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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Extreme0 posted:Also don't most Rich cunts get Private Healthcare instead or do they still have to go through the NHS to get prescriptions? You'd need to ask someone like Jabby for a totally accurate answer, but so far as I know private surgeries don't hold drugs for prescriptions. It's easier to send people to a general pharmacy with a constant supply. You're only adding to my point, though. If the rich mostly don't use the NHS and the poor and chronically ill don't have to pay to do it, abolishing prescription fees is just courting the middle class vote. It sounds good, but doesn't help anyone who needs it.
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May 12, 2018 11:12
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If benefits aren't universal it becomes easy to frame the recipients as scroungers with the aim of abolishing them altogether. Healthcare, including prescriptions, should be something everyone feels they have a right to, including the wealthy.
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May 12, 2018 11:14
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Extreme0 posted:Also don't most Rich cunts get Private Healthcare instead or do they still have to go through the NHS to get prescriptions? NHS use appears to be largely invariant with respect to household income, at least compared to education:  (at the bottom, under "benefits in kind") Very slight taper, even in the top decile.
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May 12, 2018 17:28
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cargohills posted:Exemptions or not, I don't think making the sick pay more into the NHS is consistent with the idea of it being free to access. everyone gets sick. it'll tend to average out in the long term
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May 12, 2018 18:16
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Cerv posted:everyone gets sick. it'll tend to average out in the long term The chronically ill and the disabled tend to be sick more often, I would imagine.
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May 13, 2018 00:06
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cargohills posted:The chronically ill and the disabled tend to be sick more often, I would imagine. Good news...the chronically ill and disabled will almost certainly be exempt from prescription charges.
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May 13, 2018 00:11
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Pissflaps posted:Good news...the chronically ill and disabled will almost certainly be exempt from prescription charges. Eh, with a lot of long term conditions if you're in work you don't really get an exemption persay - a prepayment card basically subsidizes every prescription after the first monthly. This would otherwise bite (and still unfortunately does occasionally to uninformed or vulnerable people) particularly hard in mental health where service users often are on multiple medications, may have short prescriptions to limit their on hand medication for their own safety or have medications that are limited to short repeated runs for various reasons (I think abuse potential is one?). Don't get me wrong personally I don't really consider the 110 odd it is a year to be particularly onerous- it's a bargain by any standard - but it's still something more I pay compared to some lucky buggers who never get sick.
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May 13, 2018 00:25
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cargohills posted:The chronically ill and the disabled tend to be sick more often, I would imagine. Anyone with a disability or a chronic condition should already have an EC92 exemption that covers all prescription charges.
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May 13, 2018 00:33
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Why not just save the time of working out exemptions and keep prescriptions as they are then?
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May 13, 2018 01:58
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cargohills posted:Why not just save the time of working out exemptions and keep prescriptions as they are then? Yeah that would be sensible. It’s the same issue with any universal benefit- some people get very concerned about middle class people who can afford to pay getting them.
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May 14, 2018 11:59
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marktheando posted:It’s the same issue with any universal benefit- some people get very concerned about middle class people who can afford to pay getting them. And then you get threshold effects. It's also hard to take into account details like area A having a higher cost of living than area B or person A having more dependents than person B: if you take such factors into account, the formalities to get assistance become much more complex to fill and validate; if you don't your system becomes unfair to people at the thresholds.
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May 14, 2018 13:37
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https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/996388983381737474?s=19 State of this shite. SCOTTISH BILLIONAIRES GOOD ENGLISH BILLIONAIRES BAD naw mate, all billionaires are cunts. Michael Fry is a good advert against magical lefty independence, this is the John Mason, Fergus Ewing of the Nats and they seriously outnumber the Cat Boyd's and Patrick Harvie's.
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May 15, 2018 18:58
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/996388983381737474?s=19 It's probably a reaction to this: https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/12759/analysis-scotland-s-11-billionaires-did-they-really-get-rich-through-their-vision-and quote:Of the 11 billionaires: Speaking of Commonspace, has anyone else been following the weird meltdown former editor Angela Haggerty seems to be having at the Sunday Herald?
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May 15, 2018 19:04
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/996388983381737474?s=19 Meet your new feudal lords!
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May 15, 2018 19:08
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Coohoolin posted:Speaking of Commonspace, has anyone else been following the weird meltdown former editor Angela Haggerty seems to be having at the Sunday Herald? I enjoyed watching the hysterical overreaction of nationalists to a Sunday Herald front page that came beforehand, though I’m not sure if I’d call it a ‘meltdown’.
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May 15, 2018 20:04
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Haggerty pretended to be a journalist for years and made hay from attacking easy targets, now she’s been promoted to a position of actual responsibility the audience has increased, and scrutiny magnified. The non apology she tweeted was loving hilarious in its attempt to turn the rightful backlash against her for deliberately outing a political opponent into an attack on her personally. https://twitter.com/angelahaggerty/status/995991728602730496?s=21 loving retweeting support from McKenna as well she’s lost it Total Meatlove fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 20:32
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Total Meatlove posted:Haggerty pretended to be a journalist for years and made hay from attacking easy targets, now she’s been promoted to a position of actual responsibility the audience has increased, and scrutiny magnified. The non apology she tweeted was loving hilarious in its attempt to turn the rightful backlash against her for deliberately outing a political opponent into an attack on her personally. You're not wrong but I don't think I'd be too far off the mark in wondering if your distaste for her possibly runs along sectarian lines- you're a Rangers supporter, no? Edit: The outed MP's partner wasn't a political opponent, btw, they know each other and she had recently given her a bit of poo poo on FB over a dumb "SJWs gone mad" article she'd written. I suspect a lot of this is motivated by pettiness and spite. It's frankly embarrassing for CommonSpace, who are otherwise staffed by sound people. Ben Wray is great, David Jamieson I don't always agree with (rarely, in fact) but he writes thought provoking pieces, and Robert J Somynne is always class. Edit 2: my favourite thing about that apology tweet was the sly amendment from "LGBT woman" later on in the thread to "LGBT aware woman". Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 20:50
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It was hard going but I managed to get my knuckles off the ground long enough to type
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May 15, 2018 21:19
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Total Meatlove posted:It was hard going but I managed to get my knuckles off the ground long enough to type Just to be clear, Haggerty's big "break" so to speak was working on a book about the Rangers administration scandal, and because she's an explicit Celtic fan she's gotten a LOT of abuse for it over the years. She really should know better.
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May 15, 2018 21:27
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Coohoolin posted:You're not wrong but I don't think I'd be too far off the mark in wondering if your distaste for her possibly runs along sectarian lines- you're a Rangers supporter, no? Still with this bullshit? Why are you always so loving keen to force everything into a narrow prescriptivist sectarian model of Scottishness? Away and take a flying gently caress at a rolling doughnut.
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May 15, 2018 21:31
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Coohoolin posted:You're not wrong but I don't think I'd be too far off the mark in wondering if your distaste for her possibly runs along sectarian lines- you're a Rangers supporter, no? There’s something very wrong with you.
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May 15, 2018 21:33
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EmptyVessel posted:Still with this bullshit? Prior to this Haggerty was best known for her work on this:  So it's kind of relevant.
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May 15, 2018 21:35
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Coohoolin posted:Prior to this Haggerty was best known for her work on this: Not really, you brought it up to try and discredit the poster, not to address anything he said. Pretty much a text book ad hom which you are extremely partial to.
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May 15, 2018 21:37
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Coohoolin posted:Prior to this Haggerty was best known for her work on this: Nobody but you gives a poo poo. Also trying to excuse your use of a stupid sectarian line of attack with "but they did it first" is exactly the bullshit tribal fuckwittery that keeps this toxic shite alive. All colours of sectarian arsehole need a close encounter with a boltgun - or to put it in terms you'd get, gently caress the Pope and the Queen.
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May 15, 2018 21:46
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There’s a small but nastily vocal streak of Scottish nationalists who are just aching for the independence movement to mutate into Tartan Troubles.
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May 15, 2018 21:56
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let's not pretend the glasgow press isn't an incredibly insular atmosphere, that old firm nonsense really matters to a lot of people, and that haggerty came to prominence off the back of stirring up sectarian tension. that's literally what happened. FWIW I think Haggerty's behaviour has been ridiculous and her writing at the SH has been awful. I visibly cringed when I saw her "yo, Stormzy" headline and her columns are constantly tedious. She wasn't a great boss either.
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May 15, 2018 22:09
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casually accusing someone else of being motivated by sectarianism probably wasn't the most diplomatic way of bringing up that section of her backstory if you wanted to talk about it
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May 15, 2018 22:37
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Pissflaps posted:There’s something very wrong with you. He's not the one who had to be banned from all the UK threads mate.
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May 15, 2018 22:41
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Oh hey loads of posts in scotpol wonder what hap-Coohoolin posted:You're not wrong but I don't think I'd be too far off the mark in wondering if your distaste for her possibly runs along sectarian lines- you're a Rangers supporter, no? 
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May 16, 2018 00:25
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Gonzo McFee posted:He's not the one who had to be banned from all the UK threads mate. Sadly untrue, Scotland is still in the UK.
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May 16, 2018 00:29
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The SNP are soon gong to ‘restart the independence debate’. https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/998188915793317888 Do we think they’ll decide Scottish independence is a good idea or a bad idea?
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May 20, 2018 20:23
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Pissflaps posted:The SNP are soon gong to ‘restart the independence debate’. awks. i wasn't aware that the debate had previously stopped
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May 21, 2018 21:42
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It’s ahead of the snp adopting its sixth currency policy position in ten years.
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May 21, 2018 22:01
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Pissflaps posted:It’s ahead of the snp adopting its sixth currency policy position in ten years. It is usually a good thing when parties adjust their policies to current needs instead of clinging dogmatically to something that's not working.
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May 22, 2018 04:41
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jit bull transpile posted:It is usually a good thing when parties adjust their policies to current needs instead of clinging dogmatically to something that's not working. That’s one way of describing a party systematically choosing every possible option in a short period of time in the hope that one sticks. Why a hypothetical independent Scotland’s currency ‘needs’ would change so often isn’t clear to me.
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May 22, 2018 07:27
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jit bull transpile posted:It is usually a good thing when parties adjust their policies to current needs instead of clinging dogmatically to something that's not working. You mean like trying to get people to support independence?
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May 22, 2018 10:15
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Well the currency plan was often cited as a reason for voting no so hopefully they can come up with a more appealing plan. Being pegged to sterling certainly sounds a lot shitter post Brexit.
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May 22, 2018 13:17
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Just loving make a new one and float the drat thing or peg it to kroner what the gently caress. Get Stieglitz on the phone already.
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May 22, 2018 13:27
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marktheando posted:Well the currency plan was often cited as a reason for voting no so hopefully they can come up with a more appealing plan. Being pegged to sterling certainly sounds a lot shitter post Brexit. Is being pegged to sterling the new plan?
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May 22, 2018 13:39
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Pissflaps posted:Is being pegged to sterling the new plan? I hope not.
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