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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Jfc if south Africa calls you on your bullshit you done hosed up South Africa: progressive on racial issues. This isn't even a top ten headline in 2018. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vasudus posted:Uber and other services in that market will continue to exist even after they're done getting hosed by the courts over labor violations (and rightly so), that genie is out of the bottle. Won't be as cheap though, that's for sure. I'm perfectly okay with this, because if nothing else, it forced the taxi industry to stop sucking. People who hate Uber clearly never had to deal with DC area taxis.
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May 14, 2018 20:18
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I just hate companies that think regulation is a burden that needs to be disrupted, call me crazy
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May 14, 2018 20:20
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Mr. Nice! posted:Uber loses money on almost every ride still and has burned through insane amounts of vc at crazy rates. Uber is in big trouble if more states start adopting the ABC worker classification ruling that NJ, Maryland, and California now have. They're about to get really slammed hard over this in california. Ride sharing apps need to build a driver network and a rider network concurrently and do this with those subsidies. They are also fighting for market share.
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May 14, 2018 20:27
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psydude posted:I'm perfectly okay with this, because if nothing else, it forced the taxi industry to stop sucking. Yeah it's got some legit good outcomes for some areas. I took a taxi from the Rockville metro two weeks ago because my phone battery was shamefully low and it took three cabs to get one that had a "working" card reader. Uh huh. It's illegal to not have a working one, allegedly.
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May 14, 2018 20:29
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psydude posted:I'm perfectly okay with this, because if nothing else, it forced the taxi industry to stop sucking. I must have insane luck because the DC cabs I've taken were all great.
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May 14, 2018 20:29
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mods change my name posted:I just hate companies that think regulation is a burden that needs to be disrupted, call me crazy Edit: Obviously, Uber's exploitation of cheap labor from "contractors" is a massive shitshow and is symptomatic of broader problems with the declining power of labor in the United States. We're caught between douchebag weasels finding loopholes to get around a cartel and old-money curmudgeons jealously exploiting their turf. Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 14, 2018 |
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May 14, 2018 20:30
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psydude posted:I'm perfectly okay with this, because if nothing else, it forced the taxi industry to stop sucking. Credit card machine is broken.
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May 14, 2018 20:35
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BigDave posted:Credit card machine is broken. Arlington? Nah I'm not driving there.
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May 14, 2018 20:36
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I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the current status quo, but it's not as if Uber and company are doing it for the betterment of society when they're exploiting their
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May 14, 2018 20:37
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You want pick up? Ok, be there in 45 to 200 minutes.
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May 14, 2018 20:37
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I must have insane luck because the DC cabs I've taken were all great. DC used to be broken into zones for taxis. If your destination was in the "wrong" zone you would either have a cab driver refuse service or charge you a quadrillion dollars for going into there. Zones did not make much sense, either, and unless you were used to them is a completely opaque thing. It might still be broken into zones, I haven't taken a cab in DC proper in a few years. My real issues with taxis, as someone that does not drive, is the fact that they're scummy as gently caress very often. I've been kicked out of cabs because they didn't want to use their card reader, refused service because their card reader is "broken", been taken on long detours to rack up extra fares, or been harassed because "I look like the kind that can tip more". About this time last year I even had a guy refuse to use the company provided (installed in the back seat!) card reader and insist I used his personal one, then got really angry when I refused because I needed a receipt. I've called the switchboard before and been stood up on a pickup, many times. People like to harp on the fact that their cab driver doesn't speak English or the cab smells funny. I've had plenty of Ubers that are like that too. But it gets me from where I am, to where I want to be, in a reasonable time, for a defined amount of money. It shouldn't be that hard, but it is.
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May 14, 2018 20:38
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Jfc if south Africa calls you on your bullshit you done hosed up For real, here's some  helmetcam footage in which a .za bike cop empties his entire mag during a high speed pursuit through a crowded neighborhood and gets attaboys at the end.https://youtu.be/3n8KrdixvZc
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May 14, 2018 20:44
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When South Africa is protesting genocide, you know it’s bad. Efb but who cares
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May 14, 2018 20:47
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Also, privatizing the EMS service is working out fuckin' great in my hometown. Dude at one of the local factories dropped a coil of rolled steel on his leg today and then had to wait almost an extra hour to get transported because the first ambulance on scene overheated in the parking lot while they were extricating him and the second went to the wrong goddamn plant.
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May 14, 2018 20:51
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Melenia at Walter Reed recovering from a kidney procedure
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May 14, 2018 20:53
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Mr. Nice! posted:Tesla is burning money at an unprecedented rate and without massive capital injections could go bankrupt this year. Same with Uber and that's going to be an amazing collapse
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May 14, 2018 21:02
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Syrian Lannister posted:Melenia at Walter Reed recovering from a kidney procedure Kids are pretty close to her ovaries. Trump got her fixed? What the gently caress?
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May 14, 2018 21:03
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You guys act as if they can't just raise additional capital. Amazon did the same thing for years, and I got two packages delivered this morning so I don't think they went bankrupt.
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May 14, 2018 21:04
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psydude posted:You guys act as if they can't just raise additional capital. Amazon did the same thing for years, and I got two packages delivered this morning so I don't think they went bankrupt. Their operating income went farther into the red by a billion dollars last year. It’s not sustainable.
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May 14, 2018 21:07
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boop the snoot posted:Their operating income went farther into the red by a billion dollars last year. It’s not sustainable. Amazon was routinely burning through $250-500 million per quarter during its first few years of being publicly traded. People still snatched up shares. Tesla is probably angling to do the same thing. Uber is still privately held, but at this point it's so ubiquitous that I doubt VCs will stop injecting money into it. e: I would agree with you about Uber, since it's hard to say what Uber is actively investing in other than possibly trying to become a monopoly. But Tesla has $28.6bn in assets, so it's not like they're pissing money away. psydude fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 14, 2018 |
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May 14, 2018 21:11
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So, whats the end game? VC groups keep funding these companies until the heat death of the universe, in effect subsidizing them like a shadow government?
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May 14, 2018 21:19
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For Uber it seems to be disrupt the market until existing taxi regimes collapse then Uber can charge whatever the hell they want which segues into Uber's self driving car division suddenly removing the need to pay drivers at all. Maybe a couple guys in the depot to hose down the car's grills every so often, though.
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May 14, 2018 21:22
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LingcodKilla posted:Kids are pretty close to her ovaries. Trump got her fixed? What the gently caress? She's like, 51? Menopause took care of that after Barron.
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May 14, 2018 21:22
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BigDave posted:So, whats the end game? VC groups keep funding these companies until the heat death of the universe, in effect subsidizing them like a shadow government? I think they know that they're hosed when the music stops so they just keep pumping more money into it in the hopes they're not the ones left holding the bag.
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May 14, 2018 21:23
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psydude posted:Amazon was routinely burning through $250-500 million per quarter during its first few years of being publicly traded. People still snatched up shares. Tesla is probably angling to do the same thing. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 21:25 on May 14, 2018 |
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May 14, 2018 21:23
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BigDave posted:So, whats the end game? VC groups keep funding these companies until the heat death of the universe, in effect subsidizing them like a shadow government? Well, Tesla is publicly traded. There is no more VC, they just issue more shares on the primary market. Uber will probably be pushed to an IPO eventually, so the same thing.
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May 14, 2018 21:24
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boop the snoot posted:The amount of money spent and their operating income are completely different things. Double posting because of phone. That WAS their operating income. Amazon's operating income was -250 to -500 million almost every quarter between 2000 and 2004.
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May 14, 2018 21:25
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psydude posted:That WAS their operating income. Double posting because of phone. Amazon's operating income was -250 to -500 million almost every quarter between 2000 and 2004. Fair enough. Your terminology was slightly off but I get what you’re saying now.
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May 14, 2018 21:26
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boop the snoot posted:Fair enough. Your terminology was slightly off but I get what you’re saying now. You're right, burning through implies expenditures. I was thinking more of their cash on hand.
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May 14, 2018 21:27
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Amazon’s R&D spending far exceeded their operating deficit though, Jeff Bezos could have flipped the switch to “Profit” any time he wanted and the market recognized that. Tesla can’t produce enough to scale to profit, and what they do sell is killing people. They can turn around but it’s going to be a hard turn to make.
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May 14, 2018 21:45
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psydude posted:You guys act as if they can't just raise additional capital. Amazon did the same thing for years, and I got two packages delivered this morning so I don't think they went bankrupt. Amazon was doing poo poo like investing in warehouses and inventory so they could two-day ship stuff and things like that, but they were, you know, managing to still ship books. Tesla needs to sort out the whole "building cars* thing pretty fuckin quick because they kinda suck at it right now.
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May 14, 2018 21:49
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I must have insane luck because the DC cabs I've taken were all great. You haven’t had the full DC taxi experience until one guy tries to charge you $80 per person to take you from H Street to northern Alexandria. I deleted my Uber account because they got to be too creepy, but I will still use Lyft frequently. (I recognize that they’re probably just as bad, but at least they’re less overtly evil than Uber)
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FrozenVent posted:Amazon’s R&D spending far exceeded their operating deficit though, Jeff Bezos could have flipped the switch to “Profit” any time he wanted and the market recognized that. Elon's knowledge of manufacturing is also... flawed. Delivering 2500 cars a week is serious poo poo as he found out the hard way. And before the printer ink is dry on that 2500 he wants to double that within 3 months. Goddamn, man, come back to reality.
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May 14, 2018 21:50
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They're set to hit 3000 cars this week before the planned shutdown. We'll see.
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May 14, 2018 21:53
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I will give Tesla this though, it got people excited in battery research and that can't be a bad thing.
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May 14, 2018 21:53
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Aren’t their battery packs COTS cells wrapped together?
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May 14, 2018 21:58
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FrozenVent posted:Aren’t their battery packs COTS cells wrapped together? They are Panasonic cells I believe.
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May 14, 2018 21:59
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FrozenVent posted:Aren’t their battery packs COTS cells wrapped together? I believe the idea is to eventually produce their own cells. They're building several lines at their Nevada factory for it.
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FrozenVent posted:Aren’t their battery packs COTS cells wrapped together? One of their big pieces of IP was the battery managers so they could use COTS cells without blowing anything up.
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