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causticBeet
Mar 2, 2010

BIG VINCE COMIN FOR YOU

Super Rad posted:

Sticky napalm + shackles remains one of, if not the most broken combos in AD

Dusa mana shield + storm overcharge is broken as hell since a toggle triggers the buff

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lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017

octobernight posted:

I have never thought about that but it sounds so amazing/ridiculous!


It's great, but people will usually block cuz it's been around for a while. Also, I've seen people get sticky napalm/ion shell/rot/rocket barrage/etc... but it seems like the sticky napalm builds fall off once the game goes on for a bit. I'm looking for newer combos that have come about due to talents/aghs upgrades. I recently had an amazing build with marksmanship and burning spears. It was okay at first, but with an aghs scepter, you bounce burning spears to every target. It becomes murderous in team fights.

Swashbuckle + a lot of things can be pretty funny.

Super Rad
Feb 15, 2003
Sir Loin of Beef
I wonder if there ever was a way to partner the Medusa talent that lets split shot proc attack modifiers with Morphling being able to become a melee hero by morphing into TB and then have split shot bashes.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
Speaking of which, some tidbits that are worth knowing:

- Marksmanship aghs split applies onhits
- As does Morphling's waveform with his talent
- As does Monkey King's staff slam
- As does Swashbuckle
- Sven cleave (and all other skill-based cleaves) work just fine on ranged heroes
- Enchant Totem + Staff Slam = 900% of your base damage + primary stat-based damage.
- You can infest Lycan's wolves and apply rot/omni slow/ion shell/etc. while invisible
- Decrepify + Natural Order + Life Break = anyone without bonus magic resistance instantly dies irregardless of health. Known for a good while so its hard to grab + Linkens and Lotus make it less reliable.
- Dispersion works on self-inflicted damage. The only exception I've found is Suicide Squad, which is a shame.
- all of the recent heroes and new skills are really badly coded; Morphling's adaptation will sometimes permanently steal passive skills even after the duration ends (until you die), and Bedlam's coded as a normal skill with three levels (this is more relevant to custom game modes where you can pick Bedlam by itself).
- Arcane Orb + Swashbuckle is disgusting.
- if you find yourself with Drow Ranger and Shadow Realm is available, always take it. You can become perpetually untargetable (may require Octarine).
- Bane + Focus Fire + Nightmare = you will literally never lose a 1v1 ever. Especially once you get aghs.

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 23, 2018

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017

Neurolimal posted:


- Sven cleave (and all other skill-based cleaves) work just fine on ranged heroes

How does this work? Does it target in front of you, or does it just target where the projectile lands?

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

lobster22221 posted:

How does this work? Does it target in front of you, or does it just target where the projectile lands?

The cone will be on the other side of your target (relative to your position) when the projectile hits.

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017

Neurolimal posted:

The cone will be in the other side of your target (relative to your position).

Ah, cool.

There is a video out there of swashbuckle + caustic finale. If you target a hero inside creeps its pretty funny. Luna's glaives also works with swashbuckle.

octobernight
Nov 25, 2004
High Priest of the Christian-Atheist Church

Neurolimal posted:

Speaking of which, some tidbits that are worth knowing:

- Marksmanship aghs split applies onhits
- As does Morphling's waveform with his talent
- As does Monkey King's staff slam
- As does Swashbuckle
- Sven cleave (and all other skill-based cleaves) work just fine on ranged heroes
- Enchant Totem + Staff Slam = 900% of your base damage + primary stat-based damage.
- You can infest Lycan's wolves and apply rot/omni slow/ion shell/etc. while invisible
- Decrepify + Natural Order + Life Break = anyone without bonus magic resistance instantly dies irregardless of health. Known for a good while so its hard to grab + Linkens and Lotus make it less reliable.
- Dispersion works on self-inflicted damage. The only exception I've found is Suicide Squad, which is a shame.
- all of the recent heroes and new skills are really badly coded; Morphling's adaptation will sometimes permanently steal passive skills even after the duration ends (until you die), and Bedlam's coded as a normal skill with three levels (this is more relevant to custom game modes where you can pick Bedlam by itself).
- Arcane Orb + Swashbuckle is disgusting.
- if you find yourself with Drow Ranger and Shadow Realm is available, always take it. You can become perpetually untargetable (may require Octarine).
- Bane + Focus Fire + Nightmare = you will literally never lose a 1v1 ever. Especially once you get aghs.

These are great tips, and what I was hoping for. I never saw Monkey King's skills in AD, though. Is he/his skills in there? Also, Drow is top tier hero in AD only because of her level 25 talent. We played against a Drow that used Reaper's Scythe as a casual stun because it was on a 9 second cooldown with Octarine and 100% uptime on Dark Pact.

Other weird interaction that I still haven't figured out is the aghs upgrade with calldown. I've gotten it on both on other heroes but I never seem to get the side gunner upgrade even though its listed on calldown. Maybe the aghs upgrade is tied specifically to gryo's model+his ultimate, or is it tied only to Gryo's model, like NightStalker's unobstructed vision.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
MK is probably not in AD because of having 5 skills, most of those tips are from experience playing Legends of Dota but should apply just fine in AD.

Sidegunner is tied to Gyro himself, yeah. Similarly Silencer's int steal is tied to Silencer, and unobstructed day/night vision to KotL/Night Stalker.

DNK
Sep 18, 2004

Silencer should be removed from AD as a base hero because that passive is too disgustingly good. His other base stat gains are great, too!

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

DNK posted:

Silencer should be removed from AD as a base hero because that passive is too disgustingly good. His other base stat gains are great, too!

Yeah, it was turned unto a separate skill in LoDR and he's still a popular pick for int carry builds because of his solid agi growth and decent attack animation.

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

Neurolimal posted:

If you see an opportunity to get Power Cogs and Rolling Thunder you should jump on that ASAP.

this owns and is the second most annoying thing i've been against in AD

#1 was the guy who took rearm and undying's tombstone

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017
If mk was somehow in AD, his ult would probably be hilarious. boundless strike too. The wiki says both work with attack modifiers. I wonder if it would work with Juxtapose.

lohli
Jun 30, 2008

octobernight posted:

Also, Drow is top tier hero in AD only because of her level 25 talent.

How do things like ability-specific talents work?

If you take the Gust knockback/distance talent does it apply the bonus to the ability in Gust's regular slot or is it a wasted talent?

DNK
Sep 18, 2004

MK Ult and a ranged hero with Take Aim would be pretty funny. I think they acquire targets outside of the circle if they have range on it.

lobster22221
Jul 11, 2017

DNK posted:

MK Ult and a ranged hero with Take Aim would be pretty funny. I think they acquire targets outside of the circle if they have range on it.

Would MK ult work with infernal blade?

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

lohli posted:

How do things like ability-specific talents work?

If you take the Gust knockback/distance talent does it apply the bonus to the ability in Gust's regular slot or is it a wasted talent?

Wasted talent if you dont have the skill, unfortunately.

octobernight
Nov 25, 2004
High Priest of the Christian-Atheist Church

Neurolimal posted:

MK is probably not in AD because of having 5 skills, most of those tips are from experience playing Legends of Dota but should apply just fine in AD.

Sidegunner is tied to Gyro himself, yeah. Similarly Silencer's int steal is tied to Silencer, and unobstructed day/night vision to KotL/Night Stalker.

Wow, so Gyro is one of the strongest AD heroes in the game then, up there with Silencer, KotL, and Night Stalker. Do you have to draft Call Down to get side gunner?

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

octobernight posted:

Wow, so Gyro is one of the strongest AD heroes in the game then, up there with Silencer, KotL, and Night Stalker. Do you have to draft Call Down to get side gunner?

Nope, just buy aghs.

Whaleporn
May 6, 2007

This is me on my bike pretty cool huh?
AD stuff: You need to draft flack cannon to get the aghs upgrade on gyro, also it wont work when you first buy it you have to respawn.

Swashbuckle is a first round draft, usually snapped up 3rd or 4th because its an aoe nuke, mid range escape, and has a lot of combo capacity (desolate, mana break, glaives, arcane orb, burning spears though this hurts the caster ALOT if they hit a bunch of things with the toggle on, flash farm with caustic finale).

Things like sticky and aftershock are often good early picks because you can grab 1 skill that forces the enemy to grab up to 5 sub par skills in the first and second round to counter you and they are, on their own, really strong. I wouldn't take swashbuckle over perma invis, suchi, aftershock, thirst, webs, or burrow strike... but it's a very strong all rounder skill and usually is something you want to force the enemy to build more cores then there are places to farm.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
Bumping for a XYCLOPZ solo cast on bts rn. Extremely good.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
"Crazy team fight on the top lane, everyvody teleporting in... Kind of like living in Bangkok, hard to avoid joining the party - my suggestion to you is to buy a plane ticket and come to Bangkok... Watch Dota all of the day time and party all of the night time" -xyclopz

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
My fav XYCLOPZ line is "they are destroying the baracks... Baracks Obama ... You are missing him now" lmfao

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
Mark my words XYCLOPZ is the VIN Scully of dota / espprts.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
dota casting, lifehacks, political commentary, XYCLOPZ is truly a modern renfaire man

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

XYCLOPZ is my man

gangnam reference
Dec 26, 2010

shut up idiot shut up idiot shut up idiot shut up idiot
this games too easy

BabelFish
Jul 20, 2013

Fallen Rib
https://twitter.com/DOTA2/status/993604500458893312

*sigh* time to be irresponsible with my money again.

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

This will be the first year where I don't buy one. A big part of it is that I still have a ton of junk in my inventory from last year that I can't sell on the market yet. I realize the compendium has always basically been throwing money down a hole to a degree but not being able to sell poo poo made it a little too obvious.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011
Once again I'll try to get as far as possible with only paying for the LVL 1 Compendium, last year I made it to green Kunkka immortal on the very last 10 mins. Even the pubs on my team helped me, what a great dota story to cherish.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
something happened between my relationship with dota and i have lost nearly one thousand mmr.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
i havent learned anything new or changed anything in my play since heroes of newerth so it must be.. in my Mind. i took a long haitus and now i must lose every game. not so bad rly and i dont mind but its interesting

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
maybe one day i will gain my one thousand mmr back. :thunk:

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Smythe posted:

something happened between my relationship with dota and i have lost nearly one thousand mmr.

I went from 5.5k to 4.5k over the course of like 1.5 months. I considered grinding it back up but then I realized I don't care anymore.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

Smythe posted:

maybe one day i will gain my one thousand mmr back. :thunk:

play axe

Mortimer Knag
Nov 23, 2007

turboraton posted:

Once again I'll try to get as far as possible with only paying for the LVL 1 Compendium, last year I made it to green Kunkka immortal on the very last 10 mins. Even the pubs on my team helped me, what a great dota story to cherish.

You play on USeast right? When you play solo ranked, are your teammates always from S America and the enemies always N Americans? Or is it a mix for you? It's just that I've noticed every single game for me it's always an all Spanish speaking enemy team while my team is always all English speaking. It's nice to be able to finally communicate with my whole team every game, but it also really feels like an 'us-vs-them' type thing every game.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011

baby delivery truck posted:

You play on USeast right? When you play solo ranked, are your teammates always from S America and the enemies always N Americans? Or is it a mix for you? It's just that I've noticed every single game for me it's always an all Spanish speaking enemy team while my team is always all English speaking. It's nice to be able to finally communicate with my whole team every game, but it also really feels like an 'us-vs-them' type thing every game.

It's a little bit of everything, been in a S.America vs the World and in a mixture of everything where the teammates assumed I was american since I spoke english. The post-game trashtalk is always amazing.

Mortimer Knag
Nov 23, 2007

turboraton posted:

It's a little bit of everything, been in a S.America vs the World and in a mixture of everything where the teammates assumed I was american since I spoke english. The post-game trashtalk is always amazing.

Yeah, when you say the post-game trashtalk has been amazing, i'm thinking we're talking about the same thing by me saying it fosters an 'us-vs-them' thing every game. Everyone gets rascist as gently caress. So much 'murican rattas' and 'lovely peruvians go play on your own server!" but I never have an english speaking enemy team or anything more than a single bilingual dude on my team. It's just kind of weird that every game seems to be a south vs north america thing.

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
Battle pass is out, two (or three if you count mutations) new game modes, sprays, role-based queues, and all the usual trappings http://www.dota2.com/international/battlepass

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ILL Machina
Mar 25, 2004

:italy: Glory to Italia! :italy:

Ayy!! This text is-a the color of marinara! Ohhhh!! Dat's amore!!

emdash posted:

Battle pass is out, two (or three if you count mutations) new game modes, sprays, role-based queues, and all the usual trappings http://www.dota2.com/international/battlepass

The new tipping system is kinda brilliant, even if you just feed all ten tips to the same friend by contract like the old tips.

ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 00:16 on May 9, 2018

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