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Not to mention that they specifically say you can lose essence from drug burnout that is truly a last ditch effort, but runs survive on last ditch efforts all the time.
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One of the nice things about jobs in the boonies is that you can openly carry around a large-calibre hunting rifle and nobody is going to bat an eye. (Of course, the other side of that is that you can expect pretty much every household to have at least one, and someone who knows how to use it.) That, and as dangerous as paracritters can be, most of them still act largely like normal animals. As long as you leave them the gently caress alone, they're not gonna go out of their way to gently caress with you, either.
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May 17, 2018 19:51
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Night10194 posted:Addiction mechanics are a plague in every RPG that has them. 
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Is there any awakened critter that reacts well to being told he's a good boy and getting scratched behind the ears?
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May 17, 2018 20:20
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Siegkrow posted:Is there any awakened critter that reacts well to being told he's a good boy and getting scratched behind the ears? Yes.
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May 17, 2018 20:22
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I should be angry but it technically answers my question without ANSWERING ANYTHING
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May 17, 2018 22:28
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Siegkrow posted:I should be angry but it technically answers my question without ANSWERING ANYTHING Yeah, but you wouldn't have believed any of us if we'd said Great Dragons/Serpents.
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May 17, 2018 22:31
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habeasdorkus posted:Yeah, but you wouldn't have believed any of us if we'd said Great Dragons/Serpents. On the other hand, Dunkelzahn.
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May 17, 2018 22:32
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Siegkrow posted:Is there any awakened critter that reacts well to being told he's a good boy and getting scratched behind the ears? Taliscats are adorable. Never attack the cat lady, wherever she is, that tiny greying tabby she's got sitting on her lap will turn in a magical, lightning fast cuisinart the size of a small car, so will Orestes and Dido, and Ishtar and Socrates. And Heraclitus when he gets out of his home in the clean laundry. Hellhounds are also rather nice if you're a dog person.
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I googled Taliscats. I wish I hadn't. loving furries.
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PMush Perfect posted:I do like the "on too many drugs at once" mechanic, though. Other than that, addiction is better roleplayed than made into clunky mechanical poo poo. Yeah I think having addiction as negative qualities is fine but the rules they try to give you for enforcing it is stupid.
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So since we're talking setting and all, here's question: Since a SIN is all-important in the 6th World, how does one become SIN-less? And what percentage of the world's population is?
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Fighting Trousers posted:So since we're talking setting and all, here's question: Since a SIN is all-important in the 6th World, how does one become SIN-less? And what percentage of the world's population is? Generally, SINless people are either illegal immigrants, the lowest of the poverty dregs (thus why a lot of runners crop up in places like the Redmond Barrens) or they manage to piss someone off and get their entire identity wiped. It's generally not a conscious choice. As for how many people are SINless, it's hard to say since there are parts of the world that don't participate in the global registry - notably, most of Africa, though I assume a place like The Flux isn't too keen on it either. If a country participates in the Global SIN Registry, though, it's assumed at least 90% of their recognized population is given SINs.
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Fighting Trousers posted:So since we're talking setting and all, here's question: Since a SIN is all-important in the 6th World, how does one become SIN-less? And what percentage of the world's population is? Babies are given a SIN when they are born, assuming the paperwork is filled out with whatever government or corporate territory they're born into. A lot of babies aren't born into such a situation. Some SINners go to great lengths to destroy any records of themselves to separate themselves from their SIN. Others were "lucky" enough that their SIN and all records of their existence were blown away during the second Crash. (One character advantage you can buy is that any records or footage of you will mysteriously disappear within a couple of days after they were made. Maybe the spirits of the Matrix have taken a liking to you, or you have a patron interested in cleaning up your data trail.) A caveat: If you get arrested, and you're SINless, you will be assigned a "criminal" SIN to make sure your arrest record sticks to you. All the disadvantages of being a SINner with none of the advantages. Again, that assumes the police who arrest you want to go through the proper paperwork of booking you. KataraniSword posted:If a country participates in the Global SIN Registry, though, it's assumed at least 90% of their recognized population is given SINs. That "recognized" is important.
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So are there any corp response unit or 'domesticated' critter that will make a veteran shadowrun team decide to bug out? The juggernaught mentioned above does not sound too bad if you have some top-of-the-line weapon/ammo, and Knight Errants (being cops) did not seem too hard for a well established team to handle.
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I dunno about anything corp-related (probably the cream-of-the-crop divisions the CEOs guard their own homes with), but if I recall correctly, government special forces are still a bone-chilling prospect, even in a world where corporations hold dominance over nations in every other respect, mostly because now they're all also Awakened in addition to having memorized 300 uses for a sharpened shovel, at least half of which involve killing things.
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Sordas Volantyr posted:government special forces are still a bone-chilling prospect, even in a world where corporations hold dominance over nations in every other respect, mostly because now they're all also Awakened in addition to having memorized 300 uses for a sharpened shovel, at least half of which involve killing things. Now I'm wondering what it would look like if a major nation like UCAS decided to nationalize all of its industry.
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May 18, 2018 03:23
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Something something awaken a sleeping giant.
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habeasdorkus posted:Now I'm wondering what it would look like if a major nation like UCAS decided to nationalize all of its industry. It would probably make for a pretty interesting campaign.
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habeasdorkus posted:Now I'm wondering what it would look like if a major nation like UCAS decided to nationalize all of its industry. This...sort of happened in the Cyberpunk 2020 setting(not Shadowrun, but they share a lot of similar roots). The US branches of the Megacorps nationalized and took over the government. It will be interesting to see if CD Projekt Red uses it for Cyberpunk 2077, hopefully they stop at Cybergenerations.
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Alt-Campaignwhere Duzuklan didn't die in 2054 and also read a bunch of Marx after awakening
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Alt-Campaignwhere Duzuklan didn't die in 2054 and also read a bunch of Marx after awakening Because there's no situation so bad a little communism won't make it even worse.
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Aztlan did that in 2044 on the behest of Aztechnology, including gobbling up the Panama Canal. In response, the other AAA corps kicked off Operation RECIPROCITY where they united to launch a series of air strikes at military bases in Ensenada to make it clear that their united power allowed them to demolish Aztlan/Aztech assets more or less at will. The Big A was dragged to the negotiating table and told to play nice or an Omega Order would be issued - the authorization of unlimited aggression, up to and including nuclear weapons and kinetic bombardment. Aztlan signed the Veracruz Settlement and were forced to reimbursed the previous owners for the seized corporations and once more allow foreign investment, and the Panama Canal was made a Pan-Corporate Zone. But they retained the law that said no corporation may operate in Aztlan without being majority owned by Aztechnology. In Finland Nokia and Ericsson merged in 2019, and over the next ten years the government helped them gobble up all the industry in Finland in anticipation of a Russian invasion that never came. They eventually were one of the three corporations that formed the AAA corporation NeoNET. Vietnam nationalized its corporations and formed them into the Khouang Combine in 2032, but allowed minority investment from outside interests and did so with the complicity of Shiawase and Aztechnology. They're currently part of the Pacific Prosperity Group, an organization of Pacific Rim corporations trying to challenge the combined might of the Japanacorps. The Pueblo Corporate The lines between country and corporation get pretty blurry at times in Shadowrun. Tehan fucked around with this message at 09:12 on May 18, 2018 |
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Alt-Campaignwhere Duzuklan didn't die in 2054 and also read a bunch of Marx after awakening   
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IMJack posted:A caveat: If you get arrested, and you're SINless, you will be assigned a "criminal" SIN to make sure your arrest record sticks to you. All the disadvantages of being a SINner with none of the advantages. Again, that assumes the police who arrest you want to go through the proper paperwork of booking you. And if you really pissed someone off then they'll implant an autobroadcaster in your skeleton tuned to law enforcement channels so every cop scanner within a block or two automatically knows you're there. Right, Broadcasting. SINs aren't something you hide in a lot of places. In basically anywhere nice enough to qualify as middle class on up, anyone that doesn't have their PAN broadcasting their SIN is automatically a suspicious person who the cops will pick up and interrogate if they don't have anything better to do. It's basically the Shadowrun version of getting hit by anti-vagrancy laws.
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^in later editions that's true. The vidcons are set in the wired era where a cop has to physically request and scan your ID.
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Tehan posted:The Pueblo Corporate Court was both a nation and corporation right from the beginning, and are one of the major players in North American politics. Pueblo Corporate Council. And yes, every registered native Pueblo with a SIN who doesn't have any other citizenship, Corp or otherwise, is a shareholder of the nation, and is allowed to vote in their shares at board meetings, which basically function as their elections. I don't know if they gave shares to the new citizens they gained when they were invited to take over LA following the massive quakes known as the Twins ahead of the Azzies when CalFree washed their hands of the area (and the Azzies wanted the city so badly too!), but I wouldn't be surprised if they gave the remaining leadership of the city that didn't sign on with Horizon some shares for allowing them to claim the place. Not those dirty SINless though, they don't count at all. GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 07:08 on May 18, 2018 |
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chiasaur11 posted:Because there's no situation so bad a little communism won't make it even worse. If you count communism.and capitalism as a zero sum game (unlike what the Chinese somehow did), the Shadowrun setting is so far up the capitalism side that adding some communism can't hurt.
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chiasaur11 posted:Because there's no situation so bad a little communism won't make it even worse. To be fair, I'd think an Elder Dragon would have the smarts and power to make pure communism work, though I think that even Dunkelzahn would want to go for European-styled socialism, if only because that would make building his hoard a little more politically acceptable.
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Getting a High Threat Response Team called after you is also a pretty bad thing. Like, see those Knight Errant guys with guns and some grenades? High Threat is where they're bringing in the organized kill squad who knows perfectly well the quickest way to deal with your little team is to beeline your mage, have a sniper take out your decker while he's busy dicking around at a jackpoint, and now a few seconds in your squad is essentially hosed. For fun they're probably sporting way better weapons than your ragtag misfits could ever drag along. Pew pew lasers, maybe a chopper hanging around for amusement
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Until they discover that the troll put down three troll sized garbage cans of napalm and lofting charges next to their predicted landing zones, the chopper got to party with a couple suicide drones (and won, shadowrun armor is obnoxious sometimes) and now the cost for HTRTs has doubled city-wide. On the other hand they now pack hazmat suits and start shooting even earlier.
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SIGSEGV posted:Until they discover that the troll put down three troll sized garbage cans of napalm and lofting charges next to their predicted landing zones, the chopper got to party with a couple suicide drones (and won, shadowrun armor is obnoxious sometimes) and now the cost for HTRTs has doubled city-wide. When they touch down, we'll blow the roof. They'll spend a month sifting through the rubble and by the time they figure out what went wrong— we'll be sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent.
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Depending on who you're running against, odds are the HT guys are more likely to outprep you. "Okay we have the troll setting napalm and why did his gun just explode? And what happened to our comms? And why is Matrixkid69 being eaten by twelve angry spirits?"
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Sordas Volantyr posted:I dunno about anything corp-related (probably the cream-of-the-crop divisions the CEOs guard their own homes with), but if I recall correctly, government special forces are still a bone-chilling prospect, even in a world where corporations hold dominance over nations in every other respect, mostly because now they're all also Awakened in addition to having memorized 300 uses for a sharpened shovel, at least half of which involve killing things. Nah, special forces aren't all awakened, but you can expect at least one member of any given team to be. Special forces and HTR teams in general are a pretty clear message that you should GTFO, though. The problem with these nice people isn't just that they're better-equipped or more capable combatants on a personal level. It's that while normal security is focused on defending the premises and reacting to whatever you do, HTR or corp/national SF when called in will take the initiative and have loving you up as their main directive. That means they're going to be a hell of a lot more pro-active and aggressive than normal security, and likely have a rather more loose RoE restricting them. There's an old joke about the difference in reaction to Shadowrunners between normal security and HTR that sums it up well: Normal security/cops: "Stop resisting!" HTR: "Stop existing!"
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Magni posted:Nah, special forces aren't all awakened, but you can expect at least one member of any given team to be. Special forces and HTR teams in general are a pretty clear message that you should GTFO, though. The problem with these nice people isn't just that they're better-equipped or more capable combatants on a personal level. It's that while normal security is focused on defending the premises and reacting to whatever you do, HTR or corp/national SF when called in will take the initiative and have loving you up as their main directive. That means they're going to be a hell of a lot more pro-active and aggressive than normal security, and likely have a rather more loose RoE restricting them. With the exception of Tir Ghosts. Every single one of them is Awakened, at least in the 50s when Dragonfall is set. Later they started cybering up applicants who made the cut but were sans magic as a practical necessity.
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Magni posted:Nah, special forces aren't all awakened, but you can expect at least one member of any given team to be. apostateCourier posted:With the exception of Tir Ghosts. Every single one of them is Awakened, at least in the 50s when Dragonfall is set. Later they started cybering up applicants who made the cut but were sans magic as a practical necessity. Yeah. Fact is that magic just isn't common enough for stuff like that to be practical. One of the fifth edition sourcebooks laid out the magical demographics among meta-humans and it basically works out as such: Out of every ten thousand people, only about one hundred fifty are awakened. Of those one fifty, about one third have enough magical power to actually make a living at it, the rest just having one or two minor tricks. Of the fifty powerful enough to make a living at it, about ten are powerful enough to actually become full Mages who could learn whatever they want to put in the effort for, the rest being limited to one type of magic they have a natural talent for.
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quote:The lines between country and corporation get pretty blurry at times in Shadowrun. I was asking about nationalization because I feel like we've seen the converse with Aztlan. And I used UCAS as an example because you'd need gently caress-off MAD capability to make any effort at nationalizing Corp territory stick.
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Well the UCAS did nationalize the ol' Renraku Archology in Seattle...
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