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TenementFunster posted:lol we have 33% odds that he'll come back spouting Juche
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sexpig by night posted:we have 33% odds that he'll come back spouting Juche Trump going full ceaucescu would be fitting for this timeline
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May 11, 2018 15:46
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Peven Stan posted:Trump going full ceaucescu would be fitting for this timeline well with ICE and military expansion and war on dissenters and all I have been enjoying seeing what my grandparents saw when the Nazis took Romania, only fair I get to see the other side too. This is that land of opportunity thing they came here for right, fascist speedruns?
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Got an update to my "Google Time Zone Data" app on my phone just now. I assume that's to account for NK ditching that weird half-time zone thing they had going on. I got that update too, but North Korea is still 30 minutes behind South Korea when I looked just now.
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May 11, 2018 19:03
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OhFunny posted:I got that update too, but North Korea is still 30 minutes behind South Korea when I looked just now. If the update is indeed related, it could simply have a switch-over timestamp integrated.
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May 11, 2018 19:09
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sexpig by night posted:we have 33% odds that he'll come back spouting Juche Trump wants American Juche, he just doesn't know it yet.
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May 12, 2018 03:07
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Telephones posted:Trump wants American Juche, he just doesn't know it yet. if Kelly was smart he'd give Trump a pamphlet...ok have someone read him a pamphlet....where he just describes an American Juche based around MAGA and let him go into negotiations thinking Kim and he are on the exact same page.
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sexpig by night posted:if Kelly was smart he'd give Trump a pamphlet...ok have someone read him a pamphlet....where he just describes an American Juche based around MAGA and let him go into negotiations thinking Kim and he are on the exact same page. *find+replace 'Korea' to 'America'*
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https://twitter.com/WSJPolitics/status/995084383001497601 I'm guessing by this he means he'll be happy to turn NK into another Western sweat shop mill https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/995298347870248961 lol, life goals indeed
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May 12, 2018 15:20
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Chomskyan posted:I'm guessing by this he means he'll be happy to turn NK into another Western sweat shop mill I'm sure most Vietnamese people wish they were North Korean instead.
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May 12, 2018 16:19
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When it comes to sweatshops that slaughter their workers, it's somehow more acceptable if they're North Korean-owned. Just don't say it out loud, pointing out false dichotomies gets you probed for sluggish schizophrenia around here. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 13, 2018 00:25
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/allyjung/status/994820639067443200 This isn't so surprising as it sounds. There was open speculation at the time that the timing of such a large defection, right before the Parliamentary Elections, was a propaganda move by the ruling conservative government. Defections aren't actually supposed to be announced until several months after they've happened in order to weed out spies. It's not a big leap to go from that to wondering whether the defections themselves were specifically engineered for that purpose, especially considering the NIS's behavior in 2012. Incidentally, for those who forgot how North Korea responded to the mass defection- they claimed that it was a kidnapping all along, and requested they be allowed to send family members of the defectors to Seoul to meet with them. It was the biggest example to date of their treating defectors as political or economic victims rather than traitors. The willingness of North Korea's government to make a huge public move like that while South Korea's government predictably swatted it down...well, it's just one of the many examples explaining why it is that South Korean citizens do not have the hate boner for the North that so many posters in this thread are so proud of whipping out at the slightest provocation.
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May 13, 2018 00:48
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The fact that North Koreans can be blackmailed by threatening to tell the regime that they were watching TV is apparently below consideration
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May 13, 2018 00:54
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Evidently you missed this- South Koreans could also be threatened the same way, and people have actually been jailed for it. Hopefully both governments are now moving away from these policies. Personally I think intelligence services loving around with allegedly democratic elections is a much bigger deal than any of that. Although I think I can hazard a guess why you don't find that particular line of discussion to be quite so interesting.
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Quoting this here instead of doing all the hard work of linking tweets myself.
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WarpedNaba posted:When it comes to sweatshops that slaughter their workers, it's somehow more acceptable if they're North Korean-owned. not really. being a giant baby about probations on the other hand
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May 13, 2018 22:54
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Looks like America is getting rolled
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May 13, 2018 23:15
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At this point can you really say the US is the world's lone superpower? gently caress, the way things are going we will probably be second place within a decade. Granted, I have a hard time seeing that deal as being acceptable, North Korea would essentially almost be giving up nothing. It clearly has the technology to rebuild ICBMs as needed much less bio or chem weapons. It would be a massive and unqualified victory for Pyongyang (and would absolutely cloud the Iranian situation). Ardennes fucked around with this message at 23:40 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 23:31
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Vladimir Putin posted:Looks like America is getting rolled kinda yea. In the sense that Trump's team isn't gonna ever get the "REAL 100% PROVEN DENUCLEARIZATION" thing and never was gonna anyway. If that is the deal Trump will get mocked for functionally having a big show to get absolutely nothing, and all the "LOL LIBS LOOKS LIKE MADMAN THEORY WORKS" pre-emptive football spiking looks as dumb as we knew it would, but this is also exactly the result anyone with any knowledge of the region expects. Unless we're willing to fully pull out of Korea NK will never agree to anything meaningful, and frankly shouldn't because lol that'd be so loving stupid of them. Un's a young man with a long career in front of him, he'd likely very much like to be seen as the man who brought a cooling period to things, and we can give him that for very little on either side and I think that's a net win for the region if things can step back on both sides, which seems to be Moon's plan too.
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May 13, 2018 23:51
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It’s occurred to me that Trump is pursuing this just to get a peace prize so that he can be better than Obama.
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May 13, 2018 23:59
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Vladimir Putin posted:It’s occurred to me that Trump is pursuing this just to get a peace prize so that he can be better than Obama. absolutely yes
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May 14, 2018 00:03
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This is trump’s Brest litovsk so they can go and focus their entire war machine towards Iran.
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May 14, 2018 00:03
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I'm just glad he's leading his Brest life
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May 14, 2018 00:07
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I don't even know what to expect at this point. Bolton is running the line of "we demand everything, it's 100% non-negotiable, and it'd be really nice if these talks could fail so we can get to the bomb-dropping part," Trump on the other hand looks like he's willing to get completely rolled as long as he gets to put his name on something, and Pompeo clearly has no idea what the gently caress he's doing. If that deal outline's real, then it's worse than doing nothing, and the only upside is that it's better than going to war. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 01:58 on May 14, 2018 |
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sexpig by night posted:kinda yea. In the sense that Trump's team isn't gonna ever get the "REAL 100% PROVEN DENUCLEARIZATION" thing and never was gonna anyway. If that is the deal Trump will get mocked for functionally having a big show to get absolutely nothing, and all the "LOL LIBS LOOKS LIKE MADMAN THEORY WORKS" pre-emptive football spiking looks as dumb as we knew it would, but this is also exactly the result anyone with any knowledge of the region expects. Unless we're willing to fully pull out of Korea NK will never agree to anything meaningful, and frankly shouldn't because lol that'd be so loving stupid of them. his first name isn't un
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May 14, 2018 01:47
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R. Guyovich posted:his first name isn't un you're right
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Vladimir Putin posted:It’s occurred to me that Trump is pursuing this just to get a peace prize so that he can be better than Obama. Hopefully this thinking makes him do a new deal with Iran. Give that fat rear end in a top hat all the shiny awards if it means no war.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Hopefully this thinking makes him do a new deal with Iran.
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May 14, 2018 02:37
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I was really happy when Kim Jong-Un and South Korea started to make friends. No mass civilian fire blastings, thank god. At the same time I had stopped paying attention to American politics and in turn forgot about the actually super loving dumb rear end in a top hat baby POTUS and Yosemite Sam. I'm glad Pompeo met with KJU though, I imagine they bonded over the buffet.
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OneEightHundred posted:Nobody, especially Iran, is gonna trust the US to uphold its end of any more international agreements when we're willing to tear them up for the stupidest and pettiest possible reasons, and Trump will never do it anyway because "durr, gotta look tough on Radical Islamic Terror." Native Americans coulda warned you.
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Telephones posted:I was really happy when Kim Jong-Un and South Korea started to make friends. No mass civilian fire blastings, thank god. At the same time I had stopped paying attention to American politics and in turn forgot about the actually super loving dumb rear end in a top hat baby POTUS and Yosemite Sam. it rules that the current state of the quest for peace in the area hinges on if the two Koreas can successfully negotiate with each other while nodding and smiling at our big wet president so he doesn't get too angry and scuttle everything. Like, they probably are gonna straight up give him a peace prize just for not loving up Kim and Moon's work and all of American media is 100% in lockstep with his talking points saying 'yes actually he did a very good thing making all this happen and being personally responsible for all of this'.
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May 14, 2018 04:46
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This would be the second time an American President got a Nobel just for not starting a war before the prize was awarded.
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In much the same way that bravery is overcoming fear, not simply being immune to it, to truly deserve the Nobel Peace Prize you must overcome your longing for blood and terror rather than merely be a peaceful soul.
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May 14, 2018 05:27
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"The US unasses the Army out of Korea and draws down to a couple of airbases" is pretty much a best case scenario for America so if this is what getting rolled looks like we should do it more often.
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May 14, 2018 06:50
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So much winning, even when he loses, he wins.
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May 14, 2018 11:47
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Rent-A-Cop posted:"The US unasses the Army out of Korea and draws down to a couple of airbases" is pretty much a best case scenario for America so if this is what getting rolled looks like we should do it more often.
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May 14, 2018 11:55
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TenementFunster posted:ever get the feeling that the US is *actually* negotiating with China? Probably because this is what has been happening for a while, the question is do we accept China's developing dominance over Asia (if not much of the developing world? Honestly, I think part of the issue is it has been quite a while (arguably since the early 1980s) since the US has fought a power that could contest it and in this case, we are also stuck with effectively subsidizing its economy.
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Ardennes posted:Probably because this is what has been happening for a while, the question is do we accept China's developing dominance over Asia (if not much of the developing world? in their recent in-person meeting, Xi probably told Kim what fabulous prizes china would give NK if Kim managed to get US to GTFO in exchange for dismantling a few ICBMs. would be a huge win for china.
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May 14, 2018 14:45
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Yeah I think removing troops from the peninsula is a loss for the US.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Yeah I think removing troops from the peninsula is a loss for the US. but probably a win for the region as a whole. Sometimes actually walking the whole 'superpower' walk means you take an L to maintain global stability.
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