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But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug

Shear Modulus posted:

i thought sharing your black people sighting reports was the entire point of nextdoor

My mom lives in a wealthy exurb of a city in the midwest and her nextdoor is wild

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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

been having fun with all the dsa people that came into houston for the organizing training (they’re currently in dsa school but im cutting class and going to the gym instead)

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Vhak lord of hate posted:

There's a group called Cure Violence that does unarmed community based meditation and intervention, areas they focus on see a pretty decent drop in shootings and homicides.

In Richmond, CA they give a monthly stipend to violent offenders if they're good boys and offer them additional support networks. "Neighborhood change agents", who are all ex-cons themselves, can and are called when crimes happen because people know they'll actually help. Richmond has had a 76% drop in homicides since they implemented these changes (of course its not ina vacuum).

There are so many actual police alternatives already in place and working that it almost requires purposely not paying attention to think that is not possible.

Thats a nice alternative for a lot of prison sentences, but not a solution for people actively breaking the law. What do you do for drunk drivers? Dangle a dollar bill in front of their car while running along side?

You need to have people who have the authority of the state to detain folks in the process of committing crimes, or catching them after they've done so.

That's the police.

A rose by any other name and all that.

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Nitrousoxide posted:

If you're using the words as normal people people use them and not using your super secret definition, police reform is exactly what you want.

You wouldn't think socialists would be prescriptivists wrt to language but for some reason when it comes to police and prison reform they are 100%.

"you guys are prescriptivists lol what losers"

"also when people hear reform and think 'useless bullshit' those people need to crack open a dictionary :smuggo:"

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS
Well I mean that's why we also have to implement an abolishment of prisons. If the focus is on restorative justice then there's no reason to have a group that exists solely to transport people to prison

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Ruzihm posted:

"you guys are prescriptivists lol what losers"

"also when people hear reform and think 'useless bullshit' those people need to crack open a dictionary :smuggo:"

Most modern English dictionaries approach language descriptively... They get updated as use changes, rather than proscribing how people should or shouldn't use words. That fact that a very small clique of people decided that "abolish" shouldn't actually mean what people generally think it means doesn't mean a whole lot.

I mean like literally every time people bring up police abolishment the conversation breaks down into why the gently caress are the people calling for it using their own special snowflake definition for "abolish" which completely wastes yours and everyone you're trying to convince's time.

Edit:
To put it another way, would your meaning of "abolish" work when applied to the phrase "abolish slavery". Your obviously for abolishing slavery, but do you mean "change slavery in such a way so that it is no longer racist or classist". I certainly hope one would want that phrase to include more than just that regarding abolishing slavery.

Nitrousoxide has issued a correction as of 18:33 on May 12, 2018

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Shut up weaboo

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Police Abolition for some, Radical Reform fully restructuring the composition and purpose of the police for others.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/995357839442042880?s=19

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Antifa super soldiers will radically patrol our communes and keep us safe from the forces of reaction

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
no big tittie anime is gonna make me like a cop

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


we never abolished slavery, we just reformed it. that's the difference

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

freckle posted:

no big tittie anime is gonna make me like a cop

what if the cops are all big titty animes?

Minty
May 3, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo

Nitrousoxide posted:

Most modern English dictionaries approach language descriptively... They get updated as use changes, rather than proscribing how people should or shouldn't use words. That fact that a very small clique of people decided that "abolish" shouldn't actually mean what people generally think it means doesn't mean a whole lot.

I mean like literally every time people bring up police abolishment the conversation breaks down into why the gently caress are the people calling for it using their own special snowflake definition for "abolish" which completely wastes yours and everyone you're trying to convince's time.

Edit:
To put it another way, would your meaning of "abolish" work when applied to the phrase "abolish slavery". Your obviously for abolishing slavery, but do you mean "change slavery in such a way so that it is no longer racist or classist". I certainly hope one would want that phrase to include more than just that regarding abolishing slavery.

The Autistic Socialite has logged on

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Love 2 have my own special snowflake definition

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
icymi:

https://twitter.com/alexngordon/status/995110941011439617?s=21

Unbelievably Fat Man
Jun 1, 2000

Innocent people. I could never hurt innocent people.


The reason you say abolish is that it's much harder to walk back. It's an unabashedly radical position so if someone wants to work with us suddenly they have to support at least disarming the police. We are radicals. Even our soc dems are way to the left of the Democrats. Part of what we should be doing is moving the discourse so suddenly empty liberal professions aren't enough to get a Democrat elected anymore.

And the way I would want to see public safety officers operate is fully and completely different from how it works now. I want the police abolished. What comes afterward needs to not be a huge militarized racist street gang.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
https://twitter.com/tgracchi1848/status/995280340582322177?s=19

the org seems nice, but I feel like we could get a lot more members if we removed "socialists" from the name...

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

I've ill news, friendo:

https://twitter.com/NC_DSA/status/995373756741771264

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/realdansiepman/status/995392110147842048?s=19

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
First the Chapo M4A training, now the hit-by-car caucus... :rip:

Minty
May 3, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
who knew redistributing cars from fascists to antifa wasn't a socialism v:kiddo:v

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

as phil greaves taught us (pbuh) joke’s are fascist sorry fam

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

yea it's over

https://twitter.com/AlexNGordon/status/995402433974202370

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Big Online's bullying squad claims another kill.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
stolen IWW valor imho

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug
Hey did the money raised in the wake of Charlottesville ever actually make it to anyone?

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Fighting the important battles

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

stolen IWW valor imho

what's funny is a bunch of people got mad at DSA for stealing iww valor post Charlottesville then it turned out Heather heyer wasn't in the iww either

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ace of Baes posted:

what's funny is a bunch of people got mad at DSA for stealing iww valor post Charlottesville then it turned out Heather heyer wasn't in the iww either

lmao

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005


Abolish socialism

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Well at least he's not self-bullying himself into not saying "hosed" at least!!

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/absolutboi/status/995404218281447432?s=19

How DARE u make jokes. Pay the troll toll

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
online was a mistake

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
DSA should steal back the funds they turned over to an experienced org to distribute and give it all to whoever complains the loudest on Twitter

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009


You'll never get into this boy's hole.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

uncurable mlady posted:

online was a mistake

https://twitter.com/DSAOfflnCaucus

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

this thread blows but its far and away the best online space to talk about dsa stuff

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Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

thats not in any way an endorsement of this thread i just am at a loss to express how much everything else loving sucks

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