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Rasamune posted:So, back when they revealed that Rose Quartz shattered Pink Diamond, I was afraid of them pulling a gotcha like "the assassination wasn't real" or "Pearl did the assassination in Rose's place" because I was afraid that it would invalidate a big part of Steven's character arc by wiping his mother's hands clean of blood Any time people say a particular leak or decision by the creators would RUIN STEVEN UNIVERSE FOREVER, just direct them to this time.
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Is that guy for real or just pretending E: the skinny shaming guy I mean
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May 9, 2018 02:52
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So since even Amethyst can turn into vanilla wedding dress Rose, can someone as big as Jasper turn into one of the bigger Diamonds?
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May 9, 2018 02:53
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Shitenshi posted:So since even Amethyst can turn into vanilla wedding dress Rose, can someone as big as Jasper turn into one of the bigger Diamonds? During the faster than light ride to The Zoo Steven accidentally makes the Crystal Gems diamond size, so more than likely yes. Speaking of which I like that for a second you can see that Pearl-Rose has orange hair, setting up the lighting so that you couldn't tell the difference unless you were really close was a nice touch.
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May 9, 2018 03:10
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Jasper: I was here, you know...at the first battle for this garbage planet. I respected your ability to pass your own armies’ troop movements to your rebel generals who would then perfectly counter our moves as if it were nothing...my Diamond!
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May 9, 2018 03:20
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Stevonnie had a Pink Diamond flashback dream, maybe he's got her memories.
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May 9, 2018 03:54
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So we have the who, what, when and how, we just need the why. A lot of people are seeing PD/Rose as manipulative, running way from her problems, and basically just calling her a lovely person that got a lot of people killed and probably horribly manipulated Pearl. LIke yea, it kinda looks like that right now. Her colony was failing and rather than work to fix it, she either started a revolt or joined one that already existed as Rose. There is probably more but I can't help agree with that from what we just learned. I'm reminded of how Dune starts off being about how Paul Atredies is this great hero who will save the universe, but he turns out to be one of the worst tyrants in history, billions dead in his name and the Imperium now a cruel theocracy when it comes to Dune Messiah.
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May 9, 2018 04:00
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QuoProQuid posted:Maybe, but the framing of the scene ("There's got to be another way," and Rose Quartz's eyeroll in response) suggests that a serious mistake is being made and that Rose Quartz is flippant in disregarding any other solution. The previous flashbacks imply that the Diamonds were willing to allow a give Pink Diamond a great deal of latitude and, while annoyed by her, were at least willing to entertain her various requests. In previous episodes, it did not seem as if Homeworld became an uncompromising, militaristic regime until Pink Diamond's "death." I wouldn't call her selfish. I mean, she saved a planet full of intelligent life and sought to free gems from an oppressive class structure. I suppose you can frame it as her doing all this to live her own dream, but I think that's a cynical point of view. I do agree with her being irresponsible. She thought the rest of the empire was ignoring Earth because it was "just Pink Diamond's planet" and that her "death" would simply end with the Empire writing the whole thing off as a loss, clearly not anticipating the other diamonds coming to avenge her. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 9, 2018 |
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May 9, 2018 04:07
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twistedmentat posted:So we have the who, what, when and how, we just need the why. Well I mean, no, it doesn't just "kinda look like that" to be honest. Like, I don't think many people think she did any of this stuff maliciously or even realized what she was doing, but she absolutely manipulated Pearl, for thousands of years, even past her death. What she did caused the death of a LOT of her fellow gems. Granted I think most of that stuff is also understandable and just kind of the cost of war. But I think the Pearl situation is still very messed up. It makes sense that Pearl was so hosed up by both Rose dying and her falling in love with Greg. It's quite a bit more than an unrequited love situation
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May 9, 2018 04:08
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Comparisons of Rose Quartz to the Scarlet Pimpernel turned out to be pretty accurate I guess.
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May 9, 2018 04:14
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the two sides of the rose coin https://twitter.com/primarina/status/993931775784169472 https://twitter.com/jaydweeeb/status/993901492770816000
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May 9, 2018 04:21
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Bismuth Was Right, but should've expanded her targets sooner.
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May 9, 2018 04:32
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TwoPair posted:I wouldn't call her selfish. I mean, she saved a planet full of intelligent life and sought to free gems from an oppressive class structure. I suppose you can frame it as her doing all this to live her own dream, but I think that's a cynical point of view. Extra hosed up considering she basically assumed the Diamonds who loved her like a bratty little sister or daughter would just write her off after her death, and that assumption led to genocidal war.
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May 9, 2018 04:32
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Macaluso posted:Well I mean, no, it doesn't just "kinda look like that" to be honest. Like, I don't think many people think she did any of this stuff maliciously or even realized what she was doing, but she absolutely manipulated Pearl, for thousands of years, even past her death. What she did caused the death of a LOT of her fellow gems. True, it does make her look irresponsible at least.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Extra hosed up considering she basically assumed the Diamonds who loved her like a bratty little sister or daughter would just write her off after her death, and that assumption led to genocidal war. If she felt her sisters didn't care that much for her, is that really her fault? EDIT: Pink Diamond decided to kill herself and just like most suicide victims, she failed to take into account the repercussions of her act because she thought no one would care. lunar detritus fucked around with this message at 04:43 on May 9, 2018 |
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twistedmentat posted:So we have the who, what, when and how, we just need the why. Well, not really, given Paul's very first vision of the future is of the Fremen spreading over the galaxy killing everyone in his name and he's caught between using this power for his own benefit and desperately trying to avert it.
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May 9, 2018 04:38
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There's an Always Sunny title riff in here somewhere.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Extra hosed up considering she basically assumed the Diamonds who loved her like a bratty little sister or daughter would just write her off after her death, and that assumption led to genocidal war. The war was already going on, it just continued after the fact for a while and eventually they've won, but as Pearl said: we've won, they were leaving, but we dind't expect that...
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May 9, 2018 04:45
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twistedmentat posted:
This is not what I got at all from that scene. The implication of it all seemed to me to be that the colony was failing because she was sabotaging it. She got it, but saw humans and her gems and decided she didn't want to commit genocide and tried to do everything she could to make the colony look completely nonviable, so that the other diamonds would accept abandoning it. Except they didn't.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Extra hosed up considering she basically assumed the Diamonds who loved her like a bratty little sister or daughter would just write her off after her death, and that assumption led to genocidal war. It wasn't even about how the other Diamonds felt about PD. Revealing that the Diamonds were not inviolate, and that rebellion could succeed (even if it was completely fake) could not be tolerated. An empire has absolute power or no power, there isn't any middle ground. Feelings about PD probably didn't matter to anyone but Blue, and we've seen how she is manipulated because of that. Even then, without ever seeing Pink and Blue interact, we don't know if Blue is feeling for the idea of Pink, or the person of Pink.
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May 9, 2018 05:03
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Pink was kind of runty and underpowered as a diamond, but she made a kickass rose quartz.
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May 9, 2018 05:18
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How did Jasper not recognize Pearl?
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thatbastardken posted:Pink was kind of runty and underpowered as a diamond, but she made a kickass rose quartz. Largely because as Rose Quartz she did this whole crazy thing where she figured out a bunch of powers that the other diamonds probably never even knew about. By being willing to change and be different, she developed. I gotta say, even if I'm not really feeling too jazzed on the particulars of this big reveal, it sure is a great way to flesh out the rest of Rose Quartz's character real fast. We already knew she was a bit mercurial and had a tendency to do things without really considering consequences, but now we know that she had like a childhood, an abandoned phase of her life where she was a whiny baby before she matured and became the ever-loving, messianic christ figure she was to the Chrystal Gems. They built up a little of how Pink Diamond was, and then bolted it straight onto what little we really knew about Rose. That's some real fast dimensionality right there.
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Oof, viewing numbers are way down for this latest batch of episodes (Can't go back/single pale rose didn't even break a million), but then they're down for every show except Teen Titans Go (and that's why THEY get a movie), so I'm not sure how much that even matters.
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May 9, 2018 05:42
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I have a feeling that Pink Diamond's powers, like every other Gem on Earth were developed accidentally. Outside of the usual cache of Shapeshifting and weapon summoning. Like, maybe when meditating in her Palanquin as an attack was being carried out, she suddenly slipped into the mind of one of the humans at the site and felt it's death firsthand, and started to realise just how hosed up everything she was doing was.
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NewMars posted:To be frank, who watches this stuff on a tv anymore? A good chunk of people just straight up pirate it, which can't help numbers
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May 9, 2018 06:32
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lol @ being so mad at a children's cartoon that you spend 12 minutes vocally bitching about it on the internet.
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guys I just realized pearl got a different number from S' that had a gmail account given too, meaning it is recent. since this is definitely a post-Rose phenomena, do you think it has just been happening for the past ~15-20 ish years, or do you think her getting these notes came post S? Weird thing to focus on I know, but that little detail tells alot. Also the old cell means she has had a phone before (also she is a hoarder secretly too? she just packs everything into drawers and arranges it so no one notices).
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May 9, 2018 07:42
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For some reason I am weirded out that Google exists in Steven Universe.
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May 9, 2018 07:45
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lol @ being so into a childrens cartoon you make a 400 page thread about it
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Doctor Reynolds posted:For some reason I am weirded out that Google exists in Steven Universe. Do you suppose silicon valley is also in Kansas?
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Alopex posted:lol @ being so into a childrens cartoon you make a 400 page thread about it Okay.
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May 9, 2018 08:51
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May 9, 2018 08:53
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Doctor Reynolds posted:For some reason I am weirded out that Google exists in Steven Universe. The "G" in "gmail" stands for "gem"
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I hope that whether or not Greg already knew, he ultimately doesn't see Rose originally being PD as any bigger deal as far as his relationship with her was concerned than that he was originally Greg DeMayo.
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