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BattleMaster posted:Unlike what the show wants you to feel, I think that ORB got everything it deserved But... but... muh Japan analogue!  Kanos posted:I don't think SEED not being nuanced is a mistake, I think it's clearly by design. The entire show is written in an extremely direct and melodramatic manner, and I don't think it ever pretends to be interested in too many shades of gray. The closest it ever gets are characters like Natarle, and Natarle is less a shade of gray and more a character who switches from good to bad and back. This is an excellent point - I'd bet that you're right.
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https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2018-05-11/gundam-wing-executive-producer-hideyuki-tomioka/.131472 short interview with the Exec Producer of Wing quote:Now, G-Gundam had this weird reputation because it was so different in comparison to the original Gundam series. Part of what made G-Gundam so unique and different was that it had all these new mobile suits that were duking it out. So when it came time for Gundam Wing, which came right after, our sponsor Bandai literally came to us and said, "We want at least five new mobile suits in this series. And as long as their model kits sell...[everyone laughs] quote:Do you keep up with recent Gundam productions, and have any impressed you? Motto fucked around with this message at 06:31 on May 12, 2018 |
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Doesn't explain how they ended up with Sandrock, so I'll guess the five are the other four and Tallgeese.
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chumbler posted:Doesn't explain how they ended up with Sandrock, so I'll guess the five are the other four and Tallgeese. They had to hedge their bets not every swing is a home run
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Motto posted:https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2018-05-11/gundam-wing-executive-producer-hideyuki-tomioka/.131472 I mean it's pretty hard to argue with the idea that pretty much every recent Gundam series has been 'taking the formula and rearranging it in new ways." You either get UC rehash or "ancient Gundam legend which serves as a metacommentary on Gundam as a franchise" or literal Gunpla fighting.
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In that sense Wing really is the outlier in the franchise for coming from a very different angle.
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Arcsquad12 posted:In that sense Wing really is the outlier in the franchise for coming from a very different angle. I dunno, the Freedom Gundam often came from a very different angle too  .HiMat joke.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean it's pretty hard to argue with the idea that pretty much every recent Gundam series has been 'taking the formula and rearranging it in new ways." You either get UC rehash or "ancient Gundam legend which serves as a metacommentary on Gundam as a franchise" or literal Gunpla fighting.
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Raxivace posted:In that sense Build Divers has broken new ground, because now we have completely digital Gunpla fighting!  That would go to Gunpla Builders Beginning G  .
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ImpAtom posted:I mean it's pretty hard to argue with the idea that pretty much every recent Gundam series has been 'taking the formula and rearranging it in new ways." You either get UC rehash or "ancient Gundam legend which serves as a metacommentary on Gundam as a franchise" or literal Gunpla fighting. I'd respond it's fairly ironic to use Gundam X (What if the One Year War went worse? Also Newtypes, what's the deal?) and Turn A Gundam (A set containing all Gundam) as examples of Gundam breaking away from its past.
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chiasaur11 posted:I'd respond it's fairly ironic to use Gundam X (What if the One Year War went worse? Also Newtypes, what's the deal?) and Turn A Gundam (A set containing all Gundam) as examples of Gundam breaking away from its past. That is a very fair point. Honestly it's been a problem for a while and Wing isn't free of it anyway. ("Let's do Char's entire arc in a single series.")
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I might be crazy, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Gundam series mostly being reconfigurations and permutations of specific themes and concepts. I don't really like when shows include traditional Gundam imagery and themes just to move down a checklist(Unicorn is hugely guilty of this), but in my opinion if you're going to break away from the franchise's past completely, is there any real value in making it a Gundam show instead of something new(besides the gunpla $$$)? The core set of themes and ideas that govern the franchise as a whole have an enormous breadth of interpretations available. This is a franchise that manages to encompass shows ranging from Turn A to IBO to G Gundam. There's a fair amount of wiggle room for new perspectives and fresh takes.
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Kanos posted:I might be crazy, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Gundam series mostly being reconfigurations and permutations of specific themes and concepts. What I was about to say, even if I was going to take a different angle to the same point. No point in complaining birds have feathers, you know? It's the limitations as well as the variety that categorizes works. It also means you have tools to quickly communicate ideas to the viewer, both saving time in conveying a message, and so they can be subverted in a way that surprises the viewer without violating the rules you've actually set up.
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chumbler posted:Doesn't explain how they ended up with Sandrock, so I'll guess the five are the other four and Tallgeese. Sandrock is a good looking gundam.
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Kanos posted:I might be crazy, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Gundam series mostly being reconfigurations and permutations of specific themes and concepts. The problem is that it's become, for lack of a better term, incestuous. You can take on themes and ideas but what Unicorn does is closer to what Gundam is now: A series that mostly exists to be about itself. Beyond a certain point, yeah, "why is this Gundam" is a fair question to ask and it's a difficult question to ask because honestly "why is this Gundam" is always going to be answered by "because Gundam sells." Otherwise there's not much stopping you from doing a Metal Armor Dragonar even if you jut want to rehash Gundam stuff. But even taking that into account, Gundam being a safer seller is why it should expand. Because it can do those things and give us a G Gundam or whatever or at least to stand on its own two feet rather than feeling the need to go back to the same dwindling well of ideas. The "Gundam about Gundam" thing would probably be less tedious if it didn't happen so often. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 12, 2018 |
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Motto posted:"However, after working on Gundam Wing, I worked on Gundam X, and then together with creator Tomino, we worked on Turn A Gundam. For me, those three series are kind of the beyond all, end all for Gundam." this dude loves wing a bit too much though tbf wing introduced the "extremely pretty boys being sad about war" part of gundam that stuck around for seed/00 so maybe he's right
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Darth Walrus posted:TBH, ZZ is also kind of pessimistic. Its protagonists just have a slower, gentler descent into hell. judau is the only protagonist of the UC trilogy to not end up as some kind of burnt-out husk of a person so he's got that going for him
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Yinlock posted:this dude loves wing a bit too much He does strike me as the type to be low-key annoyed that they kept making Gundam after he stopped working on it.
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Yinlock posted:judau is the only protagonist of the UC trilogy to not end up as some kind of burnt-out husk of a person so he's got that going for him Kamille recovered. Went on to be a doctor on the moon.
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Yinlock posted:judau is the only protagonist of the UC trilogy to not end up as some kind of burnt-out husk of a person so he's got that going for him  He lived a long and fruitful life and eventually became Detective Bookman out of Seinfeld.
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chiasaur11 posted:Kamille recovered. Went on to be a doctor on the moon. Uhh what?
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Uhh what? At the end of ZZ Kamille gets better, and in some novel (i think?) he decides to become a doctor after that.
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It turns out that being able to use a magical brain power to understand people really helps when a kid comes in going "my tummy hurts" or "I have a weird stabbing pain" so you can know exactly what they mean by that and help 'em out.
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EthanSteele posted:It turns out that being able to use a magical brain power to understand people really helps when a kid comes in going "my tummy hurts" or "I have a weird stabbing pain" so you can know exactly what they mean by that and help 'em out. And if they make trouble, being able to talk about the time you threw a guy off a mountain also helps.
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Added bonus: Your first name is replaced by Doctor, and Doctor is a man's name.
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ImpAtom posted:The problem is that it's become, for lack of a better term, incestuous. You can take on themes and ideas but what Unicorn does is closer to what Gundam is now: A series that mostly exists to be about itself. Beyond a certain point, yeah, "why is this Gundam" is a fair question to ask and it's a difficult question to ask because honestly "why is this Gundam" is always going to be answered by "because Gundam sells." Otherwise there's not much stopping you from doing a Metal Armor Dragonar even if you jut want to rehash Gundam stuff. The problem is that it's really easy to conflate "I don't like this show" with "This show is unoriginal and is merely aping previous, better Gundam shows". Who decides what's incestuous? Is IBO incestuous? Is G-Reco? Is 00? Where's the line? If you twist and turn yourself hard enough you can define literally any Gundam show like this. Here, I'll try: Turn A is a boring, unoriginal show because it's built around rehashing the tired Gundam meme of being about a war between space assholes and earth assholes. Z Gundam is a boring, unoriginal show because it doesn't have enough faith in its own cast to stand up without dragging out the tired and overdone character Char Aznable and even jumps the shark by bringing back Amuro. Later on, they even bring back Zeon and give it the incredibly "original" name of "Neo Zeon"! Obviously these are idiotic arguments, but whenever I look at a new show and read people complaining about how it's too Gundam-referential I always raise an eyebrow because it's really easy to make the jump from "this show references and utilizes a lot of common Gundam tropes and themes" to nitpicking that a show is unoriginal garbage because a blonde guy wore a mask.
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Droyer posted:At the end of ZZ Kamille gets better, and in some novel (i think?) he decides to become a doctor after that. I like that the only times people get happy endings in the universal century is when they say "gently caress this" and stop fighting chiasaur11 posted:Kamille recovered. Went on to be a doctor on the moon. dude still got cursed by a space wizard so hard that he fell into a coma
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on that note given his temperament his medical practice must be just non-stop excitable assholes beating the poo poo out of each-other another patient saved
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https://twitter.com/sasuraiger/status/995484518185304064 Sometimes Super Robot Wars says very real truths.
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Droyer posted:At the end of ZZ Kamille gets better, and in some novel (i think?) he decides to become a doctor after that. It has apparently been far longer since I've seen ZZ than I would care to admit because I don't remember that at all.
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Blaze Dragon posted:https://twitter.com/sasuraiger/status/995484518185304064 pretty much all interactions between the younger characters and him are him being like "if you can't sense my intent you cannot truly evolve weighed down by gravity newtypes soul war peace" and them responding with "what the gently caress are you even talking about, you lunatic" it's great
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Char Aznable is right and did nothing wrong hail aeug
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Yinlock posted:pretty much all interactions between the younger characters and him are him being like "if you can't sense my intent you cannot truly evolve weighed down by gravity newtypes soul war peace" and them responding with "what the gently caress are you even talking about, you lunatic" SRW X is great because spends over a dozen stages dumping on Char. There's a great scene between him and Bellri that amounts to Bellri basically telling Char he's totally wrong and has no clue how history and culture work. This is incidentally after a chat between him and Aida that Bellri interrupts after someone nudges him in the ribs and says "Hey, you know Char has a thing for girls, you really want your sister spending time with that creep?" Also you can get the Nightingale and it's a real good unit.
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I enjoy how Bellri's response to Char is like "Yeah, uh, I'm from your future and we got problems but it turns out we didn't destroy the Earth and in fact it's pretty fuckin' lush and green, we even undid the environmental damage, so maybe you're the one in the wrong" and Char is like "Well... poo poo."
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Sorry for the random question but can anyone in here speak Japanese? I'm just wondering how good or bad the Wing localization is. I'm re-watching the first episode and I think most people know how infamous it is, especially everything Zechs says. (what is "he's intense perhaps"?! Is it "he's intense! Perhaps...?" Or "he's intense, perhaps..." What is he talking about?) But apart from the first few episodes, things seem to level out and make more sense and sound natural (for Wing) later on.
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Speaking of Char, I want to get some opinions from Gundam English Dub nerds on something: about 4 1/2 years ago, I got Brad Swaile to autograph a Char's Counterattack movie poster. Steve Blum is going to be a guest at a local convention I'm attending next month. Do you think I should have him sign the poster as well, even if he didn't play Char in that movie? I only attend the one local con each year, so I doubt I'd get the chance to have it signed by any other Chars. In other words, keep the poster with only Amuro, or have it also signed by "Gundamn" Char?
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NikkolasKing posted:Sorry for the random question but can anyone in here speak Japanese? Can you remind me what scene that is? I haven't seen the dub in forever but I have the Japanese version so I can check real quick. Edit: Nevermind, found it. It looks like it's supposed to be more like "He's powerful! Could it be...?" Basically he's saying "That suit isn't taking damage. Could it be...?" (With the unspoke dialogue being "Could it be made of Gundanium alloy/could it be a Gundam?") ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 05:38 on May 13, 2018 |
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