Radish posted:

Someone at the Times has a really troubling agenda. More than just typical right wing crap, they REALLY want to push the idea that far right social opinions are not only normal but also persecuted.

Trump's presidency has given a lot of people the feeling that they can finally be open with their real feelings and the New York Times seems to be no different.

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Yep!

My favorite thing is that games end up telling amazing stories. It's basically a conspiracy theory generator.

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

its not a secret or anything, the Times views itself as the paper of record; the editorial page is supposed to reflect a broad spectrum of views (except those of dirty hippies). It's also not a secret who's driving it; it's privately held by the Sulzbergers.

Phone posted:

The agenda is page views, it's cynical bullshit. The NYT drives revenue off of everyone sharing "hey check out this reactionary drivel"; that's the purpose of it.

Flip Yr Wig posted:

Can someone just cut and paste that Bari Weiss piece for me? I'm morbidly curious but really don't want to reward NYT with my precious precious click for that bullshit.

Flip Yr Wig posted:

Can someone just cut and paste that Bari Weiss piece for me? I'm morbidly curious but really don't want to reward NYT with my precious precious click for that bullshit.

The Muppets On PCP posted:

I get the appeal of the I.D.W. I share the belief that our institutional gatekeepers need to crack the gates open much more. I don’t, however, want to live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers at all. Given how influential this group is becoming, I can’t be alone in hoping the I.D.W. finds a way to eschew the cranks, grifters and bigots and sticks to the truth-seeking.

Flip Yr Wig posted:

Can someone just cut and paste that Bari Weiss piece for me? I'm morbidly curious but really don't want to reward NYT with my precious precious click for that bullshit.

Radish posted:

Just the words don't do it justice you need to see the cool photographs they shot of these guys in badass poses to get the real bullshit.

But yeah you don't need to reward them for it.

The Bret Weinstein/Heather Heying ones being all dark in the woods are pretty hilarious.

Phone posted:

NYT posted:

A year ago, Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying were respected tenured professors at Evergreen State College, where their Occupy Wall Street-sympathetic politics were well in tune with the school’s progressive ethos. Today they have left their jobs, lost many of their friends and endangered their reputations.

All this because they opposed a “Day of Absence,” in which white students were asked to leave campus for the day. For questioning a day of racial segregation cloaked in progressivism, the pair was smeared as racist. Following threats, they left town for a time with their children and ultimately resigned their jobs.

“Nobody else reacted. That’s what shocked me,” Mr. Weinstein said. “It told me that a culture that told itself it was radically open-minded was actually a culture cowed by fear.”

Radish posted:

What's the full story on those two anyway? Searching for them brings up a bunch of right wing sites which I am not clicking on.

This segment from the article:


seems entirely vague on purpose. I did see on wikipedia that apparently they got half a million in damages which is left out of that article.

quote:

Tensions came to a head in mid-April, when someone—we still don’t know who—made public an e-mail from Weinstein to Love. In his message, Weinstein criticized a new spin on Evergreen’s annual “Day of Absence,” an event dating back to the 1970s, in which students, faculty, and staff of color are invited to leave campus to participate in race and equity workshops while white participants attend similar panels on campus. The groups later reunite for a “Day of Presence,” in which all participants discuss how to create a more supportive campus. This year, white students, staff, and faculty were invited to participate in the off-campus event.

In his e-mail, Weinstein wrote that the spin was "a show of force and an act of oppression in and of itself” for asking white students, faculty, and staff to "go away." Love responded to his e-mail by emphasizing that the event was voluntary and invited him to talk further in-person. Love said Weinstein never took her up on the offer.

Despite Weinstein’s criticisms, the “Day of Absence” saw 200 white students, staff, and faculty participate in the off-campus workshops on April 12, said Love. The event was so popular that the organizing committee had to create a waitlist and eventually turn away some eager participants, she said.

aware of dog posted:

The event was not at all a "day of racial segregation," and Weinstein's sensationalism contributed to harassment of students and professors.

aware of dog posted:

Much like the rest of the article, it's incredibly disingenuous:


The event was not at all a "day of racial segregation," and Weinstein's sensationalism contributed to harassment of students and professors.

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

I think we would all be better off on the left if we lambasted anti-free speech college students and their antics on campuses.

boner confessor posted:

i think we'd all be better off if we generally cared less about what teenagers thought or did

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

Welcome to 2018: Where everything done in public is now deconstructed and analyzed on the Internet within days of it happening.

I certainly agree with you, but we've reached a tipping point where every single thing is weaponized by each side to prove their point.

boner confessor posted:

you're not compelled by law to care about the things your ideological opponents want you to care about

but also i disagree with your original point, which is that "we on the left should make fun of leftist college students because reasons" when its like, no, let's generally not try to make fun of teens making political statements? i dunno why you would concede this point to people who want to legitimately attack free speech by projecting their issues onto teens. dont let yourself get manipulated like that

DreamShipWrecked posted:

My favorite part about the Intellectial Dark Web thing is because these right wing nuts think it's something super cool and edgy hacker thing when it's just a way to anonymously buy drugs and kiddy porn.

You don't go on the darknet if you want someone to hear what you are doing, you specifically go there so they don't.

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

I talk to moderates all the time, and I even consider myself in a liberal college town bubble, but these college students shutting down speakers is not good PR for the left and turns off a lot of moderates who agree with a lot of the left's ideas.

I agree, college students should be engaged politically, I just don't agree with their tactics. You're essentially telling college students that they should just keep feeding the trolls. I trust you've been around long enough on the Internet to know that you never feed trolls.

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

I talk to moderates all the time, and I even consider myself in a liberal college town bubble, but these college students shutting down speakers is not good PR for the left and turns off a lot of moderates who agree with a lot of the left's ideas.

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

I agree, college students should be engaged politically, I just don't agree with their tactics. You're essentially telling college students that they should just keep feeding the trolls. I trust you've been around long enough on the Internet to know that you never feed trolls.

DreamShipWrecked posted:

Basically the best kind of press we can get is for Richard Spencer types to hold speeches and no one shows up. If it didn't cost 500,000 dollars to do one of those it would be perfect.

Radish posted:

What's the full story on those two anyway?

boner confessor posted:

please stop agreeing with the right wing that harmless college student behavior is actually a problem worthy of consideration. they are exploiting your prejudices and shame. 'moderates' who get bent out of shape about college students protesting are bad allies


please do not apply internet level sociology to irl actions. i know now you're going to say "it's tyool 2018 and we're all on the internet blah blah". this train of thought is decades old at this point and it's still dumb. if provocative speakers are speaking on campuses as a deliberate troll as you imply then it is good and proper to shut them down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIpuS8vTBts

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

Comments like this are why the left sucks at politics! Good going!

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

Clearly the left should be protesting even harder so public universities go even more broke allowing these idiots to speak. That will teach them!

boner confessor posted:

have you seen what richard spencer has been up to recently? or milo? did ignoring them make this happen?

DreamShipWrecked posted:

Uh Spencer has done basically jack poo poo and Milo is a disgraced unemployed pedophile apologist so yes?

boner confessor posted:

do you have a rebuttal or are you just trying to shame me into agreeing with you because i pointed out that you are being emotionally manipulated and you dont like that


Please Be Less Mad Online

boner confessor posted:

hey, my point is they weren't ignored. milo was literally shouted out of a bar by leftists a few weeks ago

if you want to say "ignore them until they go away" then dont bring up richard spencer, who was consistently opposed and shouted at and then he went away

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

I'm not mad at all - I just think it's really silly to shine a spotlight on idiots like Richard Spencer. You'd rather encourage wall-to-wall coverage of them instead.

DreamShipWrecked posted:

Spencer didn't go away because he was protested, he went away because he was holding hundred thousand dollar rallies that six people would attend.

DreamShipWrecked posted:

I'm not saying not to protest them, I'm saying that stopping them from saying anything is just feeding into their oppression complex.

boner confessor posted:

"people need to not feed the trolls, and be emotionally tough" claims man who immediately crumbles when another person claims that they have apparent hangups about college students saying words and doing things

anyway spencer is the literal posterboy for "the punched nazi" so, you're wrong

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

I should have checked your rap sheet before I even bothered responding to any of your garbage.