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Oxxidation posted:Jess' grandfather takes him in and the final chapter consists of Addie narrating how the church is slowly purging itself of Chambliss' influence and how she hopes it'll lead Jess and the other kids towards a better future. Which is, like, jfc cue the violins already I will have to re-read it because I remember taking that part as deliberately insincere by the writer. The people willingly went along with all of it, and I think it was meant to suggest that the preacher wasn't the problem, but the willingness of people to submit to it. Its sort of having the protagonist narrate the wrong lesson from it all to deliberately horrify the reader.
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Strongly doubt it. Addie's introduced by the novel as its moral compass, being the only one to abandon Chambliss even before the incident with Stump, so the sincerity of her take on events probably isn't meant to be called into question. The only place where she's not 100% on the ball is her interpretation of why the Halls' marriage started to crumble, and that was more due to her views being that of a pre-Depression era midwife than any lack of moral clarity. The sheriff's narration ends on a similarly hopeful note despite having closer proximity to the gruesome events at the end. Like I said at the start, the book struck me as a solid page-turner but not much else. There's nothing particularly clever in how it goes about its plot. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 11, 2018 |
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May 11, 2018 18:55
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Just finished Lydia Davis' translation of Swann's Way and I'm super sad that she didn't translate the rest of the series. For anybody else who liked her approach: which translation of volume 2-7 gets closest to her style?
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friendly 2 da void posted:Just finished Lydia Davis' translation of Swann's Way and I'm super sad that she didn't translate the rest of the series. For anybody else who liked her approach: which translation of volume 2-7 gets closest to her style? I have Moncrieff and was thinking of picking up Davis’s translation as well. Any observations on how they compare?
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May 15, 2018 03:19
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the brothers karamazov loving sucks. i hate the guy who did the foreward for the godfather for telling me that was the likely inspiration.
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May 15, 2018 09:01
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Annual Prophet posted:I have Moncrieff and was thinking of picking up Davis’s translation as well. Any observations on how they compare? Scott Moncrieff isn't a bad writer by any means but his Proust is famously unfaithful, although there are revised editions that correct the more glaring embellishments. Davis's is kind of faithful to a fault, and some people have said her adherence to Proust's prose makes for clumsy English, but I think it's the closer experience to the original if you don't read French.
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Normal Adult Human posted:the brothers karamazov loving sucks. i hate the guy who did the foreward for the godfather for telling me that was the likely inspiration. sorry about your opinions
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May 15, 2018 13:39
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I havent read the brothers karamazov because I don't really karamazov about the book, brother
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May 15, 2018 13:56
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in this day and age dostoevsky and his tediously pious contemporaries are better read as comedies than anything else
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May 15, 2018 15:59
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Notes from Underground bears remarkable similarities to the Trump Presidency, hence my lolling.
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May 15, 2018 16:28
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notes is his only worthwhile book imo
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May 15, 2018 16:30
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I can't help but laugh at the naive piety of Dostoevsky, the man so incredibly, tediously pious that every time he tries to write an atheist he has to convince himself that their ideas are wrong and never really seems to manage it
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CestMoi posted:I can't help but laugh at the naive piety of Dostoevsky, the man so incredibly, tediously pious that every time he tries to write an atheist he has to convince himself that their ideas are wrong and never really seems to manage it
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May 15, 2018 16:53
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and tolstoy
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May 15, 2018 16:54
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Well, if you want to say Tolstoy, you're entirely welcome to actually say Tolstoy instead of putting your foot in your mouth.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Well, if you want to say Tolstoy, you're entirely welcome to actually say Tolstoy instead of putting your foot in your mouth. i mean them both crime and punishment on top of being a stultifying sleep aid of a novel expresses a morality and sentiment so incompatible with modern society as to be laughable
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May 15, 2018 16:57
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Then again, I would argue that Tolstoy's piety is one of the most singular and least tedious types anyway.
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May 15, 2018 16:58
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then again the only religious dissertation in a work of fiction that i've ever found even a little bit compelling was the padre's story in The Crossing and even that doesn't ascribe any sort of morality to god in itself
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Annual Prophet posted:I have Moncrieff and was thinking of picking up Davis’s translation as well. Any observations on how they compare? I can't say enough positive things about Davis' translation, while Moncrieff leaves me....cold. IMHO, he altered the character of the narrator so much as to create a different work. It's kinda infuriating that Davis didn't translate the other volumes though. Her Swann's Way is increasingly considered the best, but the other new translations are trashola.
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May 15, 2018 17:46
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Moncrieff is good
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May 15, 2018 18:03
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extremely hot takes itt this fine monday
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im pretty sure it's tuesday
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friendly 2 da void posted:I can't say enough positive things about Davis' translation, while Moncrieff leaves me....cold. IMHO, he altered the character of the narrator so much as to create a different work. I got the second volume in the penguin classics series a while back, but I forget who translated it. It seems alright from what I read of it. Davis' is easily the top of the pile though.
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fridge corn posted:im pretty sure it's tuesday christ, my internal calendar gets all screwed up during may. we have way too many public holidays this month
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May 15, 2018 22:19
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It is meltdown May.
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Dead Souls is the best book ever what is happening itt
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WatermelonGun posted:Dead Souls is the best book ever what is happening itt Masturbating egos by making GBS threads on classics. You know, the usual.
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May 15, 2018 23:55
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mods plz change username to tediously pious tia
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May 15, 2018 23:59
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I'm more pious than any of you. I just really love God you fuckers
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Oxxidation posted:i mean them both imagine thinking the problem was with that morality and not with modern society lmao
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May 16, 2018 00:47
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Oxxidation is like a really badly written movie villain who says "Sentiment..." in a tone of disgust before slaughtering a family of homesteaders who wouldn't sell their land to his railroad
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:Oxxidation is like a really badly written movie villain who says "Sentiment..." in a tone of disgust before slaughtering a family of homesteaders who wouldn't sell their land to his railroad Hey, if God didn't want them sheared, he wouldn't have made them sheep.
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the idea that belief in a higher power, whether god or state, can offer recognition and recovery from moral turpitude is the kind of idea that i can't look at anymore without hearing a rimshot at the end, it's true, it's true also it's been a while but i remember reading that a character in the brothers karamozov commits suicide at the realization of his own spiritual depravity in the vein of svidrigaïlov and between that and javert i wonder if it was some sort of trend in nineteenth-century literature for antagonistic figures to just self-destruct when faced with knowledge of wickedness as opposed to, as everyone knows, the complete opposite
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Oxxidation posted:the idea that belief in a higher power, whether god or state, can offer recognition and recovery from moral turpitude is the kind of idea that i can't look at anymore without hearing a rimshot at the end, it's true, it's true I guess you didn't read Les Miserables either.
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Oxxidation posted:also it's been a while but i remember reading that a character in the brothers karamozov commits suicide at the realization of his own spiritual depravity in the vein of svidrigaïlov
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Sham bam bamina! posted:If that's what you took away from Smerdyakov, you might not have actually read the book. i didn't, notes was decent and then crime and punishment turned me off the man the only russian author even born in the 1800's that hooked me was krzhizhanovsky and he barely counts for the purposes of this conversation because a) he started publishing almost half a century after dostoyevsky and b) he was basically one step removed from a speculative fiction author anyway Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 16, 2018 |
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May 16, 2018 01:57
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You might like The Idiot, actually.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:You might like The Idiot, actually. i might got any translations you'd recommend
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What specifically about C&P turned you off? I thoroughly enjoyed it but like someone earlier said I read with more of a comedic eye than Dostoyevsky probably intended (Note: I read the Oliver Ready translation)
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Also, this completely misses the point:Oxxidation posted:the idea that belief in a higher power, whether god or state, can offer recognition and recovery from moral turpitude is the kind of idea that i can't look at anymore without hearing a rimshot at the end, it's true, it's true
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