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Ace of Baes posted:btw it probably got cancelled because the official disability working group started throwing a shitstorm about it on Twitter, also amber deleted/made private her personal Facebook so maybe she's just sick of getting continuously harassed for trying to organize No, this can't be it! It wasn't one of the 3 potential reasons we were given!
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Ace of Baes posted:btw it probably got cancelled because the official disability working group started throwing a shitstorm about it on Twitter, also amber deleted/made private her personal Facebook so maybe she's just sick of getting continuously harassed for trying to organize Alternate take: it's maybe not canceled but they withdrew it from the online world since real people aren't this dumb only the internet is.
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Internet Explorer posted:No, this can't be it! It wasn't one of the 3 potential reasons we were given!
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Ace of Baes posted:if someone gave these people a choice between universal healthcare and getting Chapo trap house cancelled they'd definitely pick the latter lol jesus
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GunnerJ posted:Hot take: The fact that this event was popular enough to fill up so quickly means that the organizers of it did not have to cancel it unless they wanted to, period. Especially not because of just some people getting mad online at them. This suggests only a few possible motives for cancelling it: no
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listen; podcasts aren't just something you LISTEN to, they're your IDENTITY ok
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an actual dog posted:lol jesus podcast grudges are more important than universal healthcare to these ppl, I think that's pretty obvious I mean the online harassment brigade btw, not all disabled people, as I'm disabled and would definitely like to be able to afford my medicine on a regular basis rather than to ration it out like I'm living in a post apocalyptic hellworld
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May 11, 2018 18:38
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Internet Explorer posted:No, this can't be it! It wasn't one of the 3 potential reasons we were given! Targeted harassment is something beyond just mad online so uh. That kinda is one of the possibilities I am concerned about.
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May 11, 2018 18:40
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I read an interesting book recently about how the internet always was intended for counterintelligence/counterinsurgency from day 1, and woke Twitter people only further confirm this.
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May 11, 2018 18:42
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Are we really entertaining the idea that this one event would have been so critical to the fight for M4A that people opposed to it don't actually value M4A. lol.
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It doesn't count as targeted harassment if the woman is on a podcast, then it's social justice.
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Ace of Baes posted:It doesn't count as targeted harassment if the woman is on a podcast, then it's social justice. lmao
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GunnerJ posted:Are we really entertaining the idea that this one event would have been so critical to the fight for M4A that people opposed to it don't actually value M4A. lol. considering the ones leading the charge are trust fund kids who spend all day trying to elevate their brand and will probably never have to worry about affording healthcare 🤷
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Man I'm pretty sure that DSA Accessibility is loving up here but I don't think your weird bullshit is going to fix the problem.
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idk tho maybe part of anti-psyop is to lose your poo poo constantly I'm not an expert.
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For the record I've listened to Chappo once and I have no idea who this person who was hosting the event is.
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GunnerJ posted:We reacted to problems and solved them as best we could I did a lot of work in and right out of college with volunteering groups and have experience with eg. campus disability advocate groups and what you describe is exactly how it's done everywhere I've ever heard of and also makes perfect sense: - Your group is alerted to a problem or oversight (there is a lack of handicap parking) - You react to address the issue (we moved meetings to places with handicap parking) The end! The problem is solved and everyone should be happy. The Extremely Online Caucus demands that every possible (or at lease their pet) issue be considered and addressed in the planning stages and remediated to their own standards of acceptability. It doesn't matter if they're just that dumb and pigheaded* or they're secret cops* trying to bleed the organization because the effect they're having is literally out of that CIA Simple Sabotage Field Manual. It's poison to this or any other grassroots organization. * I mean we both know what's actually happening is they're attention-obsessed liberals who have found an incredible target to be Extremely Woke upon. They're socialists! That's like, double liberal. Everyone will now see I Completely Get It and I'll be famous on twitter (and slide into some DMs to do some extremely suspicious sex stuff is always the end of this story).
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Ace of Baes posted:considering the ones leading the charge are trust fund kids who spend all day trying to elevate their brand and will probably never have to worry about affording healthcare 🤷 OK, I've considered this and it still doesn't seem like this one event was as critical as it we're making it out to be.
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Internet Explorer posted:For the record I've listened to Chappo once and I have no idea who this person who was hosting the event is. 
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GunnerJ posted:OK, I've considered this and it still doesn't seem like this one event was as critical as it we're making it out to be. I dont think it's the end of the world I just think it's lovely and symptomatic of how these cliques operate
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an actual dog posted:Man I'm pretty sure that DSA Accessibility is loving up here but I don't think your weird bullshit is going to fix the problem. DSA Thread: I don't think your weird bullshit is going to fix the problem
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GunnerJ posted:OK, I've considered this and it still doesn't seem like this one event was as critical as it we're making it out to be. doesnt make it smart or good to harass people over bullshit and get it shut down just because its not going to immediately give everyone healthcare
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also it personally pisses me off as someone who has issues affording healthcare for myself and my wife who m4a would be a godsend
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i wish we were an org that got our poo poo shut down by cops and their terrified wealthy handlers than by our own cadre of internet dumbasses
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Internet Explorer posted:For the record I've listened to Chappo once and I have no idea who this person who was hosting the event is. Amber A'Lee Frost is pretty cool but she did have a couple of weird facebook breakdowns where she called everyone a cop, which is why the DSA Disability folks are up in her case.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:doesnt make it smart or good to harass people over bullshit and get it shut down just because its not going to immediately give everyone healthcare Yes, agreed. Again, I don't think they should have cancelled this event unless they think it was a good idea to do so and if cancelling it is a response to harassment that's hosed up and a real problem. That's my stand here, this can be talked about without all the weird paranoid hyperbole going on.
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GunnerJ posted:Yes, agreed. Again, I don't think they should have cancelled this event unless they think it was a good idea to do so and if cancelling it is a response to harassment that's hosed up and a real problem. That's my stand here, this can be talked about without all the weird paranoid hyperbole going on. you must be new to this thread lol
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deep web creep posted:The Extremely Online Caucus demands that every possible (or at lease their pet) issue be considered and addressed in the planning stages and remediated to their own standards of acceptability. It doesn't matter if they're just that dumb and pigheaded* or they're secret cops* trying to bleed the organization because the effect they're having is literally out of that CIA Simple Sabotage Field Manual. I know first hand that there are people who suck and take it way too far, but uh honestly I kinda think it does matter that we not refer to people as "wreckers" or whatever unless we're sure it's not just some people being extremely misguided and/or up their own rear end??
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an actual dog posted:you must be new to this thread lol 
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If training organizers isn't "critical", then what the hell is?
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if the DSA pulls itself apart because of these issues it's not gonna be one side killing the other, it's gonna be a collective suicide lol
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I'm going to run for the NPC next year on a platform of "purge everyone who likes chapo, purge everyone who hates chapo."
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on hold with sex line posted:If training organizers isn't "critical", then what the hell is? Official announcement: All training of organizers for single payer in DSA has been cancelled by Amber forever, hosed up tbh but thems the breaks.
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an actual dog posted:Amber A'Lee Frost is pretty cool but she did have a couple of weird facebook breakdowns where she called everyone a cop, which is why the DSA Disability folks are up in her case. one of the elements is them hating frost for that/Chapo for using ableist language, the other is people hating jacobin and momentum and associating m4a work as an extension of both, the result is trying to get m4a events cancelled or attack chapters focusing on m4a, which is why they view getting this event cancelled as a "victory"
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Goon Danton posted:I'm going to run for the NPC next year on a platform of "purge everyone who likes chapo, purge everyone who hates chapo." no more purges please!!!!!!!
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GunnerJ posted:I know first hand that there are people who suck and take it way too far, but uh honestly I kinda think it does matter that we not refer to people as "wreckers" or whatever unless we're sure it's not just some people being extremely misguided and/or up their own rear end?? I don't know what's in it's heart or hearts but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, and has a dedicated twitter following of ducks, I'm going to call it a duck.
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the solution is to purge all the Coastal Elite chapters. Democratic Socialists of Real America now
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an actual dog posted:no more purges please!!!!!!! *Points* purged.
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Ace of Baes posted:one of the elements is them hating frost for that/Chapo for using ableist language, the other is people hating jacobin and momentum and associating m4a work as an extension of both, the result is trying to get m4a events cancelled or attack chapters focusing on m4a, which is why they view getting this event cancelled as a "victory" shut up cop
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an actual dog posted:shut up cop the CIA doesn't pay me to NOT post, check your financial privilege
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