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X13Fen
Oct 18, 2006

"Is that an accurate quote? It should be.
I think about it often enough."

fiery_valkyrie posted:

How the gently caress does a statue cost $25 million?

And how long till Fuhrer Dutton rounds us all up?

Not long - he just got $246 million for his new superministry

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bigis
Jun 21, 2006
Lol they’re proposing a flat tax bracket from 40k to 200k from 2024.

Pie in the sky stuff.

BurgerQuest
Mar 17, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Birdstrike posted:

clawing $2bn out of r&d deductions hahaha sure

I thought they already gutted this too

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
I'm keen to see Leigh Sales ask why the ABC's budget is getting cut for a statue.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
The Government hopes to raise an additional $373 million from welfare recipients when it extends data matching activities within the Australian Tax Office in 2021.

It also hopes to save about $200 million by increasing the waiting period for new migrants to some welfare benefits from three years to four years from July 1.

Pre-budget calls to increase the Newstart allowance were ignored

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

BurgerQuest posted:

I thought they already gutted this too

no they’re thinking that the ato will suddenly stop billions in ‘dodgy’ r&d deductions, conveniently forgetting that the ato isn’t allowed to judge r&d cases (AusIndustry is supposed to do that)

BurgerQuest
Mar 17, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Birdstrike posted:

no they’re thinking that the ato will suddenly stop billions in ‘dodgy’ r&d deductions, conveniently forgetting that the ato isn’t allowed to judge r&d cases (AusIndustry is supposed to do that)

I have a mixed impression as I've seen a few businesses stop claiming it (thin case for claiming in the first place) that I've had dealings with and the few penny stocks I follow predicting smaller claims.

I assumed there was a crackdown at some level.

BurgerQuest
Mar 17, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Birdstrike posted:

no they’re thinking that the ato will suddenly stop billions in ‘dodgy’ r&d deductions, conveniently forgetting that the ato isn’t allowed to judge r&d cases (AusIndustry is supposed to do that)

I also cant tell if you're for or against the R&D claims because I think it was very easy to rort as a small business but I'm also not against small business getting a break.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
https://twitter.com/AdamBandt/status/993787987623272448

bigis
Jun 21, 2006
The Libs will be hosed off before 2024 so who gives a poo poo.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

BurgerQuest posted:

I also cant tell if you're for or against the R&D claims because I think it was very easy to rort as a small business but I'm also not against small business getting a break.

no I’m saying that the agency they want to collect that money is not allowed to collect it (and if they do IGOT will throw a shitfit)

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
This was a really weak budget guys.

I mean super loving weak.

The media is calling this an election budget but all it was is just more handouts for Boomers and gently caress mostly everything else.

Why bother? The boomers are going to vote LNP anyway so I don't see it as election winning by any stretch. A 500 dollar tax cut? It's way too minuscule to offset the negative impacts of wage stagnation, job insecurity and the science brain drain.

The LNP are dreaming if they think this will change their election woes.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Anidav posted:

This was a really weak budget guys.

I mean super loving weak.

The media is calling this an election budget but all it was is just more handouts for Boomers and gently caress mostly everything else.

Why bother? The boomers are going to vote LNP anyway so I don't see it as election winning by any stretch. A 500 dollar tax cut? It's way too minuscule to offset the negative impacts of wage stagnation, job insecurity and the science brain drain.

The LNP are dreaming if they think this will change their election woes.

On the other hand the voting public are loving brain dead fucks

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
It's a pissweak election budget, like their 2016 offering.

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
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Solemn Sloth posted:

On the other hand the voting public are loving brain dead fucks

Ding Ding Ding

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012

https://twitter.com/joshgnosis/status/993798867127681025

Who keeps inviting this guy to Budget Night and why

bigis
Jun 21, 2006

quote:

SALES: Why would Australia believe you who hasn't delivered a budget surplus over a Treasurer who delivered ten?

MORRISON: He hadn't seen my Budget last night.

Costello: the man, the legend

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Cartoon posted:

Cool! Which TAFEs teach quantum physics?

Nobody needs to learn quantum physics.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Brown Paper Bag posted:

https://twitter.com/joshgnosis/status/993798867127681025

Who keeps inviting this guy to Budget Night and why

He's the Minister for Home Affairs.

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012

https://twitter.com/gingerandhoney/status/993800395829923840

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Brown Paper Bag posted:

https://twitter.com/joshgnosis/status/993798867127681025

Who keeps inviting this guy to Budget Night and why

No one recognized him from the gay porn videos this time

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/joshgnosis/status/993677579516133378

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
Bless the people who think this being a bad, boring budget will hurt the Libs at the polls

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again


Better take down more anti Coalition articles, right guys?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Krabboss posted:

Bless the people who think this being a bad, boring budget will hurt the Libs at the polls

It's nice to have dreams.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Anidav posted:



Better take down more anti Coalition articles, right guys?

To be fair to the coalition here: all of the other broadcast media organisations revenue have been plummeting too

Pinball Jizzard
Jun 23, 2010

KennyTheFish posted:

The idea that the only or best way for SMEs to get capital for growth is from tax cuts is absurd.

Tax cuts for small business is definitely not the only way and probably not the best way. But it is a way and one which is not difficult to implement or balance. Where else do you throw your tax cuts?

I’d rather see it go to small business than corporations or the individual. I dislike the idea of giving to the individual because it doesn’t necessarily support industries equally but instead primarily ends up in the hands of shop-fronts (cafes, shops, supermarkets, etc). What are you going to spend your extra $540 a year on? Will it be work for your property, car maintenance or more likely a night out, fuel, food or existing debt?

norp posted:

You didn't answer his question

He asked how a pre-tax expense is affected by the tax rate in any way.
Literally all of the things you listed are not affected by tax rates one bit because if they were spent that money would no longer be profit and therefore not taxed

He asked how a tax cut enabled Dave to hire more people given his wage is pre-tax. I highlighted that the cost of hiring is more than just a wage and in a lot of industries.

If a company gets a 5% tax cut on profit of $2m, they’ve gained $100k per year without impacting profit. The assumption is that a proportion of companies would reinvest this into the business creating more jobs without impacting their bottom line. I.e Dave now has $100k to buy equipment for a new starter without his take-home being affected. He can either bank the $100k, or he employs the new guy that provides him with further increased profits.

Pinball Jizzard fucked around with this message at 14:17 on May 8, 2018

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

President Dutton for life.

I'll stop calling him the potato king just in case he goes full Erdogan and starts rounding up people who don't salute his portraits or whatever.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Pinball Jizzard posted:

Tax cuts for small business is definitely not the only way and probably not the best way. But it is a way and one which is not difficult to implement or balance. Where else do you throw your tax cuts?

I’d rather see it go to small business than corporations or the individual. I dislike the idea of giving to the individual because it doesn’t necessarily support industries equally but instead primarily ends up in the hands of shop-fronts (cafes, shops, supermarkets, etc). What are you going to spend your extra $540 a year on? Will it be work for your property, car maintenance or more likely a night out, fuel, food or existing debt?


He asked how a tax cut enabled Dave to hire more people given his wage is pre-tax. I highlighted that the cost of hiring is more than just a wage and in a lot of industries.

If a company gets a 5% tax cut on profit of $2m, they’ve gained $100k per year without impacting profit. The assumption is that a proportion of companies would reinvest this into the business creating more jobs without impacting their bottom line. I.e Dave now has $100k to buy equipment for a new starter without his take-home being affected. He can either bank the $100k, or he employs the new guy that provides him with further increased profits.

Dave takes the 100k and buys a HSV. You idiot. You total loving moron.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Dutton's new power grab he won't have soon and the ALP can use without having to try and convince the electorate it's good.

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

Laserface posted:

Dave takes the 100k and buys a HSV. You idiot. You total loving moron.

Yes but that's a car that's made in Australia, thus encouraging both local consumption and supporting the local manufa-


wait

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




So the former Young Liberal I know from uni now writes for the Daily Mail and AAP; she was writing a story about the $10k cash payment ban in the budget and asked for any public opinions she could quote.

The first response was a 'former adviser to two federal Coalition cabinet ministerrs and a Liberal state premier' who said "Taxation is theft. You can quote me on that. Also, public money is stolen money"

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

NTRabbit posted:

The first response was a 'former adviser to two federal Coalition cabinet ministerrs and a Liberal state premier' who said "Taxation is theft. You can quote me on that. Also, public money is stolen money"

Then let's stop paying politicians, they seem to be benefiting most from this "theft".

gucci bane
Oct 27, 2008



I like how Australia is doing the flat tax now. I used to laugh at that crazy poo poo when it was floated by US republicans.

Digiwizzard
Dec 23, 2003


Pork Pro
Our head of concentration camps is now also the head of secret police.

Digiwizzard
Dec 23, 2003


Pork Pro

Pinball Jizzard posted:

Tax cuts for small business is definitely not the only way and probably not the best way. But it is a way and one which is not difficult to implement or balance. Where else do you throw your tax cuts?

I’d rather see it go to small business than corporations or the individual. I dislike the idea of giving to the individual because it doesn’t necessarily support industries equally but instead primarily ends up in the hands of shop-fronts (cafes, shops, supermarkets, etc). What are you going to spend your extra $540 a year on? Will it be work for your property, car maintenance or more likely a night out, fuel, food or existing debt?


He asked how a tax cut enabled Dave to hire more people given his wage is pre-tax. I highlighted that the cost of hiring is more than just a wage and in a lot of industries.

If a company gets a 5% tax cut on profit of $2m, they’ve gained $100k per year without impacting profit. The assumption is that a proportion of companies would reinvest this into the business creating more jobs without impacting their bottom line. I.e Dave now has $100k to buy equipment for a new starter without his take-home being affected. He can either bank the $100k, or he employs the new guy that provides him with further increased profits.

Looking at the US, the massive windfall corporations got from the recent tax cuts has mostly been pissed away going into deeper debt to buyback their own stocks.

It turns out institutions that are solely devoted to short term profit are actually recklessly stupid, and can't really be trusted to manage money responsibly.

KennyTheFish
Jan 13, 2004

Pinball Jizzard posted:

Tax cuts for small business is definitely not the only way and probably not the best way. But it is a way and one which is not difficult to implement or balance. Where else do you throw your tax cuts?

I’d rather see it go to small business than corporations or the individual. I dislike the idea of giving to the individual because it doesn’t necessarily support industries equally but instead primarily ends up in the hands of shop-fronts (cafes, shops, supermarkets, etc). What are you going to spend your extra $540 a year on? Will it be work for your property, car maintenance or more likely a night out, fuel, food or existing debt?


He asked how a tax cut enabled Dave to hire more people given his wage is pre-tax. I highlighted that the cost of hiring is more than just a wage and in a lot of industries.

If a company gets a 5% tax cut on profit of $2m, they’ve gained $100k per year without impacting profit. The assumption is that a proportion of companies would reinvest this into the business creating more jobs without impacting their bottom line. I.e Dave now has $100k to buy equipment for a new starter without his take-home being affected. He can either bank the $100k, or he employs the new guy that provides him with further increased profits.

Don't cut the tax at all. Why is the assumption that government revenue is too high when it is already not meeting expenditure? As for putting more money in the hands of individuals not supporting industries equally. People spending more in cafes and shopfronts means those stores have to hire more to meet that demand. increasing employment. It would actually achieve the stated goal as opposed to their implementation which doesn't.

Business does not hire because they can afford to. Business hires because there is demand to be met and they see a profit in meeting it. The question of how they get the capital for that expansion comes after the question of is the demand there and sustainable. There is absolutely no evidence that there is a massive unrealised desire for investment in business expansion in this country that can not be met at the moment.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Laserface posted:

Dave takes the 100k and buys a HSV. You idiot. You total loving moron.

This is exactly what will happen

trunkh
Jan 31, 2011



Anidav posted:

This is exactly what will happen

And the said HSV isn't even able to be designed and built here anymore. What a great outcome for Australia all round.

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Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Minister asked for figures on infrastructure spend the day before budget announcement.

Today. No infrastructure numbers in the budget.

Uhhh.

What is this? A budget for idiots?
A set up to make it hard for the next government?

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