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For all that everything has the logistical scent of death about it I’m hopeful we’ll still have a good time (though thanks for the heads up about the security time Ineptmule, I was already a bit worried about that so will make sure i get going early). The charitable interpretation of what’s gone wrong is: 1.) they started with a Good Idea - the fixed terrain layouts with a few terrain designs that can be mass produced clearly is one. 2.) they let enthusiasm lead to a bit of scope creep - one of their videos showed that they were originally intending to do resin gloss layer lakes as area terrain, and that’s waaaaay more of a complicated step than is needed to make it work. 3.) they didn’t recognise that scale up was going to make what i assume is a process they’ve used before non-viable - they appear to have been doing this build in the organiser’s back garden, and from the videos it’s soo full of materials that they can barely breath, let alone have the space to properly work on it. This is presumably to avoid the need to hire an off-site warehouse/build location - instead they’ve gone through the whole chain of “material is delivered” to “terrain gets built” to “terrain loaded up for transport to the event” in place. With my project lead hat on, they needed to: 1.) properly identify the MVP to deliver their goal. Their corner ruins look like a good fit to that, their area terrain really doesn’t. Playing around with the area terrain ideas probabky cost them valuable time. 2.) prototype the build process for their MVP to get an idea of how long it takes per table early so they can use that to inform maximum player numbers. 3.) look for risks in the process where a doubling in scale was going to cause problems. In this case, I’m going to guess that the lack of physical space has bitten them hard - I expect that their timelines just about looked good on paper when working in a nice, clear environment, but working in the enormously cluttered space they’ve been in will have slowed everything to a crawl. With the amount of money they’ve taken in they could probably have afforded to hire some space somewhere for a month to store and build in, or even just a storage locker nearby where all the parts that were not needed for the thing they were doing each day could be kept out of the way. All of these things are things they can learn for next year and I hope they do, but it’s probably rubbing people so badly because their social media personas very much read as people who think they’re god’s gift to event management.
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Badablack posted:I’ve always wanted to play primaris space marines ever since I started playing this game a decade ago, and with Deathwatch it looks like my dream could finally come true. If I don’t care about slicing huge chunks out of my thumbs replacing shoulderpads, is there anything in the Dark Imperium starter box Marine side that’s not useable? Even if you throw the Gravis captain in garbage you're still coming out far ahead money-wise
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May 18, 2018 13:20
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Badablack posted:Is there anything in the Dark Imperium starter box Marine side that’s not useable? Gravis Armor Captain -> Terminator Watch Captain Primaris Ancient -> Primaris Watch Captain (a great "sword in the air" model) Primaris Lieutenants -> Primaris Watch Captains If you got creative you could make some of those into Primaris Librarians or Chaplains, or use them to make your Intercessors squads less samesy. I would recommend getting a Guardian Spear so you can make a tall Watch Master.
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May 18, 2018 13:29
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One_Wing posted:For all that everything has the logistical scent of death about it I’m hopeful we’ll still have a good time (though thanks for the heads up about the security time Ineptmule, I was already a bit worried about that so will make sure i get going early). This. Seems they just didn't plan at all. 11 days to do 220 tables of terrain? Even simple division shows thats 22 tables per day, each table has a decent amount of terrain, that's absolutely insane. Like finishing several bits of terrain every hour every day for 2 weeks... We'll see how it goes!
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For anyone unfamiliar with it, transparent resin also differs from normal resin in that it can take a week or longer to fully cure, depending on the size of the object. I recasted all the clear parts of a gundam model (I wanted a lighter color), and even with how thin they were it took quite a while for them to harden. It's...not something you impulse-do a week before a tournament.
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May 18, 2018 13:38
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Lord Twisted posted:London grand tournament. 440 40k weebs, and 80ish glorious strong attractive heresy players and then some blood bowl or some poo poo. In the Olympic stadium. Wait, what? You're seriously telling me that people are willing to pay that kind of money, just for ENTRY and they're not allowed food or water unless they shell out more cash while in there? Gouging people must be a favoured past time over there.
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May 18, 2018 13:52
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Irate Tree posted:Wait, what? You're seriously telling me that people are willing to pay that kind of money, just for ENTRY and they're not allowed food or water unless they shell out more cash while in there? No outside food is pretty standard stuff at tournaments hosted outside game stores though?
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May 18, 2018 14:09
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If you're paying over $100, I'd want to hope that the food is either really loving good or free. Telling people to gently caress off because they got a bottle of drink outside the event would be a really lovely thing.
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May 18, 2018 14:14
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Irate Tree posted:If you're paying over $100, I'd want to hope that the food is either really loving good or free. Telling people to gently caress off because they got a bottle of drink outside the event would be a really lovely thing. It's the Olympic stadium, it's a giant boondoggle which exists solely to gouge people. One_Wing posted:For all that everything has the logistical scent of death about it I’m hopeful we’ll still have a good time (though thanks for the heads up about the security time Ineptmule, I was already a bit worried about that so will make sure i get going early). Yeah it's the last part. Harry's had some right messes at Battlefield Birmingham over the years, but he's a personable guy and easy to chat to so they get forgiven. The LGT guys have set themselves up as being a cut above all that, so they get held to a higher standard.
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Lord Twisted posted:no food or drink allowed except what you buy on site. I'm not irritated at all... That is the most  thing I've heard today.We're infecting y'all with our consumer unfriendly cash grabs.
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Adepticon had the same food and drink rule but no one gave a poo poo about it; just something the venue made them say. It's really up to the venue, and it's not like affordable places for 1000 people are common.
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Corrode posted:It's the Olympic stadium, it's a giant boondoggle which exists solely to gouge people. We are literally playing in a bar at a football stadium, so it is kind of reasonable that the drinks and food is all provided by the on-site catering. As for the logistics, it’s no surprise to me - I know the main guy, Zach, a bit and he’s definitely a ‘confident personality’. It’s only the second year they’ve done it and I’m sure they’ll learn as they go. Insane that it’s ballooned in size so much for the second time round.
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I am also turning my Dark Imperium primaris into Deathwatch at the moment and clipping all those shoulder pads was a pain. After I replaced all the left pads with Deathwatch ones I glued everyone together. Then I opened the 5-man Kill Team box I bought and found out that box has 16 right shoulder chapter sculpted pads. Spent another hour taking the sharp clippers at the primaris boys.
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Eifert Posting posted:That is the most You've got your chicken and egg reversed. At the time of the US revolution against "King George", the UK's economy was basically a libertarian wet dream. The US system was a copy paste job. An argument could be made that love of business ripping people off was behind a lot of the UK agitation against EU rules. See the outrage over English milk "chocolate" being relabeled. Requiring "chocolate" to contain a minimum amount of chocolate is an attack on UK sovereignty. 
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Eifert Posting posted:That is the most They have an Olympic stadium so they’re already familiar with getting hosed needlessly.
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The whole nation is grifted by a family of inbred germans who's only contribution to society is telling everyone how important they are. I post this while my elected president takes his umpteenth weekend vacation to his taxpayer-fortified Florida resort. Grift is the bond that unites both sides of the pond.
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I feel like I could bulk produce a few hundred identical tables, but I'm not running a tournament. They'd all be the same cratered Imperial airstrip using electrical boxes and soup cans, with a stencil to show where the strip was - but that's the kind of thing you can do on a budget with about thirty minutes of actual work per table.
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So it looks like GW is being pretty restrictive about their model policy, with a strict WYSIWYG for their Warhammer World events. For example I asked if my Primaris Lt (the converted Captain with power sword and bolt pistol instead of bolt rifle) would be a viable Watch Master and they said no unless he had a Guardian Spear.
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Two Beans posted:The whole nation is grifted by a family of inbred germans who's only contribution to society is telling everyone how important they are. Which armies would the Hannoverian Usurpers and the Trumps play? Donnie - Custodes, gold, easy.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So it looks like GW is being pretty restrictive about their model policy, with a strict WYSIWYG for their Warhammer World events. For example I asked if my Primaris Lt (the converted Captain with power sword and bolt pistol instead of bolt rifle) would be a viable Watch Master and they said no unless he had a Guardian Spear. That seems completely reasonable. Power swords and bolt pistols are weapons that appear in the deathwatch book, so your opponent would expect those to be what they are, especially since you probably have other power swords and bolt pistols in your army.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So it looks like GW is being pretty restrictive about their model policy, with a strict WYSIWYG for their Warhammer World events. For example I asked if my Primaris Lt (the converted Captain with power sword and bolt pistol instead of bolt rifle) would be a viable Watch Master and they said no unless he had a Guardian Spear. Well yeah, they want you to buy more stuff. My local GW store has tournaments planned, but they have a strict policy, no prizes. I guess that keeps all the try-hards from descending on a small store, but a few bucks credit or a little model would be a nice carrot on the stick.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Which armies would the Hannoverian Usurpers and the Trumps play? Selfless eternal service to another, academia and philosophy and the arts? Yeah no.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Which armies would the Hannoverian Usurpers and the Trumps play? Necromunda Spyrer gangs, each ganger named after themselves with self-insert wish-fulfilment fluff.
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ineptmule posted:We are literally playing in a bar at a football stadium, so it is kind of reasonable that the drinks and food is all provided by the on-site catering. I went to the first one. Was MDF unpainted terrain then... Biggest complaint people had was the bloody terrain. Edit: it's also the third run at this. And there are, within 10 mins drive of the stadium, at least 2 clubs (HATE and Tanelorn) and another within 45 mins drive (LWHGG) who have, between them, at least 40-50 tables worth of pro made painted terrain and mats. That'd be 25% of your terrain off the bat with 0 effort if you decided to not :sperg: standardise it for optimal tournament conditions. Noone was approached for terrain, even when they offered. Edit2: not trying to rant at you imeptmule, I'm just a bit peeved as this has been hyped as the EVENT OF THE YEAR for HH narrative and it might be pushing our beautiful man's around a bowling green of MDF... Again Lord Twisted fucked around with this message at 15:50 on May 18, 2018 |
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Artum posted:Selfless eternal service to another, academia and philosophy and the arts? Yeah no. He'd read the fluff like he reads Intel reports, or the many documents he claims to read daily
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Question for the thread: You have a choice, should there be less mortal wounds in the game or less invulnerable saves? Or maybe less FNPs? Or am I just mad at the smite spamming Hive Fleet Kraken Genestealer player at my local store with 4x4 tables?
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Booley posted:That seems completely reasonable. Power swords and bolt pistols are weapons that appear in the deathwatch book, so your opponent would expect those to be what they are, especially since you probably have other power swords and bolt pistols in your army. I suppose, but a "Guardian Spear" is just a bolter welded to a power sword and they just approved the model as a Primaris Captain even though he doesn't have a bolt rifle. There's also no options available to a Watch Master; he only gets one choice. Hopefully the NOVA guys won't have a problem with it.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Question for the thread: Was it more than 1000 points? If it was sounds like the problem was being too cramped.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Was it more than 1000 points? If it was sounds like the problem was being too cramped. It was 1250, so yeah. Dude loves tourney-style lists with lots of cheap crap. I bring one of everything and try spicy things. But my question about mortal wounds and invulnerable saves is legit. Does anyone with more experience feel like invulns are friggin everywhere?
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The best approach to models at WHW is don't ask, don't tell.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I suppose, but a "Guardian Spear" is just a bolter welded to a power sword and they just approved the model as a Primaris Captain even though he doesn't have a bolt rifle. There's also no options available to a Watch Master; he only gets one choice. Ask WHW if you can use a Custodes as a Minotaur captain and settle it once and for all.
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Corrode posted:The best approach to models at WHW is don't ask, don't tell. I doubt I will be making the trip to London anyway, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.
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TKIY posted:Ask WHW if you can use a Custodes as a Minotaur captain and settle it once and for all. IDGI
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TheBigAristotle posted:It was 1250, so yeah. Dude loves tourney-style lists with lots of cheap crap. I don't have much experience but invulns do appear to be prevalent. It's one of the reasons the standard Marine is so devalued.
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TheBigAristotle posted:It was 1250, so yeah. Dude loves tourney-style lists with lots of cheap crap. Were you playing with the new rule that subtracts 1 to the Smite roll for each roll after the first? Frankly unless you can't add Psyker defense, you probably should plan for it in an all-comers list. Tyranids can be a bit tricky, since if your defense model(s) are within 12" of a Synapse model they're -1 to their roll to counter and can get around this slightly with a cast of Psychic Scream. That said, there are a number of other armies that can get off multiple casts. Mortal Wounds can be devastating against elite armies, but that's one of the major risks you take. I feel GW has done a decent job of actually balancing them out for the most part. I do feel Invulnerable saves are much more prevalent in this edition but from what I've seen it's intentionally to balance the fact that normal armor gets stripped off so easily and models that used to get a 3+ against autocannons, etc. are now at a significant disadvantage without them.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I suppose, but a "Guardian Spear" is just a bolter welded to a power sword and they just approved the model as a Primaris Captain even though he doesn't have a bolt rifle. There's also no options available to a Watch Master; he only gets one choice. Uhh, a guardian spear is +1s -3AP dD3 in melee and RF1, s4 ap-1 d2. Those are not statlines that match either bolters, power swords, or bolt rifles (I guess it matches a master crafter boltgun). So statlines don't match, and they're both weapons that would be found elsewhere in the book. Their interest is in keeping your opponents from getting confused, and the defining characteristic of a watchmaster is that they have a guardian spear. It's just pushing too far to say "this model with a bolt pistol and power sword is a watch master with a guardian spear, but all these other models with bolt pistols and power swords are wysiwig."
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So these arent mine, but I figured I would share for people who run Khorne. Apparently the Reiver Kit combined with some AOS Khorne bits makes some really nice looking Berzerkers. 
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