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Previa_fun posted:I always thought Forza had pretty good engine noise especially compared to Gran Turismo where all the cars sounded like vacuum cleaners.
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DiRT Rally on PC/PS4/Xbone is probably the best sounding.
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May 15, 2018 05:42
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Twerk from Home posted:We like our 2014 Focus, but either something is wrong with the car, the gas, or the drivers because it has literally never approached 40mpg.
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May 15, 2018 06:03
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What is the Honda Fit of the larger cars/cuvs/suvs? Is there anything in larger classes that combines interior utility, pleasant (M/T) driving dynamics, and is priced competitively in the segment? Or is a lot of the Fit's positives inherent to it's class (ie: subcompacts cost loss and still have manual transmissions), meaning that there isn't really a "bigger honda fit"
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May 15, 2018 12:47
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Jack B Nimble posted:What is the Honda Fit of the larger cars/cuvs/suvs? Is there anything in larger classes that combines interior utility, pleasant (M/T) driving dynamics, and is priced competitively in the segment? Or is a lot of the Fit's positives inherent to it's class (ie: subcompacts cost loss and still have manual transmissions), meaning that there isn't really a "bigger honda fit" I haven't driven one but the only thing that comes to mind is the Golf Sportwagen, and it's pretty expensive (although not compared to a lot of crossovers), and then you're driving a VW and it will probably fall apart. The larger car/CUV/SUV with a manual transmission is a rare beast indeed.
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May 15, 2018 13:50
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Not M/T but I keep hearing the Macan has a really good driving dynamic, and being on the smaller side in terms of CUV/SUVs. The price isn't something I'd call low though.
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May 15, 2018 14:04
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Jack B Nimble posted:What is the Honda Fit of the larger cars/cuvs/suvs? Is there anything in larger classes that combines interior utility, pleasant (M/T) driving dynamics, and is priced competitively in the segment? Or is a lot of the Fit's positives inherent to it's class (ie: subcompacts cost loss and still have manual transmissions), meaning that there isn't really a "bigger honda fit" CR-V is the closest analogue to the Fit. Only 2nd to the CX-5 in driving dynamics, and it took packaging lessons from the Fit. The powertrain is best-in-class too. The CX-5 is also great: it wins on driving dynamics, looks, and I prefer the CX-5's interior.
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May 15, 2018 14:21
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Jack B Nimble posted:What is the Honda Fit of the larger cars/cuvs/suvs? Is there anything in larger classes that combines interior utility, pleasant (M/T) driving dynamics, and is priced competitively in the segment? Or is a lot of the Fit's positives inherent to it's class (ie: subcompacts cost loss and still have manual transmissions), meaning that there isn't really a "bigger honda fit" It's more than just price and stick, subcompacts outright drive better because they're able to get away with less weight due to less sound deadening, no luxury doo-dads, and typically no complexity like start/stop systems. It's the main reason why I'm making a Fiesta work as a family car: in addition to being cheaper, the smallest cars drive so much better than anything else that has a back seat.
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May 15, 2018 14:30
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Golf sportwagens in awd are under $20k on cars.com if patient
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May 15, 2018 14:31
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How much work/money to make a sportwagen or alltrack feel more like a GTI or R? I love them idea of the Sportwagen and Alltrack with AWD, but 170hp vs 220 to 290hp seems like a big jump. Also 20-25k vs 42k sounds a lot more friendly on the wallet.
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May 15, 2018 17:17
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I believe a tune, downpipe, and turbo will get you most of the way to an R for a couple grand.
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May 15, 2018 17:22
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Godzilla07 posted:CR-V is the closest analogue to the Fit. Only 2nd to the CX-5 in driving dynamics, and it took packaging lessons from the Fit. The powertrain is best-in-class too. The CX-5 is also great: it wins on driving dynamics, looks, and I prefer the CX-5's interior. The CX-5 is bonkers good. There’s a reason it made it to the WCOTY top three along with the XC60 and Velar which both cost twice as much. The Macan is a spectacular drive but also bloody expensive.
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May 15, 2018 17:33
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Mazda is the best manufacturer in every segment it competes in imo I'm starting to seriously want a new 6
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May 15, 2018 17:43
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Wheeee posted:Mazda is the best manufacturer in every segment it competes in imo I had a rental 6 last week, and it didn't comfortably fit a 6' adult in front of a rear-facing baby seat and was also louder inside than other midsizers. Definitely the driver's car in the segment, though.
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May 15, 2018 17:52
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Wheeee posted:Mazda is the best manufacturer in every segment it competes in imo Yup. The CR-V definitely beats the CX5 in terms of practicality but the CX5 wins in all other measures. It's so, so, so good. Twerk from Home posted:I had a rental 6 last week, and it didn't comfortably fit a 6' adult in front of a rear-facing baby seat and was also louder inside than other midsizers. Mazda's going through applying the interior treatment they did on the 2nd gen CX9 to all their other cars and the 6 was last to get it with the 2018 car. CX5 got it in 2017, as did the 3, CX3 is getting it in 2019. Before those refreshes the cars are definitely on the loud side - they made them light first then figured out how to get them quiet afterwards, but the post-refresh ones are drat quiet. My new CX9 is like a bank vault at speed.
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May 15, 2018 17:57
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And the cx5 doesn't fold flat until 2017, is that right? Other that it sounds like the larger car for me to keep in mind.
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May 15, 2018 18:02
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Twerk from Home posted:I had a rental 6 last week, and it didn't comfortably fit a 6' adult in front of a rear-facing baby seat and was also louder inside than other midsizers. This is definitely the case, it is the best drivers car but it is not the best car for everyone's needs.
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May 15, 2018 18:04
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kill me now posted:This is definitely the case, it is the best drivers car but it is not the best car for everyone's needs. Advertising tells me that actually the Camry is the angriest car in the segment:
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May 15, 2018 18:12
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:I believe a tune, downpipe, and turbo will get you most of the way to an R for a couple grand. Yeah, I think everything holds up pretty well too but I haven't exactly done a ton of research. This will actually be something for me to keep in mind as a gti replacement.
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May 15, 2018 18:15
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Twerk from Home posted:Advertising tells me that actually the Camry is the angriest car in the segment: The new Camry looks like a DTM car, it's a really weird styling tone they're trying to strike here. I don't think my grandma wants rear quarter aero vents and underbody splitters on her daily.
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May 15, 2018 18:18
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Seat Safety Switch posted:The new Camry looks like a DTM car, it's a really weird styling tone they're trying to strike here. I don't think my grandma wants rear quarter aero vents and underbody splitters on her daily. Nobody wants the old people segment though
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May 15, 2018 18:54
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Wheeee posted:Mazda is the best manufacturer in every segment it competes in imo Meanwhile Nissan is the worst. Calling Nissan "Japanese Chrysler" today is an insult to FCA, who does actually make vehicles that people dream about owning. I don't think there's a single Nissan worth buying new today. Even if you have bad credit, Hyundai/Kia make better vehicles than Nissan.
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May 15, 2018 18:54
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Seat Safety Switch posted:The new Camry looks like a DTM car, it's a really weird styling tone they're trying to strike here. I don't think my grandma wants rear quarter aero vents and underbody splitters on her daily. Like a DTM car by from the late 1950s. There’s something reminiscent of those yank tanks with giant fins and chrome extensions about the Camry, particularly from the rear. The LE looks a lot better than the gussied-up XLE, IMO.
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May 15, 2018 18:57
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Godzilla07 posted:Meanwhile Nissan is the worst. Calling Nissan "Japanese Chrysler" today is an insult to FCA, who does actually make vehicles that people dream about owning. Nonsense, the GT-R is one of the best sports cars of 2008
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May 15, 2018 19:04
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Anal Del Raytheon posted:Nonsense, the GT-R is one of the best sports cars of 2008 I wonder if steadily discounting the GT-R would get them more sales. It's not a 100k car, but more people would get it at 70. Could they make the margins work at this point?
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May 15, 2018 19:06
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Godzilla07 posted:Meanwhile Nissan is the worst. Calling Nissan "Japanese Chrysler" today is an insult to FCA, who does actually make vehicles that people dream about owning. The Frontier is a great truck and substantially cheaper than a Tacoma, the new Armada is based on the Patrol (With the cool offroad stuff ripped out lol) and the new Titan is fine if not special. Apparently their commercial vans are decent. Their unibody vehicles are a loving joke tho yea
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May 15, 2018 19:23
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CornHolio posted:Nobody wants the old people segment though Old people are buying crossovers now, just like everyone else.
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May 15, 2018 19:26
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kimbo305 posted:I wonder if steadily discounting the GT-R would get them more sales. It's not a 100k car, but more people would get it at 70. Could they make the margins work at this point?
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May 15, 2018 19:28
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mobby_6kl posted:Didn't they spend the last few years increasing the prices on the GTR? It was good value initially but over time became less so, especially once you consider constantly improving competition. Yeah, they justified it with increasing power, slightl weight improvements, and trans shift programming improvements.
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May 15, 2018 19:40
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Old people are buying crossovers now, just like everyone else. If anything, aging boomers are arguably the primary driver of increasing CUV sales. Aging hips and backs love that higher step-in height and taller seat backs. Retirement communities are littered with Buick Encores and Cadillac SRXs/XT5s for a reason.
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May 15, 2018 19:47
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Godzilla07 posted:Meanwhile Nissan is the worst. Calling Nissan "Japanese Chrysler" today is an insult to FCA, who does actually make vehicles that people dream about owning. The Leaf is good.
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May 15, 2018 19:57
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Nissan isn't spending money on developing most of their vehicles because they don't give a poo poo and can make money easily by selling low effort trash at discount prices and extending credit to everyone with a pulse, but they're serious about EVs. In five years Nissan may have a legit presence in the EV market at the expense of the rest of their lineup, which is a super great strategy since it's going to remain a niche market for the foreseeable future and companies like Toyota and VAG have way better tech.
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May 15, 2018 20:23
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Wheeee posted:The Frontier is a great truck and substantially cheaper than a Tacoma, the new Armada is based on the Patrol (With the cool offroad stuff ripped out lol) and the new Titan is fine if not special. Apparently their commercial vans are decent. The Frontier hasn't been touched since GWB's first term. For example, we'd relentlessly mock GM or Chrysler if they sold a new vehicle with this interior in 2018. And an F-150 gets better gas mileage, while making more power and torque. 
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May 15, 2018 21:06
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MrLogan posted:The Leaf is good. Nobody dreams of owning a Leaf, which is the point he's making. They dream of owning a Tesla and then end up in a Leaf because screw waiting 6 months for parts.
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May 15, 2018 21:08
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BloodBag posted:Nobody dreams of owning a Leaf, which is the point he's making. They dream of owning a Tesla and then end up in a Leaf because screw waiting 6 months for parts.
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May 15, 2018 21:43
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Godzilla07 posted:The Frontier hasn't been touched since GWB's first term. For example, we'd relentlessly mock GM or Chrysler if they sold a new vehicle with this interior in 2018. And an F-150 gets better gas mileage, while making more power and torque. That's a lower level interior but yea even the good one is laughable looking. Thing is it still has a better engine than the Tacoma and is more robustly built. In the case of Nissan, having been designed before they completely gave up is a good thing. Also they're cheaper new than a Tacoma or Colorado by a good margin on account of lol Nissan.
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May 15, 2018 22:16
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Wheeee posted:lol Nissan. It's not just you. It's their suppliers too. http://wardsauto.com/industry/toyota-rises-everyone-else-falls-oem-supplier-relations-study
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May 15, 2018 22:50
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Franco Caution posted:How much work/money to make a sportwagen or alltrack feel more like a GTI or R? IS20 turbo new $1k JB4 tune $500 or $700 apr flash DSG Tune $700 apr Cost to install turbo - few hours 297wtq and 260whp apr 91 tune. Downpipe gets you 309wtq and 270whp. Apr numbers. If you want suspension stuff you get used gti springs struts, amd bump stops cheap off new cars from forums.
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May 16, 2018 00:25
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A shame to throw away that new 6 year warranty on a VW, though.
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The 1.8t is relatively common and you'd mainly only be messing with the drivetrain aspect. The stock form is slow. My wife is on the stage 1 87 tune and thinking of moving up to the is20 91 tune now.
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