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That's interesting, I didn't know that. And I'm not sure I agree that a pardon should be an admission of guilt. As the FReeper says, they are used (very occasionally) when the justice system fails and an innocent person is locked up. You shouldn't have to admit (implied or otherwise) that you did something you didn't do just to be released. I'm not sure how much it matters though, we really don't need the courts hearing cases where the defendant is facing no penalties and just wants to clear his name. Things are slow enough as it is.
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MANime in the sheets posted:That's interesting, I didn't know that. And I'm not sure I agree that a pardon should be an admission of guilt. As the FReeper says, they are used (very occasionally) when the justice system fails and an innocent person is locked up. You shouldn't have to admit (implied or otherwise) that you did something you didn't do just to be released. Some states have pardon systems like that but the federal one does not work that way.
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Get your scooter runnin' .... It's time for us to go to Washington quote:IT'S TIME. quote:MAGA March On Washington 200+ posts in about 5 hours for something that will never happen.
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It's just bizarre to be calling for a march on Washington... when your party controls all three branches of government. Kind of like QAnon: a conspiracy theory that... the sitting POTUS is totally right and everyone should support him.
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May 4, 2018 06:09
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MANime in the sheets posted:That's interesting, I didn't know that. And I'm not sure I agree that a pardon should be an admission of guilt. As the FReeper says, they are used (very occasionally) when the justice system fails and an innocent person is locked up. You shouldn't have to admit (implied or otherwise) that you did something you didn't do just to be released. There is a process called expungement, which erases a conviction from your record. Many states have a process where you can seek expungement after a pardon to fully remove it from your record.
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May 4, 2018 14:35
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Burdick vs. The United States didn't really establish "A pardon means admission of guilt" directly. It was about the right of someone to reject even an unconditional pardon, specifically related to your Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination. Your right against self-incrimination only extends to something that you can be incriminated for, so being granted immunity or a pardon removes your ability to incriminate yourself and thus makes you susceptible to contempt of court charges if you refuse to testify. This is why prosecutors trying to get a bigger fish (like Mueller) make deals for immunity to force the guys they caught to testify against their boss. Burdick was jailed for refusing a pardon that was forced on him to try and force him to testify, and the Supreme Court ruled that this was a violation of his Fifth Amendment rights. Where it comes into play here is that some people have interpreted part of the text of Burdick vs. US as saying that accepting a pardon means accepting guilt (because Burdick refused a pardon as a way of exercising his Fifth Amendment Rights, thus refusing a pardon is an option for an innocent person trying to avoid self-incrimination). It's believed that Gerald Ford used this interpretation to privately justify pardoning Nixon, as he had resigned and the attempt to enforce criminal charges was dropped because of it. Granting Nixon a pardon was a roundabout way of officially declaring Nixon guilty in the public eye.
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MANime in the sheets posted:That's interesting, I didn't know that. And I'm not sure I agree that a pardon should be an admission of guilt. As the FReeper says, they are used (very occasionally) when the justice system fails and an innocent person is locked up. You shouldn't have to admit (implied or otherwise) that you did something you didn't do just to be released. The tremendously stupid thing here is that Arpaio was literally convicted of a crime. It just reeks of "well what he did shouldn't be a crime so of course he won't admit to guilt!" Well...no. He deliberately defied a court order and ignored reports of serious, violent crimes to profile the poo poo out of Latinos whether they were here legally or not. Dude is a criminal who seriously abused his power to harass some Mexicans. Which is of course exactly why Freep loves him.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The tremendously stupid thing here is that Arpaio was literally convicted of a crime. It just reeks of "well what he did shouldn't be a crime so of course he won't admit to guilt!" Well...no. He deliberately defied a court order and ignored reports of serious, violent crimes to profile the poo poo out of Latinos whether they were here legally or not. Dude is a criminal who seriously abused his power to harass some Mexicans. Dude is an absolutely top-tier, irredeemable piece of mushy poo poo. He will die peacefully in his sleep, surrounded by the trappings of wealth, and will be remembered fondly as a tough, no-nonsense lawman and beloved member of his community. I'd prefer that he rot slowly from the inside out, be shoveled into a pauper's grave, and spend eternity reviled by all who know his name, but them's the breaks. Maybe I don't prefer it, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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May 5, 2018 04:08
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Never forget that in 1999 Arpaio faked an assassination attempt against himself and framed an innocent teenager to drum up support for reelection. Like the dude is famous for establishing concentration camps as prisons, abusing prisoners, demanding that anyone brown-skinned be arrested on suspicion of illegal immigration, and targeting political opponents, but nobody really brings up that he framed an innocent man to make himself more popular. The dude is an outright sociopath. He'll hurt anyone and everyone if he doesn't like them or they get in his way. He's the kind of evil that movies are made about. The only thing that's kept him from a citizen lynching is being in a stable country and not trying to start summary executions.
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Arpaio is the worst piece of the poo poo elected to a government office in my lifetime.
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May 5, 2018 04:31
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He's a pretty good one-word answer to the question "Why do you hate Republicans so much?"
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May 5, 2018 04:32
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chitoryu12 posted:Never forget that in 1999 Arpaio faked an assassination attempt against himself and framed an innocent teenager to drum up support for reelection. Like the dude is famous for establishing concentration camps as prisons, abusing prisoners, demanding that anyone brown-skinned be arrested on suspicion of illegal immigration, and targeting political opponents, but nobody really brings up that he framed an innocent man to make himself more popular. The thing that kept him from being lynched is that he's an angry, old, white racist in a red state.
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If Joe Arpaio had been born 50 years earlier he'd be right up there in the history books next to Bull Connor. Literally.
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May 5, 2018 16:37
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Smeep posted:IT'S TIME. This has been what you retards have been doing since he got elected. It's just that your dumbasses let the racists and Nazis march for you and everyone pushed back because to normal people these things are horribly wrong
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May 5, 2018 19:05
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Gonzaga warns against partying by 'non-Mexican individuals' A school administrator sent around an email saying basically "drinking Corona at Chipotle's is not a good way to celebrate Cinco de Mayo." and the Snowflake Brigade got a hold of it. quote:To: jmcenanly  quote:To: All You're not my mom, you can't tell me what to do! quote:To: jmcenanly quote:To: jmcenanly Jesuits!  quote:To: jmcenanly quote:To: TLI Lookin' like a ponce to own the libs quote:To: jmcenanly quote:To: jmcenanly ...and we don't even get a White History Month either!  quote:To: jmcenanly quote:To: All *Get's arrested by ICE* quote:To: jmcenanly quote:To: Mastador1 quote:To: unlearner quote:To: jmcenanly quote:To: jmcenanly quote:To: jmcenanly As someone who takes walks on a trail through that campus regularly, please don't. quote:To: jmcenanly  quote:To: Old Yeller
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May 5, 2018 21:34
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freep should integrate a blood pressure gauge by each post so we can see which ones really push their hearts to the limit
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May 5, 2018 21:56
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quote:Western Judeo-Christian ideals were created by Caucasians...every one else go back to living in caves and killing each other. I for one have had it with this extreme cultural appropriation. Abraham and Jesus-noted white guys
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May 6, 2018 01:39
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Alternatively, Buddhism, known for it's love of violence!
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May 6, 2018 01:42
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AnoHito posted:Alternatively, Buddhism, known for it's love of violence! Though in fairness, Sri Lanka, Burma, and Thailand have no problem womping on their minorities...
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AnoHito posted:Alternatively, Buddhism, known for it's love of violence! *Ahem* Rohingya...
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Here's an edgy take: Is John McCain Endangering His Soul By Preventing Trump From Attending His Funeral? Donald Trump, famous for never getting angry, never judging, and being full of forgiveness. quote:As you judge others, you too will be judged... Sorry John. Your anger will hold you back. Noted devout Christian, Donald Trump. quote:I’s not what you do with others, it’s what you do with Jesus Christ. “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” Is this actually a thing? Dude still can't use his arms right. quote:He didn’t endure any torture in Vietnam , that is a myth he has spread. Maybe Trump doesn't *want* to go to McLame's stupid old funeral anyway! quote:What makes anyone think Trump wants to go?
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You don't even need to be angry at or dislike Trump to think "Hmmm... Probably not a good choice if I want for this to be a somber and dignified affair." How long does anyone seriously think Donnie could last before trying to make McCain's funeral about himself?
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quote:I’s not what you do with others, it’s what you do with Jesus Christ. “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” loving hell
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Gum posted:loving hell IT's just them trying to reconcile why they can be human garbage and still win the afterlife prize. If they ever cracked the spine of their holy book there's lots of info that tells them they're going to hell.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:What makes anyone think Trump wants to go? He was sure obsessed with McCain through the few years he's been politically relevant though
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SocketWrench posted:IT's just them trying to reconcile why they can be human garbage and still win the afterlife prize. If they ever cracked the spine of their holy book there's lots of info that tells them they're going to hell. American Christianity is a weird, hateful, self-interested apostasy that treats Christ's sacrifice as a get out of jail free card and his teachings as "something for a different Dispensation." I despise it so.
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May 8, 2018 20:52
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Welp, daddy just pulled us out of the Iran deal, can't wait for freep's response to that.
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May 8, 2018 21:30
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Keeshhound posted:Welp, daddy just pulled us out of the Iran deal, can't wait for freep's response to that. It will likely boil down to "great, now let's kill them all," said with far, far more racist language.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It will likely boil down to "great, now let's kill them all," said with far, far more racist language. The other five members of the deal have all vowed to stay in it, and Iran has started further negotiations with them, so I expect bitching about European "traitors" as well.
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Keeshhound posted:You don't even need to be angry at or dislike Trump to think "Hmmm... Probably not a good choice if I want for this to be a somber and dignified affair." They're on their "Trump is the most dignified and most Decorum-adhering president ever! He is the best and most honorable man ever!" thing following Michelle Wolf and denying any of the things Trump ever said, so they will say he'd give a eulogy that wouil;d make every cheer and force Obama to shed his human suit and be exorcised, or some poo poo.
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Keeshhound posted:The other five members of the deal have all vowed to stay in it, and Iran has started further negotiations with them, so I expect bitching about European "traitors" as well. If the Iran deal can survive Trump pulling out of it, then John Kerry seriously deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Fulchrum posted:If the Iran deal can survive Trump pulling out of it, then John Kerry seriously deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. I don't have high hopes, I'm just predicting the response.
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Keeshhound posted:I don't have high hopes, I'm just predicting the response. I did say "If".
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Yeah, it likely won't because Trump wants to dump sanctions on them, so Iran will likely just figure "gently caress it, we're getting rear end rammed either way, might as well go ahead and make some bombs" Then Trump will start a war and shortly after the next pres takes over (likely a dem) we'll get nuked and all the chuds will blame the current pres for it rather than the fucker that caused it all
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:As you judge others, you too will be judged... Sorry John. Your anger will hold you back.
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May 9, 2018 18:16
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Re Avenatti exposing Cohen's sketchy dealings:quote:This guy reminds me of the little girl in my kindergarten class. The teacher left the room during nap time and said, “Don’t anybody open your eyes until I get back.”
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...if he wasn't the teacher, why was he in a kindergarten class?
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I read some good freepiness on the Avenatti stuff today. It was totally freep is right but for the wrong reasons. I'll have to see if I can dig it up in my history. ... Treasury inspector general launches probe into possible leak of Michael Cohen’s banking records quote:To: Magnatron  ya don't sayquote:To: Magnatron lord willing my friend. quote:To: Magnatron What-about-those-crimesism. quote:To: Magnatron quote:To: txrefugee quote:To: raiderboy ...people are going to jail, don't worry about that. quote:To: Magnatron quote:To: raiderboy
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SocketWrench posted:He was sure obsessed with McCain through the few years he's been politically relevant though He's only really obsessed with McCain because McCain lost to Obama. He's just regurgitating the same poo poo Sean Hannity would say about McCain.
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