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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Maybe the robot would tell you that, but humans don't work that way. Large organizations kind of do, though. If this particular design works well and its functionality is good enough to fill some role then it'll get bought, most likely by decision makers who won't really need to interact with it on a day-to-day basis anyway. Creepy robot dog failing is way more likely because it's useless or too expensive or whatever than because it happens to creep some people out.
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May 12, 2018 16:49
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There's also the issue that biological systems have billions of years of evolution behind them which has allowed them to explore a fuckload of
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May 12, 2018 22:00
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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No one thinks a robot dog has feelings but you can draw a drawing of a dog and people will get upset by its fictional suffering because humans millions of years of evolution made empathy that overapplies instead of underapplies so gets triggered even in places it is illogical. https://youtu.be/dBqhIVyfsRg
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May 13, 2018 02:53
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Have Boston Dynamics ever actually sold any robots? Their videos of walking robots pop up from time to time, and I remember they had defence grants to develop things like robots which could be pack mules and stuff, but I can't recall ever seeing anything about a robot they made which has actually gone into production, and they've been around for what, twenty five years?
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May 13, 2018 11:40
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Reveilled posted:Have Boston Dynamics ever actually sold any robots? Their videos of walking robots pop up from time to time, and I remember they had defence grants to develop things like robots which could be pack mules and stuff, but I can't recall ever seeing anything about a robot they made which has actually gone into production, and they've been around for what, twenty five years? the current robodog will go on sale this year or next
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May 13, 2018 13:53
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ElCondemn posted:The fact that they’ve continued work on this robot design for as long as they have is weird. Everyone that sees that thing is unsettled. The way it sounds and moves is just disturbing to people, how do the creators not see this? No, nothing close to everyone who sees it is "unsettled" or "disturbed". That's some weird personal hangup of you and a few others.
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May 13, 2018 14:24
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fishmech posted:No, nothing close to everyone who sees it is "unsettled" or "disturbed". That's some weird personal hangup of you and a few others. 
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May 13, 2018 14:37
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fishmech posted:No, nothing close to everyone who sees it is "unsettled" or "disturbed". That's some weird personal hangup of you and a few others. Good point, I should make sure to run a poll before using hyperbole. A lot of people think there robots look and sound disturbing and unsettling, otherwise you wouldn’t be annoyed by all of us pointing it out whenever these videos are posted.
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May 13, 2018 14:56
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ElCondemn posted:Good point, I should make sure to run a poll before using hyperbole. A lot of people think there robots look and sound disturbing and unsettling, otherwise you wouldn’t be annoyed by all of us pointing it out whenever these videos are posted. Man wait til you see a large metropolitan zoo sometime, you might be driven mad by the way regular animals look and sound!
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May 13, 2018 15:37
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fishmech posted:Man wait til you see a large metropolitan zoo sometime, you might be driven mad by the way regular animals look and sound! What’s your problem? There are plenty of articles out there that use the same terms I did, just being a dick for no reason?
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May 13, 2018 16:11
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ElCondemn posted:The fact that they’ve continued work on this robot design for as long as they have is weird. Everyone that sees that thing is unsettled. The way it sounds and moves is just disturbing to people, how do the creators not see this? This is such a weird take. Why would they care if it makes you feel uncomfortable? They're trying to A) develop technology and B) create something utilitarian. Turns out that design works pretty well. Whether or not it makes you "unsettled" doesn't matter at all - it's not a living assistant for your grandma, it's a utility robot made for the military.
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May 13, 2018 17:35
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i'm the general who stops robodog acquisition because robodogs might creep out 3% of the enemy troops once or twice
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May 13, 2018 18:13
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suck my woke dick posted:i'm the general who stops robodog acquisition because robodogs might creep out 3% of the enemy troops once or twice thank you for your service 
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May 13, 2018 18:22
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ElCondemn posted:What’s your problem? There are plenty of articles out there that use the same terms I did, just being a dick for no reason? I sincerely doubt there's a bunch of articles out there saying "EVERYONE IS TERRIFIED OF ROBOT JOINTS" etc. Again, try going to a zoo and look at the way animals move, you'll find that not everything looks just like a common domestic creature.
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May 13, 2018 19:48
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suck my woke dick posted:i'm the general who stops robodog acquisition because robodogs might creep out 3% of the enemy troops once or twice Exactly. RoboDogs are marketed towards the military where purchasing decisions are made by people who never have to interact with the technology. Whether it creeps out the troops is a nonfactor. The Pentagon would buy giant mechanical spiders powered by eating the enemy dead if they
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May 13, 2018 20:53
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fishmech posted:I sincerely doubt there's a bunch of articles out there saying "EVERYONE IS TERRIFIED OF ROBOT JOINTS" etc. A simple google search reveals you're just an rear end in a top hat. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/28/boston-dynamics-handle-nightmare-inducing-hybrid-robot-google https://www.cnet.com/news/boston-dynamics-gives-door-opening-dog-robot-spotmini-a-hard-time/ https://www.wired.com/story/watch-a-human-try-to-fight-off-that-door-opening-robot-dog/ https://nerdist.com/boston-dynamics-robot-dog-spot-new-upgrade/ https://interestingengineering.com/video/boston-dynamics-dog-robot-can-now-run-autonomously https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/boston-dynamics-trains-creepy-robot-12516513 Do you have some kind of point or are you just trying to prove how manly you are? Social acceptance of robots is a large part of the field, pretending like it's a non factor is stupid as gently caress. GamingHyena posted:Exactly. RoboDogs are marketed towards the military where purchasing decisions are made by people who never have to interact with the technology. Whether it creeps out the troops is a nonfactor. The Pentagon would buy giant mechanical spiders powered by eating the enemy dead if they I'm pretty sure even the military would give it some thought if they had a choice between a robotic spider squid that eats people and one that looks friendly. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 13, 2018 |
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May 13, 2018 20:59
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ElCondemn posted:A simple google search reveals you're just an rear end in a top hat. Again, you're not producing any evidence that everyone is as psychologically traumatized as you seem to be by "this robot doesn't walk exactly like a human, dog, or cat". For example, most of your articles make no mention of the motions being intrinsically unsettling, but rather that the tasks the devices might be put to are - they are again mostly designed for military purposes. It's not about being manly, it's about your assertion that everyone shares your apparent phobia, and how that's totally false. The point is that you're wrong when you go around saying everyone is terrified by their motion like you seem to be.
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May 13, 2018 21:04
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fishmech posted:Again, you're not producing any evidence that everyone is as psychologically traumatized as you seem to be by "this robot doesn't walk exactly like a human, dog, or cat". For example, most of your articles make no mention of the motions being intrinsically unsettling, but rather that the tasks the devices might be put to are - they are again mostly designed for military purposes. Are you done creating a straw man? I just said people thought it was "disturbing" and "unsettling", I just grabbed the first few results from google that used the words I used. I don't have a phobia, I never said I was scared of these robots, you put that on me because you're acting like what I'm saying is totally out of left field. If you're at all interested in learning more about the topic, instead of constantly re-iterating how not scared you are, look into Cynthia Breazeal's work.
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May 13, 2018 21:10
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Obviously, the military doesn't mind spooky noises and I doubt that Amazon will refuse to use a robot in their factory just because it makes a spooky noise. Tesla, maybe. Likewise, the robot would have to be absolutely terrifying to not replace delivery drivers for walk-ups as soon as it is cheaper to the company than hiring a worker. Robots sold directly to customers, sure that'll require less bone-chilling noises. But reflecting upon the history and status quo of American workplaces, I see no really compelling examples of businesses giving a drat what their blue collar employees think about the creepy noises their machines make.
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May 13, 2018 21:17
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ElCondemn posted:Are you done creating a straw man? I just said people thought it was "disturbing" and "unsettling", I just grabbed the first few results from google that used the words I used. I don't have a phobia, I never said I was scared of these robots, you put that on me because you're acting like what I'm saying is totally out of left field. Here, you appear to be suffering from amnesia. This is your post: ElCondemn posted:The fact that they’ve continued work on this robot design for as long as they have is weird. Everyone that sees that thing is unsettled. The way it sounds and moves is just disturbing to people, how do the creators not see this? Fact: your weird hangups about how they move aren't universal. They are not disturbing to most people based on how they move and sound, but rather because they're being made primarily for war. Maybe stop posting things you don't mean if you don't want to be taken at your word.
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May 13, 2018 21:25
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May 13, 2018 22:19
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Trabisnikof posted:Obviously, the military doesn't mind spooky noises and I doubt that Amazon will refuse to use a robot in their factory just because it makes a spooky noise. Tesla, maybe. iirc, amazon alexa was sometimes cackling like a witch in the middle of the night, so lack of spooky noises doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for consumer adoption
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May 13, 2018 22:21
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Condiv posted:iirc, amazon alexa was sometimes cackling like a witch in the middle of the night, so lack of spooky noises doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for consumer adoption That was some primo cyberpunk, so good: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/07/amazon-is-fixing-alexa-creepy-laughter/
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May 13, 2018 22:29
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The way these robots move is cool as gently caress to me. Been watching their vids for like 9 years and its only gotten better
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May 13, 2018 22:32
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fishmech posted:
Have you ever been to a zoo? Out of the millions of animals on earth they all tend to have the same general set of ~100 that humans find appealing and only have the weird or creepy ones in areas specially highlighting gross out weirdo animals as a novelty before you go back to looking at the cute/neat looking ones.
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May 13, 2018 23:38
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Have you ever been to a zoo? Yes, sorry about your phobias. Surprise Giraffe posted:The way these robots move is cool as gently caress to me. Been watching their vids for like 9 years and its only gotten better Impossible! Everyone finds them horrifying and malign, ElCondemn said so!!
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May 14, 2018 00:07
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He didn't mean literally everyone, he meant a lot of people. And that's certainly true if you look at reactions on social media. Whether "a lot" is 20% or 40% or 60% is irrelevant. Robodog will continue to be developed because it's not meant to be a companion.
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May 14, 2018 08:26
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Pugs are also weird looking and make lots of dumb, disturbing noises and everyone loves them. If they paint a smiley face on one end and have it carry groceries and play Spotify people will buy the dumb robot.
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May 14, 2018 15:54
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Doctor Malaver posted:He didn't mean literally everyone, he meant a lot of people. And that's certainly true if you look at reactions on social media. Whether "a lot" is 20% or 40% or 60% is irrelevant. Robodog will continue to be developed because it's not meant to be a companion. Attempting to backpedal someone else's "everyone" to "maybe 20%" to make a false assertion work is absolutely hilarious.
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May 14, 2018 19:38
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fishmech posted:Attempting to backpedal someone else's "everyone" to "maybe 20%" to make a false assertion work is absolutely hilarious. It's hilarious only to you. To the rest of us it's a tedious derail that makes one remember self driving cars flame wars fondly.
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May 14, 2018 20:38
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Doctor Malaver posted:It's hilarious only to you. To the rest of us it's a tedious derail that makes one remember self driving cars flame wars fondly.
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May 14, 2018 20:44
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I'll edit the post if you guys want, I meant to say "a lot". I didn't think I was saying anything controversial, I was just commenting that they haven't changed the design enough to prevent people/articles from calling it creepy and unsettling, that's all.
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May 14, 2018 21:18
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Doctor Malaver posted:It's hilarious only to you. To the rest of us it's a tedious derail that makes one remember self driving cars flame wars fondly. You're the one who attempted to defend the argument for no reason. You are the one who derailed. ElCondemn posted:I'll edit the post if you guys want, I meant to say "a lot". I didn't think I was saying anything controversial, I was just commenting that they haven't changed the design enough to prevent people/articles from calling it creepy and unsettling, that's all. Again, it ain't a lot. The whole assertion you made and are trying to make is just plain wrong. And no design could make it so that no people or articles at all would call it creepy or unsettling, that's not how media and talking heads work.
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May 15, 2018 02:16
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fishmech posted:no design could make it so that no people or articles at all would call it creepy or unsettling, that's not how media and talking heads work. It would be nice if you looked into it, you'd find that there is a lot of research in the field that shows it is possible to build robots that people/the media don't call creepy or unsettling.
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May 15, 2018 03:23
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ElCondemn posted:It would be nice if you looked into it, you'd find that there is a lot of research in the field that shows it is possible to build robots that people/the media don't call creepy or unsettling. There is no such research that is accurate, because this is a world where people will say a kid's TV show is haunted and creepy forever because of a badly compressed screenshot of some frame of the video where it kinda looks like a background character has spooky eyes. Additionally some youtuber who got bored of photographing corpses will claim that FuckBot 5000 is secretly creepy to get clicks before he moves onto torching cars and calling it "just a prank". Also a bunch of people are hosed in the head and read normal things as creepy and unsettling all the time. No amount of product design is going to fix that.
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May 15, 2018 04:02
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fishmech posted:There is no such research that is accurate, because this is a world where people will say a kid's TV show is haunted and creepy forever because of a badly compressed screenshot of some frame of the video where it kinda looks like a background character has spooky eyes. Additionally some youtuber who got bored of photographing corpses will claim that FuckBot 5000 is secretly creepy to get clicks before he moves onto torching cars and calling it "just a prank". Please look into Cynthia Breazeal's work, you're just making poo poo up. You haven't done any research and are blatantly just dismissing the work in the field, as if you just inherently know better. You really don't know what you're talking about. edit: here's her website in case you have trouble finding the relevant information http://cynthiabreazeal.media.mit.edu she's also not the only one in the field doing this research, there are lots of resources if you are actually interested in learning about this stuff. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 18:26
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ElCondemn posted:Please look into Cynthia Breazeal's work, you're just making poo poo up. You haven't done any research and are blatantly just dismissing the work in the field, as if you just inherently know better. You really don't know what you're talking about. I really don't care about whatever researcher you're talking about, who you claim says it's possible to make something no one will say is creepy or unsettling. Because that is a false claim, and as such you're grossly oversimplifying or misrepresenting their work. No sensible researcher would ever claim you can make a perfectly inoffensive product. Again, just try looking at media sometime, and how quick people will spin up things like the SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE panic of the 80s over literally nothing at all real.
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May 15, 2018 19:51
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fishmech posted:I really don't care about whatever researcher you're talking about, who you claim says it's possible to make something no one will say is creepy or unsettling. Because that is a false claim, and as such you're grossly oversimplifying or misrepresenting their work. No sensible researcher would ever claim you can make a perfectly inoffensive product. You're right, nothing is absolute, good job adding nothing to the conversation and learning absolutely nothing.
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ElCondemn posted:You're right, nothing is absolute, good job adding nothing to the conversation and learning absolutely nothing. There's nothing to learn here dude. You made a bullshit claim, tried to back up with something that doesn't even approach backing it up. Perhaps you should learn to not lie?
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