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RCarr posted:Are you sure that’s worth losing Kelce? I get that Henry and Ebron are decent options but Kelce is a virtual lock for top 2 TE and the drop off after Gronk and him is pretty huge, no? Also I feel like $21 is a good deal for him and he will be a good price for years to come. Patrick Mahomes has played one game. There is no guarantee that he'll be good, and even if he is good historically rookie QBs have not been good for their receiving corps. Hunter Henry is playing under what looks to be a ridiculously dynamic offense with the Chargers, is locked in as a starter with Gates gone, and a 1000 yard 8 TD season is certainly not out of the question.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Patrick Mahomes has played one game. There is no guarantee that he'll be good, and even if he is good historically rookie QBs have not been good for their receiving corps. Hunter Henry is playing under what looks to be a ridiculously dynamic offense with the Chargers, is locked in as a starter with Gates gone, and a 1000 yard 8 TD season is certainly not out of the question. Very much this. I suspect kelce will see volume from mahomes and be largely QB resistant.... But with Gates gone, there are like 50-60 TE targets from last season that Hunter could soak up and he was already a TE1. The offense looks good, he's a great receiver and RZ target.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Patrick Mahomes has played one game. There is no guarantee that he'll be good, and even if he is good historically rookie QBs have not been good for their receiving corps. Hunter Henry is playing under what looks to be a ridiculously dynamic offense with the Chargers, is locked in as a starter with Gates gone, and a 1000 yard 8 TD season is certainly not out of the question. 
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RCarr posted:Are you sure that’s worth losing Kelce? I get that Henry and Ebron are decent options but Kelce is a virtual lock for top 2 TE and the drop off after Gronk and him is pretty huge, no? Also I feel like $21 is a good deal for him and he will be a good price for years to come. The gap this year between Henry and Kelce won’t be large enough to justify the 7% cap difference. I’m holding all my Kelce shares, but I’m also worried and don’t have Henry as well. He’s at an all time high. Sell
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Tiptoes posted:But Mahomes isn't a rookie. Yeah I know. I don't have much data on players who sit a year first, so in my mind he's still a rookie until he's demonstrated a season of starts.
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This team wants to get Allen Robinson from me. It's also the team with three first round picks this year. (1.08, and two picks randomly seeded between 1-5 overall) He was considering giving me his 1.08 for Kelce yesterday, but we haven't gotten anywhere yet. What should I try to get for Allen Robinson? Or a Kelce+Robinson combo? QB M. Ryan - 14 M. Mariota - 15 R. Tannehill - 2 RB J. Howard - 32 M. Lynch - 23 G. Bernard - 2 D. Henry - 14 J. Stewart - 3 A. Ekeler - 8 W. Gallman - 22 C. Ivory - 2 J. Williams - 2 WR T. Hill - 20 D. Baldwin - 20 C. Kupp - 2 J. Kearse - 2 K. Stills - 2 M. Goodwin - 6 P. Richardson - 2 A. Humphries - 2 R. Grant - 2 D. Inman - 11 T. King - 2 L. Treadwell - 2 T. Sharpe - 2 TE E. Engram - 2 A. Hooper - 2 G. Kittle - 2 2018 TOTAL SALARY - $220 Here's my team again for reference: RCarr posted:1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLEX. It's a dynasty league with a 25 man roster with 3 IR slots. $250 salary cap. Player salaries increase by $1 or 10% each year (whichever is higher). Here's my roster, with this year's salary next to each.
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RCarr posted:This team wants to get Allen Robinson from me. It's also the team with three first round picks this year. (1.08, and two picks randomly seeded between 1-5 overall) He was considering giving me his 1.08 for Kelce yesterday, but we haven't gotten anywhere yet. What should I try to get for Allen Robinson? Or a Kelce+Robinson combo? A Rob is on an incredibly team friendly deal. IMO you don't want to move him. Picks would increase your cap burden and his only cap efficient player is Engram.
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Yah I'm holding ARob. Only way I might move Kelce + ARob is if those rando picks hit at 1.01 and only then am I making that offer. I don't think he would take both anyways since that would put him over cap.
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May 15, 2018 16:26
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RCarr posted:Are you sure that’s worth losing Kelce? I get that Henry and Ebron are decent options but Kelce is a virtual lock for top 2 TE and the drop off after Gronk and him is pretty huge, no? Also I feel like $21 is a good deal for him and he will be a good price for years to come. It doesn't matter if we are sure. It matters if you are. I think everyone has articulated why it's a good idea, but at the end it is your team. In a year, you don't want to be saying to yourself, "but the Internet said.....!" Because sometimes, the Internet is very wrong. Especially about Alvin Kamara Edit: Is he the only person willing to trade for Kelce? Because 1.08 for Robinson and an additional set of draft picks for Kelce could be worthwhile. Sataere fucked around with this message at 16:45 on May 15, 2018 |
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Good point. It's just easy to get attached to your players and over value them, and I want to avoid that and get a non-biased idea of what they are worth to the average person.
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To me, your offseason should be focused on fixing your running back situation in any manner possible. Draft capital is your best bet at cost controlled value. But it means that you have to pick the right running backs. There is risk, because Kelce is a known commodity. I'll admit to focusing too much on the long term when it comes to dynasty, so bear that in mind when taking my advice. 
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Sataere posted:To me, your offseason should be focused on fixing your running back situation in any manner possible. Draft capital is your best bet at cost controlled value. But it means that you have to pick the right running backs. I dunno dude, A-rob at $12 gives you a cheap WR1 that's cost controlled. The 1.08 is $16? $18? So he's eating more cap cost when he's already way over the cap, and probably gets a player that will produce less. If you're moving cheap a Rob, he should look for a cheap guaranteed starter back. Zauper fucked around with this message at 19:05 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 18:54
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Zauper posted:I dunno dude, A-rob at $12 gives you a cheap WR1 that's cost controlled. The 1.08 is $16? $18? So he's eating more cap cost when he's already way over the cap, and probably gets a player that will produce less. No guarantees that A-Rob is a WR1. Even ignoring the ACL, he's only put together one really strong season. I think he could be. Hell, I'm a Bears fan. I'll be pissed if he isn't. There is a chance this is the most valuable A Rob will ever be. Plus, he is loaded at WR. Look at his running backs. Ingram - suspended. Likely gone from NO next year Dion Lewis - time share with Derrick Henry Ty Montgomery - time share with a billion people The rest are pretty much just guys. Almost every rookie running back taken in the first two rounds is walking into a very favorable situation. Barkley, Penny, Michel, Chubb, Jones, Johnson all have clear paths to the starter role in the next year. Remember, I think this class is like the 2014 wide receiver class and I want as many shares as possible.
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The best team in our league just got Dalvin Cook by trading away Derrick Henry and Tyreek Hill. His roster is stupid good.
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MacheteZombie posted:The best team in our league just got Dalvin Cook by trading away Derrick Henry and Tyreek Hill. His roster is stupid good. That's a lot for Cook.
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May 15, 2018 19:53
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Sataere posted:That's a lot for Cook. Maybe.. I see Cook as having the potential to be a fantasy all time great. We'll have to see how he's recovered. It wasn't much for the owner because he sold off Tyreek who he just got during the rookie draft in a pretty one sided trade, and his RBs are Gurley, Coleman, Ajayi, and Hyde, (also Crowell and Collins) so losing Henry wasn't a huge loss. His WRs are Julio, Adams, Hopkins, Mike Thomas, Jeffery, Theilen, and Josh Gordon (plus the rookies he drafted).
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Yea that's a pretty fair trade, and honestly might even be an overpay for Cook. This seems like a case of "best team in the league makes move, must be unfair" thinking, which we have all been guilty of (myself included).
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RCarr posted:Yea that's a pretty fair trade, and honestly might even be an overpay for Cook. I approved it without question. I just find it crazy that anyone will trade with him. And when he does trade he still ends up having one of, if not the best roster in our dynasty league. I will also mention that starting lineups are: Qb/rb/wr/te/flex/flex/flex/k/dst And it's the tiered ppr league. 1 pt for te, .75 for rb, .5 for wr. MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 20:09
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The trade is fair. I don't think anyone us getting screwed. Just not sure I'd make it.
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Not totally sold on the trade, but I agree about Cook being a potentially huge fantasy asset. If you liked Kirk to Chris Thompson magic last year, hold onto your butts.
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Sataere posted:The trade is fair. I don't think anyone us getting screwed. Just not sure I'd make it. I'm not saying its unfair. I'm saying I'm surprised he found someone to trade with that was willing to part with a young and potentially amazing Rb and it barely dented his roster.
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm not saying its unfair. I'm saying I'm surprised he found someone to trade with that was willing to part with a young and potentially amazing Rb and it barely dented his roster. If I were that guy, I would have accepted too. He got an RB2 with RB1 potential and a WR1. It's a decent haul. I'm not going to refuse to trade with guys who are better than me on principle when doing so makes me better. I just did a feeler around the office and everyone thinks the guy getting Henry/Hill is winning this. FAKE EDIT: He's getting Cook, right? I'm not reading this incorrectly.
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Sataere posted:If I were that guy, I would have accepted too. He got an RB2 with RB1 potential and a WR1. It's a decent haul. I'm not going to refuse to trade with guys who are better than me on principle when doing so makes me better. The league champ/really good team is the one getting Cook. That's fair and I don't mean to seem salty or trying to poo poo up the thread with "why oh whys" so I won't be bringing it up again. It was just like drat, I wish I had the roster capital to trade away Tyreek and Henry and it not affect my roster. They were two dudes he never even started, haha. Though he probably would have flexed in Tyreek on plus matchups, if Mahomes doesn't poop in the bed.
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MacheteZombie posted:The league champ/really good team is the one getting Cook. Be as salty as you want. That's what fantasy football is about!  I think I just misunderstood the tone of your comments.
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Sataere posted:Be as salty as you want. That's what fantasy football is about!  All good, probably a failure on my part as well. In other fantasy news I used my last rookie pick on Darius Fountain because an article talked about how big his hands are. And you know what they say about big hands?!
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In my main dynasty league 1.02 + Cook went for our 1.01/Barkley. I traded 1.10 + Melvin Gordon for 1.01/Barkley in another. I wish I had Cook to sell for high. Same with Mixon since I both think they might be bottom shelf RB1’s as a ceiling.
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"MacheteZombie" posted:In other fantasy news I used my last rookie pick on Darius Fountain because an article talked about how big his hands are. And you know what they say about big hands?! The Michael Thomas syndrome. Big hands ftw.
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Alfalfa posted:In my main dynasty league 1.02 + Cook went for our 1.01/Barkley. I like your trade, but 1.02 + Cook for Barkley seems crazy to me.
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I can't make myself like Barkley. I love the way he catches the ball, but my gut screams bust. Even still, I would absolutely take him with my first overall pick. I would just hate myself if I'm right, but too scared to be wrong.
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Has anyone said Alcoholics Saquonymous, yet? I can't even remember if I've said it
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RCarr posted:I like your trade, but 1.02 + Cook for Barkley seems crazy to me. That's his price, it's silly. He's like a top 5-10 start up guy right now as far as I can tell. I tried to sell high every place I had the 1.01 and wasn't a single RB away from being league favorite. All 2 QB leagues: 1.01 and Corey Davis for 1.03, 1.07, and Tyreek Hill 1.01, 1.10, and Kelce for 1.02, Jameis Winston, OJ Howard, and Juju Smith-Schuster 1.01, 2019 2nd, Tyrod Taylor, and Carlos Hyde for 1.09, 2019 1st, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Devonta Freeman
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sourdough posted:That's his price, it's silly. He's like a top 5-10 start up guy right now as far as I can tell. I tried to sell high every place I had the 1.01 and wasn't a single RB away from being league favorite. All 2 QB leagues: What I gathered from this post is Barkley is going to be the best running back in the league, because you have the first overall pick in three dynasty leagues. Clearly, you make bad decisions.
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sourdough posted:1.01, 1.10, and Kelce for 1.02, Jameis Winston, OJ Howard, and Juju Smith-Schuster  I hope you didn't actually make this trade. Edit: Didn't realize it was a 2QB league but still...
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RCarr posted:
Yeah, that's a real bad trade for you. Your opponent ends up with the two best players.
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Sataere posted:What I gathered from this post is Barkley is going to be the best running back in the league, because you have the first overall pick in three dynasty leagues. Clearly, you make bad decisions. One of them I was in the championship and had traded for a pick midseason, another was a startup that I got last startup pick in and commish (terribly) decided rookie picks would go reverse order of startup (I'm not complaining, though!), and the last was a 1-year tank because QBs went stupidly early in the startup and I both missed the boat and wouldn't take garbage tier guys over great WRs. RCarr posted:
It was pretty close to a mash imo I receive 1.02 for Kelce+1.10, and Winston, Juju, and OJ Howard for 1.01? Winston alone is a late 2nd/early 3rd start up pick in 2 QB for me. Edit: Though to be clear, this one was also the tank team. My QBs were McCarron, Peterman, Davis Webb, lol.Sataere posted:Yeah, that's a real bad trade for you. Your opponent ends up with the two best players. Kelce more valuable than Winston? Nah, not even very close. Super easy trade to send TE1 for a young back end QB1. sourdough fucked around with this message at 14:56 on May 16, 2018 |
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sourdough posted:It was pretty close to a mash imo Kelce is a third round startup, same as 1.02. And 1.10 is ~6-7 round startup. So you're trading a 3rd+7th for a 3rd. 1.01 is first round startup. Winston third; juju 5thish and OJH is probably what, 10th? I wouldn't trade a 1 for a 3+5+6 in a startup, let alone that. You lost the trade hard. May have had to if it was the only QB you could find, but meh. Zauper fucked around with this message at 15:16 on May 16, 2018 |
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Yea no matter how i look at it there's no way you win that trade in my opinion. Especially once Barkley becomes the next Barry Sanders.
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Zauper posted:Offhand, I think you lose both sides of that breakdown. No worries, it's good to get feedback.
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RCarr posted:Yea no matter how i look at it there's no way you win that trade in my opinion. Especially once Barkley becomes the next Barry Sanders. He's going to rush for 3.6 ypc and have single digit touchdowns, while my man Jameis is going to join the 50-5000 club, you'll see
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sourdough posted:my man Jameis Check out dat post + avatar combo!
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