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May 12, 2018 13:01
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Sharkopath posted:No because it's been 5 decades This is insanely dumb logic every time it comes up and it never holds up to any real scrutiny
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May 12, 2018 13:02
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joe is old enough that plenty of people haven't seen it while megalo box is still ongoing. there are a bunch of people experiencing joe for the first time through megalo box and I'm sure they don't appreciate walking face fist into potential spoilers I don't really mind it personally but you gotta see that it's not as simple as "well joe's old". using spoiler tags is just common courtesy
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May 12, 2018 13:07
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Dragonatrix posted:This is insanely dumb logic every time it comes up and it never holds up to any real scrutiny Much like the honorable and venerable classics of film just by watching anime you have at least subconscuously absorbed more information on Joe than you realize because of its cultural and artistic impact. Spoiler tags are obtrusive and annoying and sas implementation of them is especially lame so I'm opposed to them by nature.
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May 12, 2018 13:09
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Joe's ending especially is so widely known that megalobox entire episode naming structure is steeped in it.
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May 12, 2018 13:11
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Sharkopath posted:Joe's ending especially is so widely known that megalobox entire episode naming structure is steeped in it. Well it's slightly more widely known now, because I didn't know. You're an rear end in a top hat, dude. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 12, 2018 13:16
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Sharkopath posted:Spoiler tags are obtrusive and annoying and sas implementation of them is especially lame so I'm opposed to them by nature. this is kinda selfish. they exist for a reason and it doesn't hurt you to use them
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May 12, 2018 13:17
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Sharkopath posted:Much like the honorable and venerable classics of film just by watching anime you have at least subconscuously absorbed more information on Joe than you realize because of its cultural and artistic impact. It’s just a couple of tags you add out of consideration for others. Quit being so whiny about it.
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May 12, 2018 13:20
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i think when i got into breaking down events of the original beyond "joe dies at the end," (which has also been foreshadowed heavily in MB) it was maybe a bit too far, as that stuff isn't nearly as ubiquitous via anime references. that's totally my bad. i'm not really sure where i'd want the spoiler line drawn, since i think it's equally valuable that people are free to discuss events of the original relative to this "new version." i'll just trust y'all to tag any hugely pivotal moments/details that haven't already been covered.
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May 12, 2018 13:22
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Manatee Cannon posted:this is kinda selfish. they exist for a reason and it doesn't hurt you to use them I mean more in the sense that for certain discussions it just makes posting way more laborious, exceeding their usability. In order for spoiler tags to be useful because of how sa does them you have to mention what the spoiler is spoiling when we're talking about a thread where the spoiler could be about the episode that just aired, about something from the original joe comic, or foreknowledge from an interview or some other external factor, and then a ton of people like to spoiler tag their wild baseless speculation too, its all very muddled. I think they're more useful in places like game threads or comic threads , places where people are wanting to discuss things and ask questions but theres a more reasonable expectation they might all be at different levels of completion. For an airing show I'd be super surprised if you were reading it and trying to discuss it without having seen the episode? Even then because of how different everybodys expectations of what constitutes a spoiler or not in those examples people are getting mad at each other for revealing too much information or not properly tagging spoilers or tagging information that isnt a spoiler at all. I seen lots of threads that are just constant black bars and that always bums me out. Megalobox is also very much its own story that is more interested in the visual language of joe than the actual plot beats so I disagree that discussing the narrative of old joe is going to spoil the structure of the new show?? They're very different things. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 13:54 on May 12, 2018 |
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May 12, 2018 13:25
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And joe rules so people should talk about it, and talking about it in the thread about the show that is based on it is cool.
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May 12, 2018 13:26
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Dragonatrix posted:This is insanely dumb logic every time it comes up and it never holds up to any real scrutiny I'm here to scrutinize your post. It's bad. Thanks.
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May 12, 2018 15:07
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Darth Walrus posted:It’s just a couple of tags you add out of consideration for others. Quit being so whiny about it. Its not a big deal. No need to get pushy.
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May 12, 2018 15:08
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THE RULES posted:Since spoilers seem to be our molehills of choice for turning into mountains, I’ll also ask you not be weird about them. If someone’s just throwing spoilers out there for no reason, report them. If someone’s whining about spoilers, report them. If someone’s whining about people whining about spoilers, report them. I will deal with all these people. Don’t derail the thread to engage them
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May 12, 2018 15:11
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Sharkopath posted:No because it's been 5 decades, you had your time to Joe.
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May 12, 2018 16:46
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Quite frankly, I'd never heard of Ashita no Joe until I read this thread. As far as I knew, I was just having a good time watching a sci-fi Rocky remake called Megalo Box. "Not dead yet…" didn't really register with me as foreshadowing, either. Since it's apparently a cultural milestone, I don't really care whether I know how it ends. Still, going in blind would have been fun, as well. It certainly made Devilman: Crybaby more intense.
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May 12, 2018 18:45
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Manatee Cannon posted:araragi Wrong show  Aragagagaki is gonna be my favorite character though, probably. How they dump that much character into him in just two episodes is fuckin' magic. We know more about his past than Joe at this point. I figure 'Joe dies' is on the level of His Sled or Luke's Father by now, since it's old enough to fall between those. What comes before that, though, I'd like to find out on my own if I do pick it up. Can't really spoiler Ashita no Joe stuff in here though, since most (myself included) will just click and read it anyway expecting it to be Megalo Box discussion. Better to just make an effort to leave it out of here unless vague. Ranzear fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 12, 2018 |
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May 12, 2018 18:45
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I got spoiled on the ending of Joe by this thread - I'd never even heard of it until I started watching Megalo Box. It's put me off watching the old show but to be honest I have enough of a backlog without adding a 50-year old show with a ton of episodes to it. Well, unless someone finds subs of the original Tiger Mask...
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May 12, 2018 19:13
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rosebud is the sled
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May 12, 2018 22:14
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The ending of Ashita no Joe has been homaged a lot in various anime and shows over the years is the thing, to the point where it's just one of those cultural osmosis things people pick up having never seen the show. That said, I can understand more casual watchers of anime never hearing about it but it's just something you eventually run into. I probably started noting it whenever characters start talking about their favorite shonen battle, and Ashita no Joe's ending almost always gets a mention.
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May 12, 2018 22:56
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People talking about Ashita no Joe in this thread is the only reason I even want to watch it. I've seen pictures of the ending before and people vaguely discussing the actual show, but it never seemed interesting. Knowing that the big rival is defeated and dies before the finale and that it changes the main character in some way is interesting enough to put me in to watching it though. That said, is it legally available to stream anywhere?
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May 12, 2018 23:15
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the second season is on Crunchyroll, doesn't look like anyone has the first
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May 12, 2018 23:31
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Allarion posted:I probably started noting it whenever characters start talking about their favorite shonen battle, and Ashita no Joe's ending almost always gets a mention. See, I don't think I've ever watched an anime where someone explicitly discusses other anime. Pop Team Epic, maybe, but that show is so manic, it's hard to tell what's being referenced. Which famous shows reference Ashita no Joe, anyway? I'm really curious whether I've also somehow avoided watching those classics. tsob posted:People talking about Ashita no Joe in this thread is the only reason I even want to watch it. I've seen pictures of the ending before and people vaguely discussing the actual show, but it never seemed interesting. Knowing that the big rival is defeated and dies before the finale and that it changes the main character in some way is interesting enough to put me in to watching it though. That said, is it legally available to stream anywhere? Yeah, knowing that it doesn't go how you'd expect definitely makes it more intriguing.
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May 13, 2018 05:38
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Allarion posted:The ending of Ashita no Joe has been homaged a lot in various anime and shows over the years is the thing, to the point where it's just one of those cultural osmosis things people pick up having never seen the show. E: I'm not getting bent out of shape over spoilers or anything here, but like, assuming everyone just knows this poo poo is maybe not the way to go. Helter Skelter fucked around with this message at 05:52 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 05:47
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i mean plenty of people come across the knowledge without having ever seen joe somehow, whether it's a combination of the context and the referencing show calling it out by name, or coming across a show that has the reference with tl notes.
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May 13, 2018 05:56
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I'm sure it happens, but I don't think it should be considered the norm. I've been watching anime off and on to varying degrees since the early 90s (well, 80s if you count Robotech I guess) and didn't know poo poo about Ashita no Joe beyond "old boxing anime" until people started getting hype about this show and I started paying more attention. The very fact that this is a new spiritual successor to a well-regarded classic means that it's gonna attract a lot of folks who have never heard of it but are hopping on the hype train, or who maybe know Joe as a well-regarded classic but aren't necessarily that familiar with it beyond that.
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May 13, 2018 06:16
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And More posted:See, I don't think I've ever watched an anime where someone explicitly discusses other anime. Pop Team Epic, maybe, but that show is so manic, it's hard to tell what's being referenced. Which famous shows reference Ashita no Joe, anyway? I'm really curious whether I've also somehow avoided watching those classics. Off the top of my head, one of Gurren Lagann's most famous scenes is a straight up lift of Joe's ending. Pretty much every cross-counter in anime is a Joe reference
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May 13, 2018 06:40
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Tarodia posted:Off the top of my head, one of Gurren Lagann's most famous scenes is a straight up lift of Joe's ending. Pretty much every cross-counter in anime is a Joe reference Lupin had two Joe references this week.
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May 13, 2018 06:42
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Dragonatrix posted:This is insanely dumb logic every time it comes up and it never holds up to any real scrutiny No, it's perfectly fine. And Aerith dies. I personally use spoiler boxes but really don't mind if others don't. except for FFVII As for this show, I am enjoying it but the boxing action itself is pretty meh. There is very little soul in those awkward punches they keep throwing at each other. trucutru fucked around with this message at 07:13 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 07:09
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Tarodia posted:Off the top of my head, one of Gurren Lagann's most famous scenes is a straight up lift of Joe's ending. Pretty much every cross-counter in anime is a Joe reference Yeah, I guess I've seen that happen a bunch of times. What the gently caress. Gurren Lagann cribbed the pig scene.  trucutru posted:As for this show, I am enjoying it but the boxing action itself is pretty meh. There is very little soul in those awkward punches they keep throwing at each other. Agreed. Both the footwork and the punching feel really floaty.
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May 13, 2018 07:20
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Mike Toole has a new column up, focusing on the original Ashita no Joe. some fun production tidbits and an exploration of the visual references that have endured to today, with a small acknowledgement of how Megalobox ties in. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/the-mike-toole-show/2018-05-13/.131505
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May 13, 2018 19:23
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And More posted:Yeah, I guess I've seen that happen a bunch of times. Yeah, any time you see a character sitting grayed out with their head down, that's a Joe
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May 13, 2018 20:57
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El Burbo posted:Yeah, any time you see a character sitting grayed out with their head down, that's a Joe If you watch anime you probably have noticed the "burned out" trope already. Here's one from railgun (or index not really sure): 
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May 14, 2018 07:55
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And More posted:Yeah, I guess I've seen that happen a bunch of times. I only think it was not good at the start of round 4 when they are just standing in place, the rest of it was fantastic to me, especially the slugfest at the end. They're both more defense oriented boxers trained by the same guy so they're just trying to wear each other down over time instead of constantly doing cool shonen super punches. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 13:12 on May 14, 2018 |
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May 14, 2018 13:05
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Hajime no Ippo, the longest and probably most famous boxing manga in the world, has a tremendous amount of its story lifted directly from AnJ. Are there any anime that play the final scene of Joe straight or do they do it for gags more often? To me it was so tremendously iconic reading through it the first time - very much a "Sopranos" ending where I checked to see if I was missing pages for a minute afterward. Then it all kinda dawned on me AnI is so absurdly good that I could write a ton on it. Megalo Box is amazing too, I'm so so glad that it's come out. JD / Joe is immensely likeable (in a way Joe kinda never really was)
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May 14, 2018 13:30
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trucutru posted:No, it's perfectly fine. And Aerith dies. Can't agree with you here. I find the boxing action incredibly compelling. That part where Joe and Araki are just giving each other hell while the camera pans around them had me holding my breath, and even though it happens every fight, every single time they have Joe's mouth guard fly away trailing blood it gets me right in the gut. This is the first boxing anime I've ever seen, so maybe I'm missing something / it doesn't compare to the classics, but boy have I loved these fight scenes.
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May 14, 2018 17:50
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tbp posted:Hajime no Ippo, the longest and probably most famous boxing manga in the world, has a tremendous amount of its story lifted directly from AnJ. Kamina’s death in Gurren Lagann is played entirely straight.
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May 14, 2018 18:00
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Eela6 posted:Can't agree with you here. I find the boxing action incredibly compelling. That part where Joe and Araki are just giving each other hell while the camera pans around them had me holding my breath, and even though it happens every fight, every single time they have Joe's mouth guard fly away trailing blood it gets me right in the gut. There was a 'rough cut' at the very start of round 4, its a noticeably flat sideview shot where the torsos trade punches. It doesn't last long though.
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May 14, 2018 18:39
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Sharkopath posted:I only think it was not good at the start of round 4 when they are just standing in place, the rest of it was fantastic to me, especially the slugfest at the end. That's not really what I mean. I'll try to put it into words: I think a number of things contribute to me finding the boxing a bit lacking. One thing is that the footwork feels slightly off. Whenever there are quick movements, the animation skips over the moment it would take for Joe to shift weight. So in episode four, particularly during the close-up of his legs, it looks like he's floating rather than dancing to me, and not in a good way. It's like the animator knows where the feet should go, but not how it would actually physically work. The punching is a bit different, and it only bothered me in episodes five and six. One thing that takes any gravitas out of it for me is the constant slowdown. There is barely any moment where a punch connects at normal speed, so there's no flow to the action. It's just overdone. The constant cuts to close-up also make it impossible to keep track of the fight. It's not a big deal when Aragaki is just wailing on Joe, but even important dodges, counters and hits get barely any lead-up. Of course, the other person who said that might find it awkward for other reasons. 
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  drat that's cool. I swear there's a wider shot of Kamina a bit after that matches the manga panel, but I'll have to wait til I get home to find it I guess. Eela6 posted:That part where Joe and Araki are just giving each other hell while the camera pans around them had me holding my breath, and even though it happens every fight, every single time they have Joe's mouth guard fly away trailing blood it gets me right in the gut. I was gonna rush in here and rave about that continuously panning exchange but got busy with something else and forgot. That was the coolest single piece of animation I've seen since maybe parts of Redline. There has to be some tech/CG in that or these guys are animation gods. I forgive any other animation shortfalls if it was because they poured everything into that one shot. Regarding any realities about boxing in this show: I'm not convinced this show is actually about boxing. Don't worry about it. Ranzear fucked around with this message at 20:04 on May 14, 2018 |
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