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Radish posted:Someone at the Times has a really troubling agenda. More than just typical right wing crap, they REALLY want to push the idea that far right social opinions are not only normal but also persecuted.
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its not a secret or anything, the Times views itself as the paper of record; the editorial page is supposed to reflect a broad spectrum of views (except those of dirty hippies). It's also not a secret who's driving it; it's privately held by the Sulzbergers.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Yep! I wish this game would come back but all the creator’s store seems to sell now is a million versions of loving Munchkin
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:its not a secret or anything, the Times views itself as the paper of record; the editorial page is supposed to reflect a broad spectrum of views (except those of dirty hippies). It's also not a secret who's driving it; it's privately held by the Sulzbergers. They're not doing that though. All of their conservative columnists are Never Trump people, which represent maybe 5% of the GOP base, and overall less than 1% of the entirety of American conservativism. If they really wanted to reflect a broad spectrum of views, they'd have a socialist, and a rabid Trump supporter. But they're terrified of showing their readers (who want to believe that a reasonable, thoughtful conservative movement still exists) the truth of this world, because the truth is their readers are part of the problem.
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Phone posted:The agenda is page views, it's cynical bullshit. The NYT drives revenue off of everyone sharing "hey check out this reactionary drivel"; that's the purpose of it. i don't think they supported invading iraq for clickbait purposes
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they were ahead of the curve of "you won't believe what happens next" type clickbait, open your eyes mannnnn e: lmbo https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/993840318515728384 Phone fucked around with this message at 15:48 on May 8, 2018 |
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one weird trick to destabilize an entire region
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Iraqis hate him! Check out this one weird trick the Vice President used to falsify a reason to invade another country with complicity from the press. Edit: you jerk
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Can someone just cut and paste that Bari Weiss piece for me? I'm morbidly curious but really don't want to reward NYT with my precious precious click for that bullshit.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Can someone just cut and paste that Bari Weiss piece for me? I'm morbidly curious but really don't want to reward NYT with my precious precious click for that bullshit. Just the words don't do it justice you need to see the cool photographs they shot of these guys in badass poses to get the real bullshit. But yeah you don't need to reward them for it. The Bret Weinstein/Heather Heying ones being all dark in the woods are pretty hilarious. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:08 on May 8, 2018 |
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Can someone just cut and paste that Bari Weiss piece for me? I'm morbidly curious but really don't want to reward NYT with my precious precious click for that bullshit. I get the appeal of the I.D.W. I share the belief that our institutional gatekeepers need to crack the gates open much more. I don’t, however, want to live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers at all. Given how influential this group is becoming, I can’t be alone in hoping the I.D.W. finds a way to eschew the cranks, grifters and bigots and sticks to the truth-seeking.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:I get the appeal of the I.D.W. I share the belief that our institutional gatekeepers need to crack the gates open much more. I don’t, however, want to live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers at all. Given how influential this group is becoming, I can’t be alone in hoping the I.D.W. finds a way to eschew the cranks, grifters and bigots and sticks to the truth-seeking. Lol They're nothing but cranks, grifters and bigots
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Can someone just cut and paste that Bari Weiss piece for me? I'm morbidly curious but really don't want to reward NYT with my precious precious click for that bullshit.
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Radish posted:Just the words don't do it justice you need to see the cool photographs they shot of these guys in badass poses to get the real bullshit. https://twitter.com/eastwes/status/993858171201576962 Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 16:13 on May 8, 2018 |
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Ollie North has been named head of the NRA. Today's gonna be fun on talk radio
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What's the full story on those two anyway? Searching for them brings up a bunch of right wing sites which I am not clicking on. This segment from the article: NYT posted:A year ago, Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying were respected tenured professors at Evergreen State College, where their Occupy Wall Street-sympathetic politics were well in tune with the school’s progressive ethos. Today they have left their jobs, lost many of their friends and endangered their reputations. seems entirely vague on purpose. I did see on wikipedia that apparently they got half a million in damages which is left out of that article.
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Radish posted:What's the full story on those two anyway? Searching for them brings up a bunch of right wing sites which I am not clicking on. Much like the rest of the article, it's incredibly disingenuous: quote:Tensions came to a head in mid-April, when someone—we still don’t know who—made public an e-mail from Weinstein to Love. In his message, Weinstein criticized a new spin on Evergreen’s annual “Day of Absence,” an event dating back to the 1970s, in which students, faculty, and staff of color are invited to leave campus to participate in race and equity workshops while white participants attend similar panels on campus. The groups later reunite for a “Day of Presence,” in which all participants discuss how to create a more supportive campus. This year, white students, staff, and faculty were invited to participate in the off-campus event. The event was not at all a "day of racial segregation," and Weinstein's sensationalism contributed to harassment of students and professors. aware of dog fucked around with this message at 16:37 on May 8, 2018 |
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lol at describing joe rogan as an intellectual. he's pothead art bell
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aware of dog posted:The event was not at all a "day of racial segregation," and Weinstein's sensationalism contributed to harassment of students and professors. I think we would all be better off on the left if we lambasted anti-free speech college students and their antics on campuses. Yes, I know most of it is over-sensationalized. Edit: I hate that the NY Times article mentions Rubin. He's useless.
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aware of dog posted:Much like the rest of the article, it's incredibly disingenuous: So basically white students were given the voluntary option of skipping class as a showing of support for their POC classmates and that is somehow RAHOWA. I should just set a filter for "free speech" because it is practically a chud signifier at this point.
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:I think we would all be better off on the left if we lambasted anti-free speech college students and their antics on campuses. i think we'd all be better off if we generally cared less about what teenagers thought or did
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boner confessor posted:i think we'd all be better off if we generally cared less about what teenagers thought or did Welcome to 2018: Where everything done in public is now deconstructed and analyzed on the Internet within days of it happening. I certainly agree with you, but we've reached a tipping point where every single thing is weaponized by each side to prove their point.
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:Welcome to 2018: Where everything done in public is now deconstructed and analyzed on the Internet within days of it happening. you're not compelled by law to care about the things your ideological opponents want you to care about but also i disagree with your original point, which is that "we on the left should make fun of leftist college students because reasons" when its like, no, let's generally not try to make fun of teens making political statements? i dunno why you would concede this point to people who want to legitimately attack free speech by projecting their issues onto teens. dont let yourself get manipulated like that
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My favorite part about the Intellectial Dark Web thing is because these right wing nuts think it's something super cool and edgy hacker thing when it's just a way to anonymously buy drugs and kiddy porn. You don't go on the darknet if you want someone to hear what you are doing, you specifically go there so they don't.
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Only may favorite weird left twitter posters should go to college because they're the only ones that consistently own the alt-right.
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boner confessor posted:you're not compelled by law to care about the things your ideological opponents want you to care about I talk to moderates all the time, and I even consider myself in a liberal college town bubble, but these college students shutting down speakers is not good PR for the left and turns off a lot of moderates who agree with a lot of the left's ideas. I agree, college students should be engaged politically, I just don't agree with their tactics. You're essentially telling college students that they should just keep feeding the trolls. I trust you've been around long enough on the Internet to know that you never feed trolls. DreamShipWrecked posted:My favorite part about the Intellectial Dark Web thing is because these right wing nuts think it's something super cool and edgy hacker thing when it's just a way to anonymously buy drugs and kiddy porn. Yeah, the article's entire premise is a bit silly - you can't tell me somebody making $80k a year on Patreon is being silenced. Your average person would lose their livelihood if they chose to engage in unfettered free speech. Corb3t fucked around with this message at 17:42 on May 8, 2018 |
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:I talk to moderates all the time, and I even consider myself in a liberal college town bubble, but these college students shutting down speakers is not good PR for the left and turns off a lot of moderates who agree with a lot of the left's ideas. Basically the best kind of press we can get is for Richard Spencer types to hold speeches and no one shows up. If it didn't cost 500,000 dollars to do one of those it would be perfect. We want these dudes to be standing on corners aimlessly screaming at people who don't care. It turns them from "oppressed" to proper nutjobs.
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:I talk to moderates all the time, and I even consider myself in a liberal college town bubble, but these college students shutting down speakers is not good PR for the left and turns off a lot of moderates who agree with a lot of the left's ideas. please stop agreeing with the right wing that harmless college student behavior is actually a problem worthy of consideration. they are exploiting your prejudices and shame. 'moderates' who get bent out of shape about college students protesting are bad allies Bag of Sun Chips posted:I agree, college students should be engaged politically, I just don't agree with their tactics. You're essentially telling college students that they should just keep feeding the trolls. I trust you've been around long enough on the Internet to know that you never feed trolls. please do not apply internet level sociology to irl actions. i know now you're going to say "it's tyool 2018 and we're all on the internet blah blah". this train of thought is decades old at this point and it's still dumb. if provocative speakers are speaking on campuses as a deliberate troll as you imply then it is good and proper to shut them down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIpuS8vTBts DreamShipWrecked posted:Basically the best kind of press we can get is for Richard Spencer types to hold speeches and no one shows up. If it didn't cost 500,000 dollars to do one of those it would be perfect. have you seen what richard spencer has been up to recently? or milo? did ignoring them make this happen?
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Radish posted:What's the full story on those two anyway? The fact that there's not much of an ideological common thread running through most of the people mentioned should be revealing. Harris got his start a while ago, Rogan's show isn't really politically-focused, the rest can be summed up as people who drew the ire of progressive activists for one reason or another and parlayed it into a media career on the Internet. That phenomenon is probably more important than the specific people involved, and as with Peterson, I suspect the interest in what they have to say is VERY cherry-picked. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 17:46 on May 8, 2018 |
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boner confessor posted:please stop agreeing with the right wing that harmless college student behavior is actually a problem worthy of consideration. they are exploiting your prejudices and shame. 'moderates' who get bent out of shape about college students protesting are bad allies Comments like this are why the left sucks at politics! Good going!
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Clearly the left should be protesting even harder so public universities lose even more money allowing these idiots to speak. Who doesn't love higher tuition? That will teach them!
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:Comments like this are why the left sucks at politics! Good going! do you have a rebuttal or are you just trying to shame me into agreeing with you because i pointed out that you are being emotionally manipulated and you dont like that Bag of Sun Chips posted:Clearly the left should be protesting even harder so public universities go even more broke allowing these idiots to speak. That will teach them! Please Be Less Mad Online
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boner confessor posted:have you seen what richard spencer has been up to recently? or milo? did ignoring them make this happen? Uh Spencer has done basically jack poo poo and Milo is a disgraced unemployed pedophile apologist so yes?
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Uh Spencer has done basically jack poo poo and Milo is a disgraced unemployed pedophile apologist so yes? hey, my point is they weren't ignored. milo was literally shouted out of a bar by leftists a few weeks ago if you want to say "ignore them until they go away" then dont bring up richard spencer, who was consistently opposed and shouted at and then he went away
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boner confessor posted:do you have a rebuttal or are you just trying to shame me into agreeing with you because i pointed out that you are being emotionally manipulated and you dont like that I'm not mad at all - I just think it's really silly to shine a spotlight on idiots like Richard Spencer. You'd rather encourage wall-to-wall coverage of them instead.
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boner confessor posted:hey, my point is they weren't ignored. milo was literally shouted out of a bar by leftists a few weeks ago Spencer didn't go away because he was protested, he went away because he was holding hundred thousand dollar rallies that six people would attend. I'm not saying not to protest them, I'm saying that stopping them from saying anything is just feeding into their oppression complex.
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:I'm not mad at all - I just think it's really silly to shine a spotlight on idiots like Richard Spencer. You'd rather encourage wall-to-wall coverage of them instead. "people need to not feed the trolls, and be emotionally tough" claims man who immediately crumbles when another person claims that they have apparent hangups about college students saying words and doing things anyway spencer is the literal posterboy for "the punched nazi" so, you're wrong
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Spencer didn't go away because he was protested, he went away because he was holding hundred thousand dollar rallies that six people would attend. only six people attended because the protests forced the rally to be held at extremely remote but technically on campus locations. spencer himself blamed the protest for the tiny attendance https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/03/05/richard-spencer-michigan-state/397727002/ DreamShipWrecked posted:I'm not saying not to protest them, I'm saying that stopping them from saying anything is just feeding into their oppression complex. ok. feed their oppression complex then. they are fragile idiots. it is still good and useful to protest them
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boner confessor posted:"people need to not feed the trolls, and be emotionally tough" claims man who immediately crumbles when another person claims that they have apparent hangups about college students saying words and doing things I should have checked your rap sheet before I even bothered responding to any of your garbage.
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:I should have checked your rap sheet before I even bothered responding to any of your garbage. you should also put me on ignore now if you collapse into angry invective when i point out your argument is bad and wrong. just dont even read my posts if you can't handle it
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