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ausgezeichnet posted:I used to laugh about stuff like that being on checklists, but after nearly 35 years in commercial aviation I no longer dismiss those reminders. This paragraph carries some freggin' gravity, goddamn.
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Sagebrush posted:What do you do in a tiltrotor if the tilting mechanism gets stuck in the forward position and you need to land? They can be landed horizontally, it just destroys the prop-rotors.
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Was this posted here? I don't remember. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee_FLbODhKc
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ausgezeichnet posted:Apparently, GEAR......UP is not on that particular airline's After Takeoff check. Or it was the last in a long line of poor procedures and inadequate cross-checking. Pro post/AV combo
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Slo-Tek posted:At least on a V-22 the rotors are frangible, and will shred into ropes of hugely expensive plastic rather than shatter and fly through the crew compartment. Presumably the same on this one. You would land it like an airplane, and maybe not kill everybody every time. But it is still a helicopter, so killing most of the people most of the time is expected. You can kill some of the people all of the time, you can kill all of the people some of the time, but you can't kill all of the people all of the time. - Abraham "JetRanger" Lincoln
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Butt Reactor posted:There was also a flap overspeed on final, and the thrust reversers were not armed for landing (I don’t recall completing the landing checklist). Wait, so after the error with the gear was discovered, they then proceeded to botch the before landing checklist? FO: "Hey Captain?" CPT: "Yeah?" FO: "We missed this critical checklist item and possibly endangered the lives of ourselves and our passengers, do you think we should be more vigilant from here on out so we don't make further mistakes?" Both: "NAH!"
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xergm posted:Wait, so after the error with the gear was discovered, they then proceeded to botch the before landing checklist? Its not like they're going to have a job after this anyways?
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hobbesmaster posted:Its not like they're going to have a job after this anyways? You'd be surprised. Generally, as long as the pilots fill out the proper reports about the incident (most US airlines have a voluntary and mostly anonymous self-reporting system) and the event wasn't intentional, there's a very good chance they'd be sent back for some kind of retraining, but would keep their jobs. If they happen to work for a non-union airline, their odds of getting fired go up, but regional airlines are short enough on pilots right now that it's getting harder to get fired from one.
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If you fired pilots for things like that, even when they reported it back themselves, they would hide their mistakes, coerce their colleagues into not ratting and the safety record would be worse.
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azflyboy posted:If they happen to work for a non-union airline, their odds of getting fired go up, but regional airlines are short enough on pilots right now that it's getting harder to get fired from one. I assumed the worst from the first half since they were flying a CRJ200 but the 2nd half is a good point.
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Finger Prince posted:Was this posted here? I don't remember. Who's fuckup was this anyway?
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PittTheElder posted:Who's fuckup was this anyway? Whoever was controlling the plane in motion I would imagine.
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PittTheElder posted:Who's fuckup was this anyway? Multiple parties. Airline/ground handling company for not having a ground crew ready to martial the a/c on to stand, Turkish for not pulling in far enough, (though that could be disputed), apron control for not realizing Turkish was holding short of the gate and there may not be space for Asiana, Asiana for not spotting Turkish sticking out and querying apron (again, disputable). I think Asiana is probably least culpable here, especially if apron have given them the all clear to taxi. I'd say it's probably mosly apron control's fault.
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So:    Airspeed had somebody who did this, they assumed the tail-cockpit-thing would have provided enough stability that the airplane wouldn't need a rudder! It was not made as it was dumb as hell Also found a neat cutaway: (visit the link for huge) 
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That's a hell of a thing. it looks like whoever kitbashed that together used the landing gear from an I-16
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So anyone at the Scaled family open house?
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Nebakenezzer posted:So: "Why is Neb posting a planform view of the De Havilland Vampire... oh wait... what?"
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Terrible Robot posted:That's a hell of a thing. The kit comes from one of those garage resin manufacturers Bizarrely you can get just about anything in prototypes if you shop small manufacturers
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Goddamn, imagine the g forces in that cockpit every time you pulled back on the yoke.
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Gorilla Salad posted:Goddamn, imagine the g forces in that cockpit every time you pulled back on the yoke. *pulls on stick* *sinks under the wing*
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https://i.imgur.com/fOjPmBV.gifv S2T air tanker drop on a California wildfire
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All waterbomber operations qualify as aeronautical insanity, IMHO.
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I wonder if the S-3s will ever be repurposed as water bombers.
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Pyronautical inflamity.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://i.imgur.com/fOjPmBV.gifv The most adorable water bomber you ever did see
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Party Plane Jones posted:
Coolest job in the world, maybe second to whoever flies the DC 10 tanker.
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I'm surprised they don't fill the right seat with someone who could focus on the firefighting operation and let the pilot put more of his attention on flying the aircraft in close proximity to the ground. I'd want another pair of eyeballs around in that situation. An S-3 water bomber sounds terrifying; seems like the last thing that pilot needs is to be moving even faster! Although, the stall speed is pretty low for a jet like that, around 100 kts. I couldn't find any information about where the S-2 stalls for comparison. Tetraptous fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 18, 2018 |
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Tetraptous posted:I'm surprised they don't fill the right seat with someone who could focus on the firefighting operation and let the pilot put more of his attention on flying the aircraft in close proximity to the ground. I'd want another pair of eyeballs around in that situation. That's what the lead plane (air commander) is for. They liase between the ground personnel that requested the drop and the air assets providing the support. Larger fires usually split that up and just have the lead planes lead (air attack) while the air commander flies a lazy circle at 10k in a king air. SeaborneClink fucked around with this message at 17:30 on May 18, 2018 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://i.imgur.com/fOjPmBV.gifv I've always wondered why they seem to fly into terrain after the drop...Yup, the onboard footage! Badass.
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sanchez posted:Coolest job in the world, maybe second to whoever flies the DC 10 tanker. another excuse to repost this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJTZXl_5BE
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737 crashed in Cuba after take off. https://twitter.com/blakeley1990/status/997517696265834498
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Reports are now saying it's a Cuban airliner. I didn't know they flew 737s though...
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slidebite posted:Reports are now saying it's a Cuban airliner. I didn't know they flew 737s though... It is leased from and operated by Blue Panorama on behalf of Cubana, according to initial reports.
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slidebite posted:Reports are now saying it's a Cuban airliner. I didn't know they flew 737s though... Apparently it was a BluePan 734 operating for Cubana.
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Do you suppose if it's an Italian-registered and operated aircraft, idiot "journalists" will shut the gently caress up about Cubana's safety record? lol of course not EDIT: Latest reports say that it wasn't BluePan's PT6A fucked around with this message at 19:22 on May 18, 2018 |
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Mortabis posted:I wonder if the S-3s will ever be repurposed as water bombers. Small and expensive to fly. No bombay, nor can one be easily modified to work without structural compromises.
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Reports are now saying that the crashed plane in Havana was XA-UZK, operated by a Mexican leasing company of some description.
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