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Grey's remaining carrier pilots were some of the best pilots he had and the US planes still seem to be doing better 'pound for pound' but I suspect the AI is just really loving bad at managing its forces.
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Gnoman posted:Take a good look at the force correlations, particularly the fighter mix. The Japanese forces have had the force advantage, so their strikes have had much worse numerical odds. The US strike on the 7th went in against more than 2-1 odds in fighters and not even equal numbers overall (44 zeroes vs 21 fighters and 19 attack birds), while the first Japanese strike had near parity in fighters and an overall superiority (42 Zeroes and 95 attack birds vs 49 Hellcats). The US strike cost 6 attack aircraft + one damage (31% shot down, 5% damaged), while the Japanese strike cost 11 destroyed and 31 damaged (11% shot down, 32% damaged). I meant in general, outside of carrier vs. carrier they seem to be much easier for even the lovely Japanese flak to take down. Obviously dive bombers are gonna have problems against opposition in general, but the American carrier bombers never seem to get sturdier airframes like their fighter counterparts.
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The "destroyed by flak" counter is almost always higher for the Japanese than it is for the US. In the most recent post, the Japanese lost 10 times as many. In any case, numbers should matter. I don't know the details of how it is represented in game, but by any logical analysis flak guns are going to have a much easier time dealing with 10 planes than they do with 50.
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May 9, 2018 00:40
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The us ships are loving covered in AA guns.
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May 9, 2018 00:55
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:I like to imagine the carriers were correctly identified by whoever spotted them, but through a series of comical mistakes, deliberate downplaying of the Allied threat, and interference by the perfidious IJA as the report went up the chain of command, the one that ended up on Grey's desk read something like "Two CVEs. At most. Might even just be light cruisers. Or undefended cargo ships. Easy pickings." The infamous reverse-Kurita.
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goatface posted:The us ships are loving covered in AA guns. this is very true to life
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seems like a good time for grey to forget to post for a day or two
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   We have them!  Now that's more like it damage wise!  There is another tense few minutes, but we come through the return strike without taking a hit once more!  This is a good showing against Spitfires.  Then this storm rolls over us.  Down comes a liberator.  There is no CAP for the afternoon attack. Things are now a done deal. The Wasp II seems to have already sunk, and the Yorktown II cannot take these hits this far from base.   I never thought I'd be sinking two fleet carrier without loss (of ships) in 1944! them losing most of their strike planes turned this into a good risk to take.  Nothing here, but the 800 point jump we see today, and all the lost planes, mean we have sunk two carriers! 26/100. (confirmed.)
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May 9, 2018 04:16
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Holly poo poo, I'd be so interested in reading naval history books of that timeline. What a big victory for the IJN.
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May 9, 2018 04:25
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Holy crap, that is one decisive battle. Depending on how the European front is looking, Roosevelt may not win re-election
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May 9, 2018 04:25
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Holy poo poo, I can't believe it loving worked. Now watch, Grey'll get in another artillery duel with a continent or lose a million troops at Chungking because they were all in the wrong mode, or something. 
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May 9, 2018 04:30
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Been looking for an update all day, not disappointed.
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May 9, 2018 04:35
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Five fleet carriers and two light carriers managing to sink two American fleet carriers with no losses of their own seems like something that the Japanese couldn't have ever pulled off in 1944 in real life. You seriously picked this engagement really well, Grey.
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May 9, 2018 04:37
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YES... HA HA HA... YES!!!
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May 9, 2018 04:38
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RZApublican posted:something that the Japanese couldn't have ever pulled off in
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May 9, 2018 04:38
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Was this the turn you were so absorbed in last week Grey, you dirty tease
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May 9, 2018 04:38
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I would love to see the press in this timeline. The Wasp was barely in service 6 months and Yorktown just over a year. In the real timeline the US didn't lose a single Essex class carrier and Grey just bagged two in one day.
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May 9, 2018 04:42
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Two down, only twenty or so to go!
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May 9, 2018 04:50
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It'd be hilarious if the Essex somehow also went down from that sub torpedo a while back.
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May 9, 2018 05:00
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Long live Grey Hunter, ten thousand posts!!!!
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algebra testes posted:Long live Grey Hunter, ten thousand posts!!!! Goonzai, if you will
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May 9, 2018 05:02
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Grey Hunter is going to get himself assasinated by the IJA because he's making them look bad.
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May 9, 2018 05:27
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Also this is my second lucky ship to sink which I unironically think is ~amazing~
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May 9, 2018 05:50
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Wow and here I was worried we would get blueballed Essex class had a 64mm deck over the hangars. According to the internet, those 500kg SAP bombs could punch through 80mm. I know USN damage control was world-class, but thats some serious Van Dammage
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Crazycryodude posted:Two down, only twenty or so to go! Britain alone will be bringing another 20 carriers over shortly, admittedly only half of those are fleet carriers but still. Killing 2 Essex class is a big win just another 10 sorties like that and air supremacy is ours! The biggest worry for Grey is that HMS Implacable turns up in '45, complete with a hanger full of Seafires...
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Yeah, this was an incredibly impressive performance all-around.ManifunkDestiny posted:Holy crap, that is one decisive battle. Honestly, in this timeline Roosevelt has probably been trying to suppress news out of the South Pacific for the last year or more. This is just one more disaster thrown on the pile. whitewhale posted:Britain alone will be bringing another 20 carriers over shortly, admittedly only half of those are fleet carriers but still. Killing 2 Essex class is a big win just another 10 sorties like that and air supremacy is ours! Is this an in-joke/reference to one of Grey's previous LPs? Seafires are incredibly unimpressive compared to mainline Spitfires when matched up against introduction dates. Even the Seafire model which is just barely going to start being available in extremely limited quantities at the beginning of '45 (the XV) is significantly inferior to the Spitfire VIIIs that we've been seeing flying around.
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May 9, 2018 06:58
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if the Allies are still dicking around in the Solomons / Marianas in late 1944, there's no way they're going to punch through the Philippines and Okinawa in time to win
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May 9, 2018 06:59
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Lord Koth posted:
It's an in-joke to this LP, much to Grey's frustration spitfires have been slaughtering his air forces over land for the past 12 months, now they will be taking to the sea!
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May 9, 2018 07:29
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HOLY poo poo
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Usually I'd make some post about how Grey is truly fighting to the last against the Allies but today think I'm just going to go with Top Hats Monthly posted:HOLY poo poo Because  that was awesome. The most ridiculous thing of all is that we're now having the carrier decisive battles that we expected from the time of Midway in ... May '44. gradenko_2000 posted:if the Allies are still dicking around in the Solomons / Marianas in late 1944, there's no way they're going to punch through the Philippines and Okinawa in time to win Considering that Grey's floating around the 62k mark in terms of victory points and the Allies are on 33.5k, when would an autovictory kick in with that kind of ratio? 1946?
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mercenarynuker posted:Was this the turn you were so absorbed in last week Grey, you dirty tease Yep! Serpentis posted:Considering that Grey's floating around the 62k mark in terms of victory points and the Allies are on 33.5k, when would an autovictory kick in with that kind of ratio? 1946? If I can get another 4-5k points, I win in 45, as I will have doubled them - Chunking is enough to get me into striking distance, IF I can take it, and if I can avoid losing any more capital ships. This was an amazing result, but its as much luck as tactical acumen. Once we took out half their bomber wing with land based air, I knew I had to have a go - I was lucky that the carriers were out on patrol and in range. Then I got lucky that they didn't get a hit in yesterday. I was hoping for more hits, but it was enough to weaken them again today - the second wave shooting up some freighters saved my rear end. Today was more of a sure thing, but even then, I could easily have lost a ship in the morning. My pilots are terrible, and none are surviving long enough to get to OK, but the planes are good and I can get enough of them on target to get the hits I need. That said, I picked my battle well, I saw a weak spot and I nailed them. I'm happy with my work.
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Does anything happen if you capture Chongqing, like Chinese morale losses or the like, or is it just points?
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Does anything happen if you capture Chongqing, like Chinese morale losses or the like, or is it just points? Chungking is worth a truckton of VPs all by itself, on top of all the VPs from the complete destruction of all the troops in it (since Grey has the city surrounded). Chungking is also where all the Chinese land units respawn (for free), so if it falls, the Chinese are out of the game completely. Assuming Grey still has some time and forces and werewithal, he can then march further east, such as towards India, or perhaps fortifying the Soviet frontier in preparation for August 1945.
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May 9, 2018 08:54
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This was worth the agonizing wait. Well done Grey
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May 9, 2018 09:04
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The poor US Navy is just going to be the biggest joke in this universe. It's not going to even be close.
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USN command is probably upset it doesn't have any battleships in the area to hunt down and destroy the carriers.
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There's no way Normandy is even being planned for June in this timeline, much less has any chance to succeed. The Navy isn't being trusted with D-Day given this performance so far. Not sure if this is The Man in the High Castle-worthy, but if there's a timeline where the Soviets are stalemated somewhere around the Baltics and central Ukraine it's this one.
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Adar posted:There's no way Normandy is even being planned for June in this timeline, much less has any chance to succeed. The Navy isn't being trusted with D-Day given this performance so far. if the Greyverse is this plus his War in the East run, then it's maximum Man In the High Castle time
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Congrats Grey! Do fleet carriers still only count as 1 ship in the May challenge?Grey Hunter posted:This was an amazing result, but its as much luck as tactical acumen. Once we took out half their bomber wing with land based air, I knew I had to have a go - I was lucky that the carriers were out on patrol and in range. 
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