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HEY GUNS posted:god i hate larpers 
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May 10, 2018 21:07
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ChubbyChecker posted:"All my money is spent"? The Early Modern version of "Cash Rules Everything Around Me".
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May 10, 2018 21:57
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Cossacks. Cossacks never change.ChubbyChecker posted:"All my money is spent"? A semantic translation would be "I've wasted all my money", verspillt is a form of spill, which is just like english spill/spillage. He's flushed his cash with the bathwater, so to speak. HEY GUNS posted:then take out your own sword or pole your way up the pike with your hands to elbow the dude in the face Hey, I was a larper! And I fought poorly, but I will never apologize for roleplaying. Anyway, came to cossackpost 
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May 10, 2018 22:19
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Tias posted:Hey, I was a larper! And I fought poorly, but I will never apologize for roleplaying. Anyway, came to cossackpost
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May 10, 2018 22:22
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HEY GUNS posted:you can roleplay as a reenactor Just keep an eye out for those who roleplay a little too hard when reenacting certain conflicts.
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May 11, 2018 00:33
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Tomn posted:Just keep an eye out for those who roleplay a little too hard when reenacting certain conflicts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLVAz-Jczg
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May 11, 2018 00:47
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HEY GUNS posted:then take out your own sword or pole your way up the pike with your hands to elbow the dude in the face they're reenactors too, the history simply isn't real
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May 11, 2018 02:19
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https://youtu.be/Rl76rTxIyzI
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May 11, 2018 02:34
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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FAUXTON posted:they're reenactors too, the history simply isn't real All reenactors are LARPers but not all LARPers are reenactors. Take that Hegel.
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May 11, 2018 02:47
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MANime in the sheets posted:Somehow I don't think this was limited to Bad Cav Island The Persians did it at Gaugemela when they were close to completely overrunning Parmenio's flank (the left I believe, consisted of allied cavalry such as the Thessalians, as well as Greek mercenary hoplites). Though some of them did supposedly try to rescue Darius's mother in the process who refused to come along. For an infantry version you the the Ten Thousand durign the Cyrus the Younger's bid for the Persian throne who drove off the loyalist Persian forces facing them, pursued them for miles, then returned to find out Cyrus had been killed and the battle was lost. That one's kind of embarassing.
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May 11, 2018 03:06
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MANime in the sheets posted:Somehow I don't think this was limited to Bad Cav Island yeah but prince rupert is the guy who was like "chase the baggage train or win the english civil war. dat baggage train tho"
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May 11, 2018 03:10
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CoolCab posted:yeah but prince rupert is the guy who was like "chase the baggage train or win the english civil war. dat baggage train tho" prince rupert is the only decent cav in that whole loving war
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May 11, 2018 03:11
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Tomn posted:Just keep an eye out for those who roleplay a little too hard when reenacting certain conflicts.
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May 11, 2018 03:12
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ChubbyChecker posted:"All my money is spent"?
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May 11, 2018 03:31
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Rockopolis posted:Is it implying like, "All my money is spent, so the sword comes out and I make more"? I sigh as I unsheath my moneymaker
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May 11, 2018 04:10
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nah, the soldier without any money is a very common trope in the 16th century https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-lHtOGJRB4 Es ging ein landsknecht uber feld Er hat kein beutel noch kein geld...
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May 11, 2018 04:21
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P-Mack posted:In the novel it least it was Shu that sets up a soldier-farmer system. I feel like a lot of Chinese dynasties used similar methods. The soldier-farmers usually had their position made hereditary, and in each dynasty the system collapsed as soldiers desperately sought to avoid actually having to do anything military related. That or the land designated for soldiers was steadily absorbed by large aristocratic estates which inevitably challenged the authority of the Emperor.
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May 11, 2018 06:11
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ChubbyChecker posted:"All my money is spent"? Even better, it's "all my money has been gambled away" 
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May 11, 2018 08:47
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System Metternich posted:Even better, it's "all my money has been gambled away" ver- and zer- are probably my fav prefixes
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May 11, 2018 08:48
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MANime in the sheets posted:Somehow I don't think this was limited to Bad Cav Island The earliest recorded battle is the Battle of Kadesh, which featured the Hittites breaking through the Egyptian's lines, and then stopping to plunder Ramses's camp (which, admittedly, was pretty drat opulent), allowing Ramses to escape.
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May 11, 2018 09:43
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System Metternich posted:Even better, it's "all my money has been gambled away" Yeah, "verspillt" is one of those false friends. It's an old form of "verspielt", which means "gambled away".
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May 11, 2018 10:37
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HEY GUNS posted:you can roleplay as a reenactor Can you actually do any kind of battlefield command as a re-enactor? Or is everything prescripted? Because that's a big chunk of why I LARP (spoilers: medieval level battlefield command without horses is hard as poo poo)
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May 11, 2018 10:39
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Libluini posted:Yeah, "verspillt" is one of those false friends. It's an old form of "verspielt", which means "gambled away". God, I really need to start learning German again.
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May 11, 2018 10:41
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sullat posted:The earliest recorded battle is the Battle of Kadesh, which featured the Hittites breaking through the Egyptian's lines, and then stopping to plunder Ramses's camp (which, admittedly, was pretty drat opulent), allowing Ramses to escape. War, war never changes... And thanks for the correct translation, I was sure that Google translate wasn't up for it.
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May 11, 2018 10:45
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System Metternich posted:Even better, it's "all my money has been gambled away" Ah, it's from "spiel" of course! I stand corrected  That's even better!..that "il" gets into a lot of things up north( much like my diller  )
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May 11, 2018 10:46
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Mr Enderby posted:God, I really need to start learning German again. Interesting random fact: "verspillt" is still used in Luxemburgian dialect. It's meaning has deviated to "playful", if Google Translate is right.
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May 11, 2018 10:49
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Libluini posted:Interesting random fact: "verspillt" is still used in Luxemburgian dialect. It's meaning has deviated to "playful", if Google Translate is right. not just Luxemburgian, though. A playful kitten is a verspielte Katze. (a cat that you have gambled away is also a verspielte Katze)
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May 11, 2018 11:06
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ArchangeI posted:not just Luxemburgian, though. A playful kitten is a verspielte Katze. (a cat that you have gambled away is also a verspielte Katze) I was talking about the spelling, "verspillt" isn't used in modern German, except apparently for Luxemburgian Edit: I don't know enough about Luxemburgian to say if "verspillt" has both meanings, like our "verspielt" Libluini fucked around with this message at 11:25 on May 11, 2018 |
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May 11, 2018 11:22
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Probably too soon, but: Military History Mk. III: (a cat that you have gambled away is also a verspielte Katze)
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May 11, 2018 11:38
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:By expanding it to include other two handed weapons, you've basically included pikes all the way back to who loving knows when. Even if you just mean swung weapons, the two handed axe's popularity in the early & high middle ages undermines your thesis. However, I certainly think that two handed *swords* had their heyday essentially in the period you describe, and for similar reasons. If two-handed axes were popular, what offset their disadvantages in defense, especially against arrows (can't really block them with an axe)? Where two handed warhammers a thing, too?
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May 11, 2018 11:54
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Libluini posted:I was talking about the spelling, "verspillt" isn't used in modern German, except apparently for Luxemburgian Everybody knows that the Bavarian "verspuit" is best anyway 
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May 11, 2018 12:07
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JcDent posted:If two-handed axes were popular, what offset their disadvantages in defense, especially against arrows (can't really block them with an axe)? I've seen some reasonably-informed-seeming analysis that such weapons (i.e. the Dane axe) were for elite troops in good armour for laying into large numbers of less trained and less armoured (or unarmoured) enemies. These axes were actually very light and handy weapons, and unlike say a spear, is unlikely to get stuck in the body of some poor sod. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:16 on May 11, 2018 |
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May 11, 2018 12:10
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Fangz posted:I've seen some reasonably-informed-seeming analysis that such weapons (i.e. the Dane axe) were for elite troops in good armour for laying into large numbers of less trained and less armoured (or unarmoured) enemies. These axes were actually very light and handy weapons, and unlike say a spear, is unlikely to get stuck in the body of some poor sod. AFAIK I know such weapons were for the chiefs bros, because you want well-fed experienced dudes using it.
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May 11, 2018 13:23
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JcDent posted:If two-handed axes were popular, what offset their disadvantages in defense, especially against arrows (can't really block them with an axe)? I think that has a lot to do with the use of the shield wall and also the lack of cavalry in the British isles. Also, we know that huscarls also carried shields from the Bayeux Tapestry and despite what game of thrones will tell you nobody ever fired arrows into their own soldiers, so when the axes come out arrows are considerably less of a threat. Two handed warhammers fall under the broader category of poll axes, and are usually called axes or some variation of that in the sources. Consider the image below from the fighting manual Fior di Battaglia. This is the associated text: If my Middle Iron Gate is opposed by the Guard of the Lady, we both know each other’s game, for we have faced each other many, many times in battle with swords and with poleaxes. And let me tell you, what she claims she can do to me, I can do better against her. Also let me tell you that if I had a sword instead of a poleaxe, then I would thrust it into my opponent’s face as follows: when I am waiting in the Middle Iron Gate with my two-handed sword, if he attacked me with his poleaxe with a powerful downward strike from the Guard of the Lady, then I quickly advance forward striking him strongly under his poleaxe as I step off the line, and then I quickly grasp my sword in the middle with my left hand and make the thrust into his face. While there is little difference between we two guards, I am the more deceptive.
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May 11, 2018 13:30
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Truly, goons have always been around.
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May 11, 2018 13:31
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So you carried a shield and some other weapon until you met the shield wall, then you... put the shield on your back and unsheathed the two-handed axe? Or did you just hold it in one hand, as that didn't matter that much before cutting time was upon you? Also "Middle Iron Gate is opposed by the Guard of the Lady" - did European (weapon) fighting arts also have stances or whatever with names straight out of anime?
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May 11, 2018 14:10
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JcDent posted:So you carried a shield and some other weapon until you met the shield wall, then you... put the shield on your back and unsheathed the two-handed axe? Or did you just hold it in one hand, as that didn't matter that much before cutting time was upon you? Granted they probably sounded less weeby in the original Italian, but when you think of it they probably ran out of functional-yet-original names early on and didn't want to start loading their fightin' manuals with stuff that reads like it's describing heraldry.
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May 11, 2018 14:25
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It probably came down to personal preference and the situation whether you carried a spear in addition and switched to the axe, whether you carried a shield and axe, whether you dispensed with the shield altogether, and so on. You could also have a shield bearer hold on to your stuff while you aren't using it.
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May 11, 2018 15:40
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Libluini posted:The evolution of this was to organize a cavalry force into different "Treffen" (sorry, don't know the English term for this): You would send in the first Treffen to charge and when their charge has lost momentum and the sword/mace/whatever phase begins, you send in the next Treffen for another shock. If used right, this repeatedly disrupting and hammering of the enemy was devastating. Probably the most effective translation in English would be squadron or troop. I think contemporaneously it would be called a banner.
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May 11, 2018 15:49
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So I know I promised an effortpost on British antifascism, but it's probably not going to happen, because it's really not something I know a lot about, and i couldn't scrounge the litterature I needed  However, I have started a multi-part effortpost on the Swedish and Scandi neo-nazi movement, so if you want to venture into C-Spam (and I sure won't hold it against you if you don't), go check it out!
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