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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Coohoolin posted:clearly the epidemic of finnish babies set on fire by their boxes has been cleverly hidden by the conspiratorial SNP and we should all vote for richard leonard because the sun did their version of "we went and lied about being poor and look at all this free poo poo we got" Ah yes, The Scottish Sun, noted for supporting the Labour Party and definitely not supporting the SNP. Christ you can be dumb sometimes.
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May 9, 2018 15:57
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forkboy84 posted:Ah yes, The Scottish Sun, noted for supporting the Labour Party and definitely not supporting the SNP. yes the scottish sun famous for being a principled paper consistent with its values and support you really don't see this as an attack on the SNP? contriving some outrage bullshit on one of their popular initiatives?
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May 9, 2018 16:06
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Coohoolin posted:yes the scottish sun famous for being a principled paper consistent with its values and support I think it's an attack on a progressive policy. I think The Sun regard it as wasteful spending. I don't think it will stop the Sun backing the Nats at the next election, be it Holyrood or Westminster. I think pretending you aren't aware the SNP have been quite happy cozying up to Murdoch in exactly the same greasy and damaging way as Tony Blair is stupid and transparent. Quid pro quo.
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May 9, 2018 16:30
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forkboy84 posted:I think it's an attack on a progressive policy. I think The Sun regard it as wasteful spending. I don't think it will stop the Sun backing the Nats at the next election, be it Holyrood or Westminster. I think pretending you aren't aware the SNP have been quite happy cozying up to Murdoch in exactly the same greasy and damaging way as Tony Blair is stupid and transparent. I haven't seen the Scum cosying up to the SNP, or vice versa, since the failure of the Indyref. The nats were useful to Murdoch only as long as they had a chance of winning, and the SNP now have the National for their media blowjob needs.
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May 9, 2018 17:10
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Jedit posted:I haven't seen the Scum cosying up to the SNP, or vice versa, since the failure of the Indyref. The nats were useful to Murdoch only as long as they had a chance of winning, and the SNP now have the National for their media blowjob needs. The Sun supported the SNP in the 2015 & 2017 General Elections, as well as the 2016 Scottish Parliament election. They still seem pretty cosy.
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May 9, 2018 17:16
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How many babies have been murdered in Finland by these fire traps?
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May 9, 2018 17:45
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Would be interesting to see the baby box immolation in context of other baby carriers/cribs. I can't imagine something like a Moses basket would fare much better against an open flame.
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May 9, 2018 17:50
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cargohills posted:The Sun supported the SNP in the 2015 & 2017 General Elections, as well as the 2016 Scottish Parliament election. They still seem pretty cosy. I will gladly accept any correction that proves I'm not a Sun reader, but I would say I'm not surprised about 2016. Murdoch supports winners, and the SNP were always going to win in that election. It'll be interesting to see how they fall in the next GE now the SNP star is starting to fade and the Tories are comnig back.
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May 9, 2018 18:06
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Leggsy posted:Would be interesting to see the baby box immolation in context of other baby carriers/cribs. I can't imagine something like a Moses basket would fare much better against an open flame. Most Moses baskets are designed as supervised sleeping areas. So just for your baby to nap in whilst you watch. Anything designed for your baby to actually sleep in will have a fire safety certificate.
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May 9, 2018 18:36
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https://www.snp.org/pb_baby_box_scheme posted:What are the details for the SNP Scottish Government’s baby box scheme? What? :/
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May 9, 2018 18:58
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Birth control for new parents. They prevent the man’s semen from entering the vagina and fertilising the woman’s egg after intercourse.
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May 9, 2018 19:19
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Seem a bit rude to me, tbh.
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May 9, 2018 19:33
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this is crazy but: maybe it’s in the newspaper because it’s a baby crib that catches on fire.
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May 9, 2018 19:34
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Seems like a dumb gimmick to have it be universal, anyway. Poshos are only going to turn up their noses at it.
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May 9, 2018 19:38
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CoolCab posted:this is crazy but: maybe it’s in the newspaper because it’s a baby crib that catches on fire. No you’re doing it wrong you’re supposed to flippant about the risk posed by placing newborn infants in flammable cardboard boxes.
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May 9, 2018 19:44
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crispix posted:Seems like a dumb gimmick to have it be universal, anyway. Poshos are only going to turn up their noses at it. Making benefits universal is the only way to make it harder for cunts to rail against them and cut them.
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May 9, 2018 22:46
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crispix posted:What? :/ They don't want to be giving you another one 10 months down the line.
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May 10, 2018 08:12
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crispix posted:What? :/ The Finnish have denied it has any affect on infant mortality as well. It is purely a gimmick to make middle class people feel better about doing nothing for poor people generally. Lets have UBI and see how it goes.
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May 10, 2018 10:29
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Aramoro posted:The Finnish have denied it has any affect on infant mortality as well. It is purely a gimmick to make middle class people feel better about doing nothing for poor people generally. Lets have UBI and see how it goes.
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May 10, 2018 10:51
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Leggsy posted:Would be interesting to see the baby box immolation in context of other baby carriers/cribs. I can't imagine something like a Moses basket would fare much better against an open flame. you'd commonly use card as a firelighter to get your wooden bonfire going, as it's easier to ignite. and I believe most wooden furniture will have some degree of fire resistant varnish coating? crispix posted:Seems like a dumb gimmick to have it be universal, anyway. Poshos are only going to turn up their noses at it. Cerv fucked around with this message at 13:21 on May 10, 2018 |
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May 10, 2018 13:18
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My sisters baby box arrived the other day. It’s huge, like twice the size I was expecting. Though my sister was complaining about how cheap and plasticy some of the items are. I read the book, it was rubbish. I didn’t try setting fire to it though.
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May 10, 2018 18:03
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marktheando posted:My sisters baby box arrived the other day. It’s huge, like twice the size I was expecting. Though my sister was complaining about how cheap and plasticy some of the items are. I read the book, it was rubbish. The ear thermometers are the real prize imo, professional accurate devices so you can give your pediatrist a competent reading when you're worried about your baby.
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May 11, 2018 02:03
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The baby box is just a load of stuff, some good some less good, that some new parents will need and many will already have, a bad poem written in Scots dialect in a cardboard box that no baby should have to sleep in. The problem is the overstated benefits of the box itself and its safety as a baby sleeping area. It’s also become fetishised by the Scottish nationalist movement to be more than just a few freebies. Rather than seeing it spread throughout the UK I’d rather support was targeted at those that need it. Coohoolin posted:The ear thermometers are the real prize imo, professional accurate devices so you can give your pediatrist a competent reading when you're worried about your baby. This isn’t what they’re for.
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May 11, 2018 09:40
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Pissflaps posted:The baby box is just a load of stuff, some good some less good, that some new parents will need and many will already have, a bad poem written in Scots dialect in a cardboard box that no baby should have to sleep in. Means testing doesn't work. Means testing costs a lot more in administration and then it's easy for it to get cut next time it's politically viable. People have been trained to not like others getting free poo poo that they're not entitled to themselves.
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May 11, 2018 09:50
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Just give extra support to those already receiving means tested benefits. Doesn’t require additional bureaucracy.
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May 11, 2018 09:56
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I remember you saying the same thing about free prescriptions Flaps. Why do you love means testing so much?
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May 11, 2018 13:12
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marktheando posted:I remember you saying the same thing about free prescriptions Flaps. Why do you love means testing so much? Free prescriptions don't help anyone who can't afford to pay as most if not all of them are already exempted for other reasons. All it does is take a revenue source away from the NHS.
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May 11, 2018 13:35
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mehall posted:Means testing doesn't work. means testing can cost more in admin than is saved. it's not a given, but dependant on a whole host of changeable factors like what proportion of the population are eligible, how simple that is to assess, the value of the benefit, and do people have much incentive to make false / mistaken claims. if you accept the principle that people who can afford to pay more into the system should do so, i don't see how it's consistent to support progressive taxation but oppose means testing as an absolute red line. apart from the thermometer everything in the baby box looks cheap as poo poo though, with a bulk discount. have the government published a cost breakdown and take up rates? cos that might show that reducing the number given out each year to rich families wouldn't save much. and what do they expect you to do with your second / third thermometer anyway when the next kids come?
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May 11, 2018 14:19
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marktheando posted:I remember you saying the same thing about free prescriptions Flaps. Why do you love means testing so much? Your memory is faulty. Prescriptions aren’t means tested.
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May 11, 2018 16:27
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Pissflaps posted:Your memory is faulty. Prescriptions aren’t means tested. Well no not in Scotland, that was the point.
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May 11, 2018 17:50
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marktheando posted:Well no not in Scotland, that was the point. Not in england either.
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May 11, 2018 18:09
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marktheando posted:Well no not in Scotland, that was the point. Not sure if you're being flippant or just don't know but prescriptions were never actually means tested. It was just that some people never paid for them. Like when Prince William was a student he didn't have to pay them, when his wife was pregnant she didn't have to pay them, as a pensioner his gran doesn't have to pay them.
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May 11, 2018 18:11
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So you are saying that people from certain groups that usually have less money don’t have to pay, but it isn’t means tested. Interesting.
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May 11, 2018 18:15
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marktheando posted:So you are saying that people from certain groups that usually have less money don’t have to pay, but it isn’t means tested. Interesting. That’s right. There is no testing of their means. Certain people are exempt from prescription charges.
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May 11, 2018 18:19
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Pissflaps posted:That’s right. There is no testing of their means. Certain people are exempt from prescription charges. Well that sounds like the worst of both worlds. You should switch to free prescriptions IMO.
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May 11, 2018 18:20
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Jedit posted:Free prescriptions don't help anyone who can't afford to pay as most if not all of them are already exempted for other reasons. All it does is take a revenue source away from the NHS. Universal healthcare is in fact good, including rich cunts getting free prescriptions, and the only revenue source the NHS should have is taxation.
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May 11, 2018 22:50
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forkboy84 posted:Universal healthcare is in fact good, including rich cunts getting free prescriptions, and the only revenue source the NHS should have is taxation. Prescription fees are a form of taxation, and unlike direct taxation rich cunts cannot complain about paying for other people because they're paying only when they pay for themselves. The people who cannot pay, or who cannot do without the service, are exempted.
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May 12, 2018 00:35
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Exemptions or not, I don't think making the sick pay more into the NHS is consistent with the idea of it being free to access.
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May 12, 2018 01:02
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Also don't most Rich cunts get Private Healthcare instead or do they still have to go through the NHS to get prescriptions?
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May 12, 2018 02:39
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Jedit posted:Prescription fees are a form of taxation, and unlike direct taxation rich cunts cannot complain about paying for other people because they're paying only when they pay for themselves. The people who cannot pay, or who cannot do without the service, are exempted. But it's a regressive taxation, as the price is the same regardless of your income, and I think poor people are still statistically more likely to be sick (though may be wrong on that)
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May 12, 2018 10:12
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