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Perestroika posted:And as if to rub salt into the wound, Tim Allen's thoroughly garbage and racist show Last Man Standing was just revived and picked up for a new season on Fox. Aeuhhh?
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May 11, 2018 15:43
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Koalas March posted:Blue Bloods This show is pretty much what I imagine TV would have been like in nazi germany
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May 11, 2018 15:47
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Detective No. 27 posted:We live in a Hell world. Tardcore posted:This show is pretty much what I imagine TV would have been like in nazi germany Title of your sex tape
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May 11, 2018 15:55
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Koalas March posted:I'm assuming the problem is (and I'm saying this as someone who likes the show, albeit I'm hesitant for this reason..) is that at the end of the day, it's still pro-police. Sure it's not Blue Bloods or SVU but even the "wow the nypd are hosed up" episodes are resolved pretty poorly. We have to suspend belief that this is the one department in the NYPD that doesn't do broken window policing, racial targeting, unlawful civil asset forfeiture etc. Yea I love B99 but I absolutely get someone saying 'hey maybe it's not super great to make a show where cops are a diverse cuddly bunch of lovable goofballs and silly little issues like systematic racism are overcome in the span of an episode with a simple 'hey...stop that...' resolution. It's probably one of my favorite shows but it absolutely is pro-cop in a more 'soft' way than a show like Blue Bloods version where it's just "COPS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND LOOK AT THIS SIMPERING MINORITY COWARD TRYING TO STOP US DOING GOOD I BET THEY LOVE ISIS".
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May 11, 2018 15:58
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Perestroika posted:And as if to rub salt into the wound, Tim Allen's thoroughly garbage and racist show Last Man Standing was just revived and picked up for a new season on Fox. Link? I can't find anything confirming this, and the only thing keeping me being actively upset about B99's cancellation is that at least there's a chance it's replaced with something good. Like, B99 I think ran its course, because this season was kind of wearing thin on me, but if they cancelled it to make room for Tim Goddamn Allen, I will be incredibly angry.
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May 11, 2018 15:58
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Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I only have 3 network shows left that I'll watch next season, (Superstore, AP Bio, and The Good Place)
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May 11, 2018 16:01
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SpacePig posted:Link? I can't find anything confirming this, and the only thing keeping me being actively upset about B99's cancellation is that at least there's a chance it's replaced with something good. Like, B99 I think ran its course, because this season was kind of wearing thin on me, but if they cancelled it to make room for Tim Goddamn Allen, I will be incredibly angry. I don't think it's official but they have been trying to get the rights for it and there's a slightly tinfoily theory that they're clearing out stuff like B99 and The Mick to make room for more conservative friendly things. Or a less tinfoily, they're taking a hatchet all around to open space up for Disney stuff.
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May 11, 2018 16:02
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Greek apparently. That shot is pretty dark lighting for the show. catlord posted:He's based visually on Telly Savalas, who was Greek. What the gently caress
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May 11, 2018 16:08
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Iron Crowned posted:Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I only have 3 network shows left that I'll watch next season, (Superstore, AP Bio, and The Good Place) For me it's The Good Place, Blackish and.. poo poo. Grey's Anatomy & How To Get Away With Murder. In my defense I'm mostly still watching Grey's because I've been watching it since I was 14, & for HTGAWM.. I just can't say no to Viola Davis. RIP Joe Morton's amazing Scandal monologues. Also add me to list of 90s kids who thought Lex Luthor was black/mixed. 🤷🏾♀️
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May 11, 2018 16:29
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sexpig by night posted:It's probably one of my favorite shows but it absolutely is pro-cop in a more 'soft' way than a show like Blue Bloods version where it's just "COPS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND LOOK AT THIS SIMPERING MINORITY COWARD TRYING TO STOP US DOING GOOD I BET THEY LOVE ISIS". it's pro-cop in a way that targets millenials, instead of pro-cop in a way that targets boomers or Gen Xers
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May 11, 2018 17:41
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Koalas March posted:For me it's The Good Place, Blackish and.. poo poo. Grey's Anatomy & How To Get Away With Murder. I’m worried about the Good Place a little bit. When Schur started making it B99 took a bit of a dive in quality, and now that he’s gotten a new one picked up I’m worried that something similar will happen.
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May 11, 2018 17:46
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Koalas March posted:I'm assuming the problem is (and I'm saying this as someone who likes the show, albeit I'm hesitant for this reason..) is that at the end of the day, it's still pro-police. Sure it's not Blue Bloods or SVU but even the "wow the nypd are hosed up" episodes are resolved pretty poorly. We have to suspend belief that this is the one department in the NYPD that doesn't do broken window policing, racial targeting, unlawful civil asset forfeiture etc. I like B99 because it's a fantasy show. I don't watch Westworld and think "there are actually human-quality androids in a theme park somewhere" and I don't watch B99 and think "there's a precinct somewhere where the cops are fundamentally good people". B99 shows the NYPD the way it could (and maybe should) be, not the way it is, and people shouldn't take it as a representation of reality any more than they take any other fantasy show.
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May 11, 2018 17:50
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That's such a dumbass analogy I don't even know where to start
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May 11, 2018 17:56
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I liked B99 because it made me laugh
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May 11, 2018 17:59
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Maybe this is a good thing and they will finally make a nice show about Andre and Terry, two retired cops who go on fantastic adventures together through time and space.
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May 11, 2018 18:02
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SpacePig posted:Link? I can't find anything confirming this, and the only thing keeping me being actively upset about B99's cancellation is that at least there's a chance it's replaced with something good. Like, B99 I think ran its course, because this season was kind of wearing thin on me, but if they cancelled it to make room for Tim Goddamn Allen, I will be incredibly angry. There's been no official announcement yet, but supposedly Allen just recently closed a deal to that effect: http://deadline.com/2018/05/last-man-standing-eyes-return-fox-tim-allen-1202379904/ . So we might just get lucky and the whole thing gets axed at the last moment.
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May 11, 2018 18:09
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purple death ray posted:That's such a dumbass analogy I don't even know where to start Maybe you could start with why you have trouble figuring out that fictional TV shows are fictional and present a world that isn't actually our own? 
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May 11, 2018 18:36
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sexpig by night posted:Yea I love B99 but I absolutely get someone saying 'hey maybe it's not super great to make a show where cops are a diverse cuddly bunch of lovable goofballs and silly little issues like systematic racism are overcome in the span of an episode with a simple 'hey...stop that...' resolution. Wasn't the resolution to that racism episode that they complained about the racist cop and then the complaining guy didn't get his promotion or something.
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May 11, 2018 18:47
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sexpig by night posted:I don't think it's official but they have been trying to get the rights for it and there's a slightly tinfoily theory that they're clearing out stuff like B99 and The Mick to make room for more conservative friendly things. Rather than infoily, probably just about the regular ol' bottom line. According to Deadline, Brooklyn Nine-Nine was the only comedy show on Fox's schedule they didn't own. They're probably just making room for their own shows.
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May 11, 2018 18:48
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Besesoth posted:Maybe you could start with why you have trouble figuring out that fictional TV shows are fictional and present a world that isn't actually our own? Police aren’t real like orcs 
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May 11, 2018 18:51
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Last Man Standing being revived by Fox is probably just as good as it not existing at all. Hardcore conservatives might watch the season premiere to own the libs, but once Fox arbitrarily changes its schedule, they'll forget about it and switch back to the constant stream of Fox News.
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May 11, 2018 18:52
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Besesoth posted:Maybe you could start with why you have trouble figuring out that fictional TV shows are fictional and present a world that isn't actually our own? I'm sorry to break this to you but media heavily effects people's perceptions. While people logically know it is fake in the sense it's written and acted etc it still impacts opinions and poo poo. NRA randos on rascals still think they can cowboy up and stop a random shooter like Clint Eastwood. On the other side, shows like Will & Grace helped humanize gay people. Media's impact on society is one of the reasons representation is so important. It's something I talk about a lot because it's important to me.
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May 11, 2018 18:56
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Besesoth posted:Maybe you could start with why you have trouble figuring out that fictional TV shows are fictional and present a world that isn't actually our own? Oh thank God cops don't exist in the real world. I saw this one TV show that had these guys called "surgeons" that like cut people up? Hopefully they are pretend too cause that seems scary
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May 11, 2018 18:58
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Haven't there been cases of people on juries not accepting police evidence because they thought they knew about forensics from TV?
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May 11, 2018 19:00
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I saw these guys talking about how blue lives matter, I didn't have the heart to tell them. It's almost sad like when a way too old kid still believes in Santa Claus
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May 11, 2018 19:00
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SpacePig posted:Haven't there been cases of people on juries not accepting police evidence because they thought they knew about forensics from TV? It's called the CSI Effect. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/csi-effect-1669447
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May 11, 2018 19:04
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SpacePig posted:Haven't there been cases of people on juries not accepting police evidence because they thought they knew about forensics from TV? f there's anything the Unnerving Article thread has taught me it's that a ton of forensics is pretty much bullshit.
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May 11, 2018 19:04
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Koalas March posted:I'm sorry to break this to you but media heavily effects people's perceptions. While people logically know it is fake in the sense it's written and acted etc it still impacts opinions and poo poo. Of course it does. I'm saying that B99 is trying to affect people's perceptions by showing a precinct the way it should and could be instead of the way it is (and contrasting it with the way actual the actual police behave), just like Westworld is trying to affect people's perceptions by showing the interactions of the wealthy and powerful with a subjugated class. Every time law enforcement outside of the 99th precinct is shown, it's a shitshow. Police corruption is literally the second episode of the series. Federal agencies are shown in a terrible light, the NYPD always punishes doing the right thing, and every single person held up by any of the characters as a hero turns out to be a venal disaster. The 99 is a fiction, and it's a fiction used to illustrate how damaged the law enforcement community is and how it could be different (through positive change and putting the right people in the job). Westworld is a fiction used to illustrate how damaged class relations are and how they could be different (through murder and insurrection).
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May 11, 2018 19:22
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I thought it was about cowboy robots.
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May 11, 2018 21:41
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Yeah, but they're not accurate-to-life robot cowboys. They're idealized as an example of what robot cowboys should be.
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May 11, 2018 21:44
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Cowboy robots that kill the rich are the best version of cowboy robots.
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May 11, 2018 21:49
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Besesoth posted:Of course it does. I'm saying that B99 is trying to affect people's perceptions by showing a precinct the way it should and could be instead of the way it is (and contrasting it with the way actual the actual police behave), just like Westworld is trying to affect people's perceptions by showing the interactions of the wealthy and powerful with a subjugated class. I realize this is a foreign concept to a person with Steven Universe avatar but most people don't write dissertations about TV shows examining their possible sociopolitical implications and just like watching the show about the nice police officers
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May 11, 2018 21:58
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I’ve never even seen it I just wanted to pass on that news in the  -iest way
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May 11, 2018 22:05
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purple death ray posted:I realize this is a foreign concept to a person with Steven Universe avatar but most people don't write dissertations about TV shows examining their possible sociopolitical implications and just like watching the show about the nice police officers Given that this started with me saying "I like B99 because" and then giving reasons why I, personally, like B99, I'm not sure who you think you're owning here, but it sure isn't me.
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May 11, 2018 22:05
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Besesoth posted:Given that this started with me saying "I like B99 because" and then giving reasons why I, personally, like B99, I'm not sure who you think you're owning here, but it sure isn't me. the point is not everyone who watches tv thinks about it as critically as us internet dorks you're downplaying the idea that people can be influenced by media because you think you personally don't get influenced by it
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May 11, 2018 22:10
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Everyone is influenced by it, you can’t choose not to be
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May 11, 2018 22:12
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Volcott posted:I thought it was about cowboy robots. my friend, you can gently caress them robots
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May 11, 2018 22:25
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Brother Entropy posted:the point is not everyone who watches tv thinks about it as critically as us internet dorks If I had ended my original post with "...people shouldn't take it as a representation of reality any more than they take any other fantasy show, and I'm sad that they do", would it help you to understand a little better? I've got a thread full of people insisting that I said something I didn't actually say and I'd like to know how to communicate my actual intent better.
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May 11, 2018 22:25
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Besesoth posted:If I had ended my original post with "...people shouldn't take it as a representation of reality any more than they take any other fantasy show, and I'm sad that they do", would it help you to understand a little better? I've got a thread full of people insisting that I said something I didn't actually say and I'd like to know how to communicate my actual intent better. That would completely change your point so yes I think it would have helped.
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