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I'm going to guess around 15-20% using the Seinfeld Incident as a reference. When they re-show TV shows from the 80s and early 90s on TV they often edit them a bit so that they can conform to how many more commercials are shown today. If you catch Magnum PI or shows like that as an example, they might feel weirdly disjointed, that's not the show not holding up, it's the show having like a third of its content removed. But in the case of when Seinfeld was on TBS they just sped up every episode by 7.5% so that they could fit an extra two minutes of commercials in per half hour block. When TBS shows A Christmas Story they speed it up by 13.5% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGGCJ6V83lk At the same time I'm guessing so high because I'm thinking of instances in action movies where I'm actually noticing it. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 18:54 on May 17, 2018 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:What's the name of that Tamil (?) movie where the hero fights all these oiled, moustachioed men in a gym and at one point they surround him and all start flexing their pectorals in unison? I don't know why, but I read this as "what's the part of a Tamil movie" as if it's a cliché thing that happens in most of them.
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Neo Rasa posted:At the same time I'm guessing so high because I'm thinking of instances in action movies where I'm actually noticing it. It stood out for me in Boyka: Undisputed, and now I seem to be seeing it everywhere, but that could be pareidolia or confirmation bias or whatever you call that.
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May 17, 2018 19:00
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There are a few instances of it in John Wick 2 that stand out mostly because of how little it's used in those films. The one I'm thinking of is the scene where Wick is reloading his shotgun and he has to pull his pistol quickly to take out two guys coming around the corner. The quick-draw was majorly sped up to make it look more impressive. Generally though the fighting style they have Keanu using for Wick is perfect in that it's realistic, impactful, but relatively methodical and slow moving so that he isn't out of his league performing the moves.
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I honestly really like the way Zack Snyder does it, where it slows down for particularly cool "poses" and speeds through the rest of the action to keep the time spent the same
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May 17, 2018 19:46
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If a fight is shot undercranked by as little as 1 frame per second (at 23fps rather than 24), that'll end up on screen as roughly 4% faster and make quite a big difference to the scene's pace and punchiness while being barely noticeable. Editors will quite often skip single frames to increase the impact of certain moves as well. Example: Die Hard, when McClane kicks Karl in the head as he comes through a door. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. There was once a whole movie (I'd like to say it was Deepstar Six, but I'm not completely sure) shot at 23fps so the whole thing moved faster, even in dialogue scenes. If the audio was pitch-shifted back to normal I doubt anyone would even have realised. Edit: if you ever watched a PAL videotape or DVD, you got the 4% speed increase for free! Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 17, 2018 |
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Clipperton posted:It stood out for me in Boyka: Undisputed, and now I seem to be seeing it everywhere, but that could be pareidolia or confirmation bias or whatever you call that. The Church scene in Kingsmen is CRAZY sped-up, even a dullard like me noticed it
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The Church scene in Kingsmen is CRAZY sped-up, even a dullard like me noticed it Everything in the Kingsman movies is sped up, but it's almost like a gimmick that they're wearing on their sleeve, not really trying to hide it. I like it, it makes the Kingsmen seem like coiled springs waiting to explode.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I honestly really like the way Zack Snyder does it, where it slows down for particularly cool "poses" and speeds through the rest of the action to keep the time spent the same Baahubali does this, but in a movie that is actually good
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Wheat Loaf posted:Boxleitner on B5 always reminded me of Martin Sheen in The West Wing. That's actually a very good comparison. Except Boxleitner had an easy charm in his early episodes, while Sheen seemed more like a mythic figure from the get go. I'm actually really enjoying Babylon 5. I'd love to read how they actually got it together, like, an ambitious, expensive show based on an original IP that needed to be watched from the beginning, all long before DVDs, never mind streaming. That's a hell of a bit of salesmanship. Clipperton posted:I know fight scenes are often sped up in action movies so they look quicker and deadlier. How much do they speed them up though? 5-10%? Just wondering, no reason. The figure I remember from a Bruce Lee documentary (it's the one where they actually showed all the cut 'game of death' footage) was that it was shot at 24 and played at 18 frames a second. Though that may just be a function of the tech at the time. Or it may be utter bullshit. It was Kareem Abdul Jabaar being interviewed
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So John Wick 3 makes him Number 6 in The Village?
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Davros1 posted:So John Wick 3 makes him Number 6 in The Village? This would be incredible.
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Henry Cavill, smartly reloading his fists before a fight 
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Cavill's character seems designed to be the quintessential Bond henchman, which seems like it could be awesome. He has these little bits of fun individuality and it appears he has a pretty unique fighting style too. And that's just from the trailer.
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Yeah those punches look loving bone-shattering. Hopefully the movie is good, Ghost Protocol was flippin' fantastic but I was a little underwhelmed by Rogue Nation outside of the underwater scene and the motorcycle chase.
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May 18, 2018 19:35
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He finally gets the summer release date he always deserved.
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Saw Accident Man the other day and enjoyed it! Jesse Johnson knows how to make a film look good on a tight budget (more so than Isaac Florentine anyway) and the whole thing moved along very pleasantly, although it fizzled out a bit at the end. Scott Adkins gets to stretch his acting muscles and does quite well, and also gets a two-on-one fight with Michael Jai White and Ray Park. I've seen quite a few people compare it to Guy Ritchie, which makes me sad because Pat Mills (who wrote the Accident Man comic) has been doing that style of violent comedy since before Ritchie's balls dropped.
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Today a YouTube ad randomly started to show me the red band trailer for this new Blumhouse movie Upgrade, and it was the first time I was ever happy to see a random ad on YouTube. This thing looks sick, and it has all these horror people behind what seems to be an incredibly violent action/sci-fi movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hTLGlgZ4Z8
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May 19, 2018 03:17
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Apparently Bautista is making an action comedy with Iko from the Raid called Stuber. I need to find out more.
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I've been going through a few war movies I've had sat in my "to watch" pile for a while. Some I've seen before, but not for quite some time. As I've mentioned before, I don't tend to enjoy war movies which either tell or are very heavily based on true stories, but The Guns of Navarone remains a favourite of mine (Gregory Peck would've been such an obvious choice for a Superman movie in the 1960s). Where Eagles Dare is one my dad likes. I thought it was fine, but it went on a bit. The big twist in the middle where Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood have infiltrated the Nazi stronghold is sort of contrived to me. It's not bad but as far as Alistair McLean movies go I like the aforementioned Navarone better. Of course The Dirty Dozen is great but I'd actually forgotten just how much of it is spent with the Dozen in the training camp and how the actual mission is just the last 20 minutes of a two-hour-plus movie. Also: Clint Walker also would've been an obvious choice for a Superman movie in the 60s, maybe even more so than Peck. The most recent one I've watched was Cross of Iron, the Sam Peckinpah movie from 1977. It's pretty good but it's weird watching a war movie where the ostensible "good guys" are German soldiers on the Eastern front.  There's one scene in it I thought looked really cool where the dust is settling immediately after some fighting, and this big cloud of it blows away to reveal a Soviet tank sitting waiting to roll in and finish them off.Next up is Eagles Over London, one of the Enzo Castellari war movies (along with Inglorious Bastards, which I haven't seen) that inspired Tarantino when he was making Inglourious Basterds.
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What are in peoples' opinions here the WORST moments in action movies you've seen. I mean yeah there's tons of mega crap action movies and setpieces/effects that haven't aged well. But stuff that's just, like, stands out as transcendentally badly executed compared to the rest of the movie. I'll start, let's take a look at Death Wish IV: THE CRACKDOWN. A mid-era entry in the many Reagan era of war on drugs movies we got from the middle of the 80s through the early 90s. Like all Death Wish movies this one is pretty cheap, though it's probably the best made of them overall and has a fun twist for this sort of flick. Anyway one moment in it stands above all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emt-ufnM58I Okay let's break this down. He's "undercover" here as a wine salesman interacting with a guy he already met while going under cover as a caterer as a crime boss' party like less than a day ago. In the book that inspired the movies our vigilante is a disguise guy but here nope. Also  Okay so maybe he's not a disguise guy okay whatever but he reeeeaaaally didn't think this through. This wouldn't be a huge deal except this is Cannon Films' Death Wish IV: THE CRACKDOWN, Paul Kersey is played up like this real deal super smooth specialist agent of drug busting destruction throughout the movie. So it really stands out.And yeah of course he's recognized almost immediately and has to run off and detonate his wine bomb early. But then the explosion happens. So just to clarify this, the wine bottle itself has a bomb attached to it. ??? or maybe now it's inside it ??? The part where he rigs it up is very vague and, like, we all get a good look at this bottle of wine looking totally normal and able to pour actual wine and everything, like this is some James Bond and/or Jurassic Park shaving cream level of sophistication. He runs off and detonates the bomb and...we get some pretty embarrassing mannequins here. I mean like drat. They're on par with the mannequins in the Godfrey Ho film Ninja: American Warrior in that they're like not even close to the same height/build as the people they represent. Like they couldn't even at least sit them up? Also of course we get TWO explosions! Neither of which are anywhere near where the bottle of wine was placed. Anyway they must have realized how botched and stupid this looked since they cut to a closeup of a big gassy fireball, as if to imply that the entire restaurant was enveloped in flames and it's just like, drat, okay the stuff is bad but why even bother making the stuff in the first place if you're gonna cheap out THAT badly immediately after? This one always stuck out in my mind because even the first time I saw the movie it just really stood out as insanely bad. Death Wish V: Faces of Death surpasses all other Death Wishes in terms of being a horrendously bad and super cheap* piece of poo poo movie, but this one moment in Death Wish IV always sticks with me. Wheat Loaf posted:Of course The Dirty Dozen is great but I'd actually forgotten just how much of it is spent with the Dozen in the training camp and how the actual mission is just the last 20 minutes of a two-hour-plus movie. Also: Clint Walker also would've been an obvious choice for a Superman movie in the 60s, maybe even more so than Peck. He does menacing pretty well too, he was in some real lovely TV movies where he plays a heavy/creepy dude and the movies suck rear end overall but still. Might be interesting to check out one called Scream of the Wolf which stars him and Peter Graves (don't expect any action though).
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Clipperton posted:I've seen quite a few people compare it to Guy Ritchie, which makes me sad because Pat Mills (who wrote the Accident Man comic) has been doing that style of violent comedy since before Ritchie's balls dropped. I bought myself the dvd on a whim earlier today when I saw it in an Asda for a fiver (supermarkets are where I discover most DTV action movies) so I'm looking forward to that. You mentioned Guy Ritchie; I've seen that his next big project (presumably after he's done with the live-action Aladdin movie) is going to be a movie called "Toff Guys" which will be a(nother) return to his "gangsters, geezers and guns" roots. Sherlock Holmes 3 is also happening but there's no word on whether he's going to direct or not. Who knows, maybe he'll finally get onto the sequel teased just before the end credits of RocknRolla one day.  I'm actually surprised Ritchie's never done a movie with a ton of martial arts stuff in it, because I know he's really heavily into it and has a bunch of black belts in karate and judo and BJJ himself, and plenty of the people he's worked with (most particularly Statham) are as well. Seems like it'd be right in his wheelhouse.
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Neo Rasa posted:He's "undercover" here as a wine salesman interacting with a guy he already met while going under cover as a caterer as a crime boss' party like less than a day ago. In the book that inspired the movies our vigilante is a disguise guy but here nope.
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Don't forget the bit in Lone Wolf McQuade where Norris is buried in his truck, comes to, rinses his face in beer and just jumps his truck out of the hole. You can almost imagine the director insisting 'no one will notice'
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Eagles Over London has a lot of cool action scenes and as someone largely ignorant of film-making I think you can see cues Taratino took from the direction which found their way into Inglourious Basterds, but its main problem is threefold: a) the plot is about German saboteurs disguising themselves as English soldiers so they can infiltrate radar stations before the Battle of Britain; b) they are mainly played by Italian actors with English dubbing; and c) the hero is a British soldier played by an Italian actor speaking English with a slight accent, who looks incredibly similar to the villain, one of the German soldiers played by an Italian actor whose voice I'm pretty sure is dubbed in by a British actor and thus sounds more obviously English. Edit: I've just read that Richard Donner was on Gilbert Gottfried's podcast (I haven't heard it) and said that Lethal Weapon 5 is "coming up". I feel like this would be a mistake. They're all too old for that poo poo. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 14:42 on May 20, 2018 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Well, if you want ridiculous plot holes: In A Force of One, Chuck Norris' son discovers a drug deal. They beat him to death, then shoot his corpse up with heroin to make it look like he overdosed. Apparently punching and kicking him until he died of brain damage or internal bleeding didn't leave any marks. I totally forgot about this and it's insanely stupid too. I think you can definitely a see a pattern where the more "war on drugs" the movie is the dumber it is. Another favorite is in MCBAIN (1990). MCBAIN and his team of Vietnam vets who are going to singlehandedly liberate a small Colombia from a brutal dictator. So to raise money for this they find some drug dealers (this was a Shapiro Glickenhaus Entertainment production of Exterminator fame) to shoot up and take their money from. But then Luis Guzmán informs them* that as mere drug dealers they're not the guys pulling the strings, so they instead capture some mafia head honcho and extort him for millions of dollars by pretending to be Mossad agents that heard rumors he was anti-Semitic and Walken attempts some kind of accent. It's insanely bad. Then on the way to Colombia some Russian jet pulls up to their weekend prop plane rental and signals for them to land but MCBAIN just shoots the Russian pilot in the head. No like literally he just fires a gun through both cockpits, somehow, our team of liberators is unaffected by this somehow. Lone Wolf McQuade man, I both love and hate that that scene is real. *Them being Christopher Walken, Maria Conchita Alonso, Steve James, Michael Ironside, and Michael Dudikoff, please watch this movie ASAP if you haven't.
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I literally finished watching McBain about an hour ago and it is pretty amazing. There's another movie from around the same time called Bulletproof in which Gary Busey plays a character who's also called McBain. I'm pretty sure it happened because Gary Busey was in Lethal Weapon and they decided to capitalise by putting him in a cowboy cop vs the drug dealers action movie. It is on my list.
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Neo Rasa posted:I totally forgot about this and it's insanely stupid too. I think you can definitely a see a pattern where the more "war on drugs" the movie is the dumber it is. ... wait, McBain wasn't just a Simpsons gag? 
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Wheat Loaf posted:I literally finished watching McBain about an hour ago and it is pretty amazing. Hell yes McBain is nuts. The best part is when the president says "THEY JUST hosed WITH THE WRONG PRESIDENT" and then holds a press conference where he announces that US dollars will now be colored red, white and blue instead of green. I think you'll enjoy Bulletproof quite a bit though it has a very slow beginning. It's awesome and is like art imitating art in that it feels like they played Bloody Wolf or Breakthru or something and were like "Huh, this video game's awesome, let's make a movie like it" instead of the other way around. Timby posted:... wait, McBain wasn't just a Simpsons gag? Correct, while the Simpsons character's look and voice is of course Arnold-inspired you should definitely check out the film Bulletproof starring Gary Busey. MCBAIN!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T2S8GHzxqc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqsN1smBIeE Then of course you HAVE to see the Christopher Walken movie MCBAIN. I mean god drat. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 16:55 on May 20, 2018 |
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Neo Rasa posted:MCBAIN!!  "Yeah!"
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Wheat Loaf posted:
YERWORST NIGHTMARE BUTTHORN!!!
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MCBAIN has a scene where Maria Conchita Alonso rides out of her village in Colombia on a donkey in imitation of Christ entering Jerusalem and her character's name is Christina except she rides to the US to recruit Christopher Walken (MCBAIN) to help liberate Colombia.
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The opening scene takes place in Vietnam; Christopher Walken is a POW and he's being forced to cage-fight this huge, copiously-oiled soldier for the amusement of a Viet Cong officer who wears a necklace made of rotting human ears.
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There's a part during the final climax where MCBAIN (Christopher Walken) stops what he's doing to force an enemy guard to hold a potted plant before continuing to the next level/scene.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I literally finished watching McBain about an hour ago and it is pretty amazing. Is Bulletproof the one with the super tank?
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Davros1 posted:Is Bulletproof the one with the super tank? It's not just a super tank, it's "Prototype tank codenamed: THUNDERBLAST."
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Neo Rasa posted:It's not just a super tank, it's "Prototype tank codenamed: THUNDERBLAST." Okay, so the obvious question is: Why wasn't this movie called THUNDERBLAST!!
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Bulletproof owns and is the dumbest poo poo imaginable in all the best ways. My pet hate in action films, and it's not restricted to any one film, is where the big henchman comes out, the hero hits them a couple of times (to no effect) and, as a solution, just hits them harder, and that works. Get creative, man. For a great, lesser known film, Brandon Lee's Rapid Fire is really, really good. Especially the complex shoot-out/fist fight around a restaurant. It's a really impressive piece of staging and editing. It also has a really good solution to the 'big henchman' problem.
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Mine is any time someone's nose is broken after which they are legally obligated to say out loud "YOU broke my nooose!"
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