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klafbang posted:Floppies in RAID 0. https://www.wired.com/2009/05/five-disk-floppy-raid-4mb-of-blistering-fast-storage
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Before SATA came around, computers still used the terminology "master and slave" to refer to drives
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Yeah, but you could set the jumpers on a secondary position drive to act as a powerbottom if you're feeling frisky
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Arms_Akimbo posted:Before SATA came around, computers still used the terminology "master and slave" to refer to drives It's still the terminology for many databases, although some are trying to shift to "primary and replica".
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That's a distinctly lower case b, so I'm going to bet it's actually 18 million bits, aka just under 2 3.5" floppy disks' worth
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Sentient Data posted:That's a distinctly lower case b, so I'm going to bet it's actually 18 million bits, aka just under 2 3.5" floppy disks' worth It says bytes in the description.
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Known Lecher posted:A: 5.25" floppy drive Our Tandy 1000 EX was A: 5.25" B: 5.25" (upgraded later to 3.5") C: 40?mb hdd It seemed cool in 1987.
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Jerry Cotton posted:A:? B:? You mean ,8,1, right? The apples we used had two floppies for disk to disk copying. On the bombcast, Jeff was talking about how lovely floppies read speeds were since each system seemed to have it's own idea of how to load data. He said that this nonsense was used in DRM where you could not play a game unless the firmware in the floppy could spin it at the exact rate the system could only provide
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This is my RAID array. Some are used for primary storage, my house hard-drives, and less important storage is taken care of by the field hard-drives. All runs a treat off of my proprietary MintJULEPOS system.
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To get back to this:Flipperwaldt posted:I think I have a Freecom usb floppy drive. The brand sounds familiar in that context anyway. If you're not in a particular hurry, I can take it out of storage in a couple of days, see what model it is and try it on Windows 10, which I'm not sure I was conflating with Windows 8.1 earlier when I said modern Windows. Squish posted:It depends on what format they're in. If it's regular PC files, you'd do OK with slapping together an old PC and copying them that way. Or if they're rare/weird encoding etc. then there's the kryoflux boards that "faithfully sample the magnetic flux transitions" from the disk itself, which can then be compiled into a normal image format. Since buying a floppy drive and paying for the shipping was about the same cost as buying an entire computer, I ended up doing the latter. Now it's rocking Windows 7  and oh  I forgot how slow spinning rust was if the OS has to run on it.They're just PC floppies. I'm hoping I can still recover some sweet MIDI files and FastTracker II stuff, and who knows, perhaps there's a handful of  JPGs on it as well.
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Squish posted:It depends on what format they're in. If it's regular PC files, you'd do OK with slapping together an old PC and copying them that way. Or if they're rare/weird encoding etc. then there's the kryoflux boards that "faithfully sample the magnetic flux transitions" from the disk itself, which can then be compiled into a normal image format. Is there something in a similar price bracket but for HDDs and SSDs?
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EVIL Gibson posted:On the bombcast, Jeff was talking about how lovely floppies read speeds were since each system seemed to have it's own idea of how to load data. He said that this nonsense was used in DRM where you could not play a game unless the firmware in the floppy could spin it at the exact rate the system could only provide Paul Hughes has a page dedicated to his Freeload system (aka "The Ocean Loader") for C64, which while related to tape-based games, goes into some of the thinking and mindset behind building such things. Paul Hughes posted:I wasn't by any means the first person to write a "turbo loader", I remember the day I first saw one, I was stood in a local computer shop when the assistant popped Jeff Minter's "Revenge of the Mutant Camels" into the cassette deck. About five minutes later up pops the game! Turns out that Jeff had licensed a new fangled fast loader from a German company called Kingsoft. Paul Hughes posted:Nearing the end of the C64's tape life, Freeload started doing some crazy stuff under the hood to deter the hackers; The freeload code and the incoming data was encrypted. The protection code would decrypt multiple times over the top of itself and the executing code would "fall in" to the newly decoded sections. At one point the decryption key was based on how long certain parts of the loader took to execute - if you changed any of the loader it would mess the timings and thus scramble up the incoming data.
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HP iPAQ RX1955 - The 2005 Windows Pocket PC Experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm5omDCENPo
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Empress Brosephine posted:What would you guys say would be the best piece of technology in comparison to its competitors that was reliced very fast ala Zune to iPod and hd dvd to blu I suppose ZIP drives were great when they occupied that small piece of time between when our files were too big for a single floppy, but cheap CD burning wasn't a thing. The Sega Dreamcast was (in my opinion) so much better than the competition at the time - shame it died so suddenly and completely. Minidiscs were so much better than tapes, but Sony crippled them with its software. Actually, to think of an example that matches you question perfectly: Sony's small music players were so much better than anyhing else on the market - better bang for the buck and much cooler designs. Again, Sony fcked up but not having then play mp3s for the first few generations.
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I had a Syquest drive that I was a big fan of. Cartridges were reliable and I don’t seem to remember it being slow. It think the disks were more like a small hard disk than a big floppy though.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I had a Syquest drive that I was a big fan of. Cartridges were reliable and I don’t seem to remember it being slow. It think the disks were more like a small hard disk than a big floppy though. Oh yeah, they were great. You could drop a disc inside a plastic courier envelope without any protection and ship it literally around the world and it would work first time.
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spog posted:Actually, to think of an example that matches you question perfectly: Sony's small music players were so much better than anyhing else on the market - better bang for the buck and much cooler designs. Again, Sony fcked up but not having then play mp3s for the first few generations. Minidisc players never played MP3, they transcoded to ATRAC3 on upload. Minidiscs could have been so awesome, if they had simply worked as straight data storage, like flash memory.
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spog posted:Minidiscs were so much better than tapes, but Sony crippled them with its software. Sony doesn't have a good track record when it comes to media formats: Betamax, Minidisc, UMD, the 40 variously incompatible versions of Memory Stick. They got it wrong every time. When people were arguing over Bluray vs HDDVD smart money would have been on HDDVD solely because Sony was behind Bluray.
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Sweevo posted:Sony doesn't have a good track record when it comes to media formats: Betamax, Minidisc, UMD, the 40 variously incompatible versions of Memory Stick. They got it wrong every time. When people were arguing over Bluray vs HDDVD smart money would have been on HDDVD solely because Sony was behind Bluray. I've used and owned most of the Sony backlog of storage devices and I too went with HDDVD over Blu-Ray. - even buying the HDDVD drive for Xbox360. RIP Minidisc (at least the NetMD stuff cos SonicStage can convert to ATRAC). Also I remember spending AUD$500 on a 1GB MS DuoPro for my SE P910i which was a complete steal at the time. Granted, my PC has a dual BD/HDDVD Drive and literally I have used it once to try and play a BD movie.Try. One thing I have always wanted because The Matrix was a MD Data Drive: Sony MDH-10   Video with the most gooniest looking goon ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VUYXtbVHOk Humphreys has a new favorite as of 11:20 on May 16, 2018 |
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Empress Brosephine posted:What would you guys say would be the best piece of technology in comparison to its competitors that was reliced very fast ala Zune to iPod and hd dvd to blu netbooks were pretty close, but that was more of an obsolete thing. they were cool and worked for like 12 months until normal cpu's caught up on power and price to make a notebook with a 9 or 10" screen to really not make that much sense, and they sucked at running windows 7. I had one that it was great for a little laptop to take to class and browse the internet or take a few notes.
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Plinkey posted:netbooks were pretty close, but that was more of an obsolete thing. they were cool and worked for like 12 months until normal cpu's caught up on power and price to make a notebook with a 9 or 10" screen to really not make that much sense, and they sucked at running windows 7. They were pretty great for what they were, although they didn't really go away because Chromebooks exist.
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Plinkey posted:netbooks were pretty close, but that was more of an obsolete thing. they were cool and worked for like 12 months until normal cpu's caught up on power and price to make a notebook with a 9 or 10" screen to really not make that much sense, and they sucked at running windows 7. I will say I just picked one of these up: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MYZEPGP Not quite a netbook, but its really pretty capable for what it is, and its drat tiny for a Windows 10 machine. Its good for couch surfing and doing windows-y things that an ios device cant. I like it.
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Iron Crowned posted:They were pretty great for what they were, although they didn't really go away because Chromebooks exist. I have an Acer Spin 11” that I use exclusively for travel. It’s pretty much a netbook that has a touch screen. It runs Windows 10 and is fine for my use case - web browsing, video playback, some very very light gaming. There is definitely still a market for netbookish like devices.
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I had an eePC and it was amazing. A great little device that had a long battery life. When it got too old for regular use, it turned into a media server. I kept it as that until it made more sense to just use a Raspberry Pi instead. I still have my netbook because it was such a cool device.Jim Silly-Balls posted:I will say I just picked one of these up: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MYZEPGP I guess if you just use it to casually browse the internet, but that 2GB of RAM is going to severely limit what it can do. Every day I kick myself for not getting the 4GB version of my chromebook. I tend to have a lot of tabs open because I'm a tab hoarder and my chromebook used to regularly lock up several times per day because it would run out of memory.
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Plinkey posted:netbooks were pretty close, but that was more of an obsolete thing. they were cool and worked for like 12 months until normal cpu's caught up on power and price to make a notebook with a 9 or 10" screen to really not make that much sense, and they sucked at running windows 7. I recently came across the box for an Asus netbook in my attic. No sign of the netbook, though.
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Sentient Data posted:That's a distinctly lower case b, so I'm going to bet it's actually 18 million bits, aka just under 2 3.5" floppy disks' worth Aside from the fact that it said "bytes" later, I don't think I've ever seen microcomputer storage sizes quoted in bits. I think that for old minicomputers you'd see storage sizes quoted in words, so perhaps bits were used too back then. Humphreys posted:Is there something in a similar price bracket but for HDDs and SSDs? For a few tens of bucks you can get a USB device that can be plugged in to an IDE or SATA drive and then makes it appear like a regular mass storage device, plus a power brick with the different types of power connector for HDDs. You can then image the disk using normal tools that let the disk do the reading normally. As for something like a kryoflux that reads at a lower level, I'm guessing not - I assume the disks wouldn't have commands to allow that unless perhaps they are pre-IDE, since I think that back then the controller board was responsible for lower-level things.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Aside from the fact that it said "bytes" later, I don't think I've ever seen microcomputer storage sizes quoted in bits. I think that for old minicomputers you'd see storage sizes quoted in words, so perhaps bits were used too back then. Console games used to quote the cartridge size in megabits because bigger numbers sound more impressive to 12 year olds.
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Plinkey posted:netbooks were pretty close, but that was more of an obsolete thing. they were cool and worked for like 12 months until normal cpu's caught up on power and price to make a notebook with a 9 or 10" screen to really not make that much sense, and they sucked at running windows 7. The original netbooks, running Linux off an 8 GB flash drive and a 7" screen, didn't last longer than 6-12 months, you're right. However I think they helped manufacturers realize there was a market for extremely small laptops; at the time (2008 or so?) I remember most laptops being huge and heavy with the exception of IBM's X-Series Thinkpads. In 2009, I spent $250 on an EeePC that shipped with Windows XP (lol) but ran Debian pretty well and had a keyboard that was close enough to full-size that I could actually type on it. The biggest problem with the later generation netbooks was the vertical screen resolution. My friend had the same one I did but kept Windows on it, and at 1024x600 things sometimes got a little ridiculous. I remember watching him trying to read a PDF inside his browser, but between the Windows taskbar, the title bar on the window, the menus and navigation on the browser, and then the nested PDF controls inside the browser tab, he could only see a fraction of a page at a time. Looked like one of those old screenshots of IE with 20 toolbars installed and a tiny sliver of content at the bottom.
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Humphreys posted:I've used and owned most of the Sony backlog of storage devices and I too went with HDDVD over Blu-Ray. - even buying the HDDVD drive for Xbox360. RIP Minidisc (at least the NetMD stuff cos SonicStage can convert to ATRAC). Also I remember spending AUD$500 on a 1GB MS DuoPro for my SE P910i which was a complete steal at the time. what's his forum handle
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The biggest thing I remember about netbooks is them coming with Windows XP or 7 despite it being unusable with those, and requiring the installation of Linux to work well. Why not just ship it with Linux to have a product that worked a lot more smoothly and could be sold for a few bucks cheaper?
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:The biggest thing I remember about netbooks is them coming with Windows XP or 7 despite it being unusable with those, and requiring the installation of Linux to work well. Why not just ship it with Linux to have a product that worked a lot more smoothly and could be sold for a few bucks cheaper? "What's lunix, can I just get this with windows?"
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I found an unopened 5-pack of Hi-MDs at a Sony service center for $20. I put it on eBay, and it sold for $145.
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:The biggest thing I remember about netbooks is them coming with Windows XP or 7 despite it being unusable with those, and requiring the installation of Linux to work well. Why not just ship it with Linux to have a product that worked a lot more smoothly and could be sold for a few bucks cheaper? Windows XP worked great on my EeePC. I think my dad still uses it for updating firmware on radio systems. It's tiny and light, and it has USB ports. That's all you need.
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The original 7" eeepc could run xp and unreal tournament 99 at full resolution at like 40-60fps near max quality with software rendering, what more could you ask for?
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Sentient Data posted:The original 7" eeepc could run xp and unreal tournament 99 at full resolution at like 40-60fps near max quality with software rendering, what more could you ask for? Now I want UT99 for Switch.
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Pham Nuwen posted:The original netbooks, running Linux off an 8 GB flash drive and a 7" screen, didn't last longer than 6-12 months, you're right. However I think they helped manufacturers realize there was a market for extremely small laptops; at the time (2008 or so?) I remember most laptops being huge and heavy with the exception of IBM's X-Series Thinkpads. In 2009, I spent $250 on an EeePC that shipped with Windows XP (lol) but ran Debian pretty well and had a keyboard that was close enough to full-size that I could actually type on it. I had the very first model of the EeePC that came with an 800*480 screen You could get XP on it provided you pruned the install to the minimum. However the screen resolution just didn't work: most software would display their windows with the buttons below the bottom of the screen and you often couldn't move the window up enough to access them. There was a hack to make the desktop 800*600 and it would scroll up or down when your cursor hit the top/bottom of the screen - but that was too jarring to use. so I swapped back to the native linux install which was pretty neat - fast, well-designed and quite feature rich.....the only downside was the wifi would often just refuse to connect and there never was a resolution to that. Loved it otherwise.
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spog posted:I had the very first model of the EeePC that came with an 800*480 screen I used that scrolling desktop hack on a 486 running Linux circa 2001. My little old CRT monitor was either 640x480 or 800x600, forget which, but turning that on made X much more usable.
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