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Heath posted:What specifically about C&P turned you off? I thoroughly enjoyed it but like someone earlier said I read with more of a comedic eye than Dostoyevsky probably intended mine was constance garnett because i didn't have much money to spend on books at the time and that was the cheapest edition in retrospect that may have been for a reason
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Garnett isn't terrible like a lot of public-domain translations but is only actively good in revised editions. My translation of The Idiot is by Alan Myers, but the David Magarshack and Ignat Avsey translations are safe bets. Do not bother with Pevear & Volokhonsky. Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure that you would have missed my post at the bottom of the last page, thanks to its timing, so if it isn't too much trouble, I hope you go back and read it. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 02:15 on May 16, 2018 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Garnett isn't terrible like a lot of public-domain translations but is only actively good in revised editions. in the case of that interpretation i would retort that his self-imposed imperative to "surmount" the basic evil of human nature would be what made his resolutions come off as so facile to me but now we're getting at the point where i'm trying to spin deep argumentative analysis out of a book i last read in 2012
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I'm looking at the Brailovsky revision of Garnett's The Idiot on Amazon, and it's very good. I think I'd recommend it over the Myers.
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Hey since we're on the subject of Dostoevsky translations, what are some good options for the Brothers K. My library seems to have a ton of them.
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It took me a long time to push past the first quarter of Brothers K, but once I did I got pretty engrossed. The brothers have great chemistry, and I think the Grand Inquisitor story is pretty apt. I also read the Pevears/Volokhonsky version because it had a neat cover and I didn't know they were bad at translating at the time.
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Why are P&V in such high demand? Basically every piece of Russian lit has their names on it.
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Guy A. Person posted:Hey since we're on the subject of Dostoevsky translations, what are some good options for the Brothers K. My library seems to have a ton of them. Heath posted:Why are P&V in such high demand? Basically every piece of Russian lit has their names on it. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 03:19 on May 16, 2018 |
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I remember flipping through a few of their translations and finding even just skimming them that they were pretty fuckin' ugly. They seem totally soulless, if at least serviceable as translations, where other Russian lit I've read (the Oliver Ready C&P, and the Burgin and O'Connor translation of The Master and Margarita) were light and fun and readable, which I didn't think was possible from what I knew of Russian literature based on the ridiculous abundance of P&V translations that read so stilted.
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Is Nabokov Russian lit?
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Furious Lobster posted:Is Nabokov Russian lit?
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Furious Lobster posted:Is Nabokov Russian lit? is camus african lit?
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Let Dostoyevsky be and read Dead Souls pt I, there's no God in it
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Furious Lobster posted:Is Nabokov Russian lit? Everything he wrote in Russian he translated himself (or rather assisted his son in translating it) so yes but he uniquely doesn't suffer from the problem of a poor interpreter.
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Heath posted:Everything he wrote in Russian he translated himself (or rather assisted his son in translating it) so yes but he uniquely doesn't suffer from the problem of a poor interpreter. You shouldn't say nobody interprets Nabokov badly in a thread that derp reads.
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Oxxidation posted:i didn't, notes was decent and then crime and punishment turned me off the man Read Platonov
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Ras Het posted:Read Bely
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Oh yeah absolutely read Bely, Peterburg is one of the greatest novels ever written
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Russian Literature More like Russian Shiterature
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I just finished The Great Gatsby and I absolutely hated it. Help me out, goons. Why is it a classic? Was it the first time Americans were exposed to the idea that rich people are lovely?
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Probably so. There's that Twain quote about how Americans view themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires, and predates TGG. Most of the middle class viewed the rich as something to aspire to that could be concievablg achieved by anyone.
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Borges is some real good poo poo
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fridge corn posted:Borges is some real good poo poo heck yes
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fridge corn posted:Borges is some real good poo poo He's the David Vann of being good at writing
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I'm reading some real literature but can't stop loving this child, please help.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I'm reading some real literature but can't stop loving this child, please help. well put it back in the creel, gosh
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I'm on page 360 of the luminaries and I just realized I'm thoroughly bored of it
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I’m thinking of planning a backpacking trip to Paris and the surrounding area, and I’d love to read some French lit that involves the area and French culture. Other than Dumas, what’s a good starting point?
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Rolo posted:I’m thinking of planning a backpacking trip to Paris and the surrounding area, and I’d love to read some French lit that involves the area and French culture. Soumission
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walter benjamin's passages
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ulvir posted:walter benjamin's passages
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Rolo posted:I’m thinking of planning a backpacking trip to Paris and the surrounding area, and I’d love to read some French lit that involves the area and French culture. Paris Peasant by Louis Aragon is extremely cool. Spleen de Paris obvs. Life a User's Manual and A Void b/c Perec is good.
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Rolo posted:I’m thinking of planning a backpacking trip to Paris and the surrounding area, and I’d love to read some French lit that involves the area and French culture. Journey to the End of the Night.
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The Belgian posted:Soumission
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If anyone's interested in the Irish lit scene this has a pretty decent idea of what's going on. As someone said to me (one of the editors quoted in this article) The Stinging Fly is the gold standard. It's often featured writers who've gone on to do great collection, serious novels, or been featured in The New Yorker and Granta. And you'd see people published in both mentioning it among those publications. https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/ireland-s-thriving-literary-magazine-scene-space-for-tradition-and-experimentation-1.3496202
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A mate of mine did his master's with Sally Rooney and he's incredibly annoyed at her rampant success while he edits erotica and fails to get poems published
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CestMoi posted:A mate of mine did his master's with Sally Rooney and he's incredibly annoyed at her rampant success while he edits erotica and fails to get poems published Anyone from a debating society annoys me greatly. Although Rooney seems annoyed at herself for it, which is fair. And I imagine bitterness and faked smiles in the literary scene, if tapped, could provide power for every bitcoin miner in the world. A force stronger than all the solar panels combined.
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read les miserables it's good and extremely detailed about paris
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Elman posted:This may be an unpopular opinion, but I just finished The Great Gatsby and I absolutely hated it. its loving stupid and bad is why you hated it, probably.
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Thanks everyone!
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