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Covok posted:For some reason, all I can think after reading that, is don't let Frank Miller come up with who the big bad that they're holding back is, if they go that route. You know what he would do. What do you think he would do.
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Jordan7hm posted:What do you think he would do. Well, if Holy Terror is any indincation...
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May 10, 2018 05:22
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BrianWilly posted:Like, I don't know what version of Amanda Waller that people are actually a fan of, The DCAU one
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May 10, 2018 05:30
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John Ostrander and Greg Rucka both wrote a pretty interesting Amanda Waller. She wasn't omniscient and she wasn't always who you were rooting for but she did stuff that made sense, elicited interesting dynamics from other characters, and felt like a character with consistent and complex motivations and beliefs.
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May 10, 2018 06:21
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Covok posted:For some reason, all I can think after reading that, is don't let Frank Miller come up with who the big bad that they're holding back is, if they go that route. You know what he would do. Writers can portray an enemy to the nation without being racist about it. I hope. I mean, it CAN be done. Look at COBRA. Charismatic figurehead/ex-used car dealer. Aristocratic revolutionary. Man taking care of a family business.. Biker/ex-ninja. Dentist gone mad via sonic waves. And brainwashed ninja. Only one of them is representative of another people or religion. The problem there is they started having some points. But the Suicide Squad isn't GI Joe, and that's where you get Amanda Waller being a hardass, but a human, American hardass. Even if the people who want to take over might have some good ideas, she's the Wall and she does her job. It's another aspect to play up, cause right now they're effectively slaves, it doesn't seem like anyone's actually getting their jailtime reduced or anything, and they don't seem to be volunteering for the position unless they're making a show of it, they're just swept up by Waller. Blah! Just pick something, writers. Redemption, political thriller with intrigue, espionage, hard choices. All they gotta do is make it matter and not just 'because.' I always figured the Amanda Waller people liked was the original Suicide Squad (comic) version.
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May 10, 2018 06:36
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Archyduke posted:John Ostrander and Greg Rucka both wrote a pretty interesting Amanda Waller. She wasn't omniscient and she wasn't always who you were rooting for but she did stuff that made sense, elicited interesting dynamics from other characters, and felt like a character with consistent and complex motivations and beliefs. It's a much more engaging story to tell about this character than the recent ones where she's basically just a sadistic and corrupt prison warden making generic speeches about how everyone else is too soft to do what it takes or whatever.
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May 10, 2018 06:51
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I feel like for Amanda Waller to really work you have to emphatize with her. You can think she's wrong or that she's doing something awful but you understand why she feels the way she does and her cruelty is tempered by humanity (and this doesn't necessarily mean kindness but things that make her feel like a person and not a crappy walking stereotype.) In essence she's a lot like Nick Fury. A good writer focuses on the idea that this person is, at heart, dedicated to protecting people and sometimes that means being a hardass or doing something underhanded or possibly cruel but their final goal is to protect people and while they may do immoral things for it, it is in pursuit of a goal they personally feel is moral and the audience can understand and empathize with. When you make her just the loudmouth shithead then she loses a lot of what makes her work. People point to JLU Waller because at the end of the day she was Amoral Batman, working her hardest as a normal human to stand against superbeings who she felt were a threat and who she had very valid reason to fear. (Being that Superman had been mind controlled once and the Justice Lords *existed.*)
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May 10, 2018 07:30
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Hacking Brainiac to find out why/where he's abducted a pile of heroes and villains (including her squad) doesn't not make sense. Just now, it does make me think that probably nobody told Snyder that there's super cyber hacker girl Suicide Squad member, though.
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May 10, 2018 07:39
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Teenage Fansub posted:Just now, it does make me think that probably nobody told Snyder that there's super cyber hacker girl Suicide Squad member, though. You mean Hack? She's been dead for a while.
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May 10, 2018 07:48
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Jordan7hm posted:What do you think he would do. e: and their Military Units Shaped to Lacerate Innocent Men
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May 10, 2018 07:50
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She was dead when I quit the book but somehow I got the notion that she came back as a ghost in the machine or something. edit: Great art variants next week.   
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Teenage Fansub posted:She was dead when I quit the book but somehow I got the notion that she came back as a ghost in the machine or something. I loving loved the Flash variant. Really glad that Zolomon is back. The last pre-N52 Checkmate series was great and I did like the portrayal of Waller there. Also liked the DCAU version. I just don't like Waller in general because she's the cause of half the poo poo that she's supposed to stop. Like "Oh good job Waller...you're a dumbass who 'killed' Brainiac and probably hosed everything up because you just can't help yourself." pubic works project fucked around with this message at 14:53 on May 10, 2018 |
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May 10, 2018 14:50
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As long as we're talking Waller and Suicide Squad in general, when's the last time (if any time) that she's actually detonated someone's head? I know to an extent they're immortal anyway because some of them are too popular and some have a touch of movie immunity, but I never see any Z-listers biting it even when they're in situations like being captured and/or interrogated, which seems like the exact time you'd cut your losses and leave em
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May 10, 2018 18:08
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TwoPair posted:As long as we're talking Waller and Suicide Squad in general, when's the last time (if any time) that she's actually detonated someone's head? I know to an extent they're immortal anyway because some of them are too popular and some have a touch of movie immunity, but I never see any Z-listers biting it even when they're in situations like being captured and/or interrogated, which seems like the exact time you'd cut your losses and leave em Did she blow up Lobo's head in JL vs SS? I can't remember
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May 10, 2018 18:26
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pubic works project posted:Did she blow up Lobo's head in JL vs SS? I can't remember Wouldn't that, like, not do anything to Lobo because he can regenerate from a single cell or something like Majin loving Buu?
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May 10, 2018 18:29
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lol https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/994260099307892736
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May 10, 2018 19:13
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Covok posted:Wouldn't that, like, not do anything to Lobo because he can regenerate from a single cell or something like Majin loving Buu?
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May 10, 2018 19:14
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Covok posted:Wouldn't that, like, not do anything to Lobo because he can regenerate from a single cell or something like Majin loving Buu? Yeah pretty much.
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May 10, 2018 19:17
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RIP $2.99 https://www.newsarama.com/39872-detective-comics-harley-quinn-green-lantern-titles-harley-quinn-more-raising-prices.html
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May 10, 2018 19:54
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And also no more free digital copies with purchase.
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May 10, 2018 19:55
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Are they still going to be double shipping? This is horseshit. Absolutely bleeding people here and half the time the stories feel watered down because they're cut in half in order to double ship.
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May 10, 2018 20:05
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like for Amanda Waller to really work you have to emphatize with her. You can think she's wrong or that she's doing something awful but you understand why she feels the way she does and her cruelty is tempered by humanity (and this doesn't necessarily mean kindness but things that make her feel like a person and not a crappy walking stereotype.) This is why Ostrander's Amanda Waller was the greatest; no one else did more to illustrate who Waller was and why she did the things she did - though, I mean, he sort of had to, given that he was one of her creators. Later writers have had a tendency to write Waller basically as a force of nature rather than a person, which is a mistake, I think (though not as much of a mistake as New52 Waller being a government super-agent instead of a widow who pulled herself out of the projects through sheer force of will). She works, like you said, when you empathize with her.
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Wow, that's really, really weird move. Literally, people (including myself) were really happy with the 2.99 price tag and used it to justify a lot of purchases. To 180 completely, keep the double shipping, and, then, remove the few scant series they gave free digital copies for completely? It's like they want to burn away all the good will they had built up.
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May 10, 2018 21:23
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Aren't there less than a dozen double shipping books left at this point anyways?
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May 10, 2018 21:24
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Rhyno posted:Aren't there less than a dozen double shipping books left at this point anyways? Yeah and I'm pretty sure I buy all of them.
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Rhyno posted:Aren't there less than a dozen double shipping books left at this point anyways? At the moment they have: Batman Detective Comics Wonder Woman Flash Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps Suicide Squad Green Lanterns Harley Quinn The books that have stopped double shipping: Superman Action Comics Deathstroke Justice League Cyborg Green Arrow Aquaman Nightwing Justice League of America (ended)
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Covok posted:Wow, that's really, really weird move. Literally, people (including myself) were really happy with the 2.99 price tag and used it to justify a lot of purchases. To 180 completely, keep the double shipping, and, then, remove the few scant series they gave free digital copies for completely? It's like they want to burn away all the good will they had built up. I kinda get it. They never made more money than Marvel in the Diamond charts, even when selling more books and dominating the top ten lists in the last few years.
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May 10, 2018 21:32
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Roth posted:At the moment they have: I think the GL books are moving to monthly soon? Teenage Fansub posted:I kinda get it. They never made more money than Marvel in the Diamond charts, even when selling more books and dominating the top ten lists in the last few years. While I don't know if they are still doing it, Marvel was overshipping thousands of copies of books and reporting them as copies sold.
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Roth posted:At the moment they have: According to Snyder, Justice League will be double-shipping when it re-starts.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I kinda get it. They never made more money than Marvel in the Diamond charts, even when selling more books and dominating the top ten lists in the last few years. Really? But they were selling for less? It's worth noting that Marvel was over shipping so it's possible that they were making more. But I guess they must have not been because then they wouldn't be changing back.
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Rhyno posted:I think the GL books are moving to monthly soon? I think Hal Jordan ends at issue 50. Green Lanterns is still bi-weekly up to the latest solicits. Wouldn't surprise me if it goes monthly though.
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May 10, 2018 21:41
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Snyder actually DM'd me when I commented how I thought the double-shipping at $3.99 sucked. Obviously he wasn't in control of it, but was able to get 2 more pages than normal into each issue of JL.
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If Grant Morrison and Liam Sharp really are the next GL team, that ain't a double shipper.
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pubic works project posted:I loving loved the Flash variant. Really glad that Zolomon is back. I was too until I got to read Williamson writing him. Which is funny because, now, finally he's got all the other important characters on the right track but he's butchering Hunter to establish the premise.
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Teenage Fansub posted:If Grant Morrison and Liam Sharp really are the next GL team, that ain't a double shipper. We will be lucky if it bi-monthly shipper.
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pubic works project posted:Snyder actually DM'd me when I commented how I thought the double-shipping at $3.99 sucked. Obviously he wasn't in control of it, but was able to get 2 more pages than normal into each issue of JL. Two extra pages, wow! I bet they even keep them for more than a month. At least two. Feels like the pendulum is starting to swing back the other way.
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Mr Hootington posted:We will be lucky if it bi-monthly shipper. Bi-monthly can mean both twice a month and every other month. Also, I want to give a shout out to Bendis and Bagley for putting out 18 issues of Ultimate Spider-Man a year while consistently being the best Spider-Man comic in any given week for over 100 issues.
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Skwirl posted:Bi-monthly can mean both twice a month and every other month. Inflammable also mean flammable? What a country!
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Skwirl posted:Bi-monthly can mean both twice a month and every other month.
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