satisfy the addictive side of my personality while satisfying the logical side as well. If I ever choose to sell out of Magic, I'll get a healthy chunk of cash out of the exchange. Money spent on digital stuff may as well be ejected into the aether. Framboise fucked around with this message at 22:13 on May 7, 2018 |
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Nothing in MTG Arena is for your entertainment. It literally only exists to get you to play because its "free" when you otherwise wouldn't, and then tries to see how many of you it can frustrate into paying money when you wouldn't have even played it in the first place. Its a trap. MTGO is probably going to end up cheaper in the long run, even if you never ever sell anything before it rotates. I thought I would play this because it because it would be a cheaper way to play standard, but real standard decks require about 15 mythics each unless you just play 16 counterspells and a singleton wincon. Even if you could buy rare wildcards for 1k gold each and mythics for 5k, it would still take you months to finish a deck without paying. Edit: If this doesn't change by release, DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME. Play MTGO instead. Once they wipe my collection im probably done with this unless it gets a lot better.
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MODO is buggy and ugly but I still like actually playing Magic in it a lot more than I do in Arena, and the economy is way better. Also, Arena will probably never have any of the badass cubes.
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A Moose posted:Nothing in MTG Arena is for your entertainment. It literally only exists to get you to play because its "free" when you otherwise wouldn't, and then tries to see how many of you it can frustrate into paying money when you wouldn't have even played it in the first place. Its a trap. MTGO is probably going to end up cheaper in the long run, even if you never ever sell anything before it rotates. Counterpoint: MODO is stone cold dead when Arena goes Live.
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Toshimo posted:Counterpoint: MODO is stone cold dead when Arena goes Live. I really don't think this will be the case.
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It will be on life support most definitely. They'll do the absolute minimum which is ensure new sets are implemented and the most egregious rules bugs maybe are fixed and call it a day. Once arena has rankings and events that qualify you for invite only tournaments like the mocs or pro tour pros will be forced over and that will be that.
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Arena will likely never have non-standard formats or non-contemporary draft formats. Even if you ignore the actual play experience (which is a lot worse in Arena IMO), I think MODO offers a lot that Arena doesn't.
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