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habeasdorkus posted:I was asking about nationalization because I feel like we've seen the converse with Aztlan. And I used UCAS as an example because you'd need gently caress-off MAD capability to make any effort at nationalizing Corp territory stick. UCAS does still have a giant nuclear arsenal, maybe if the neo-CSA remerged they'd have enough nationalist sentiment to slide right through.
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That was the whole point of the Arcology - a crazy, ai run dungeon crawl right in the middle of Seattle.
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Stroth posted:Yeah. Fact is that magic just isn't common enough for stuff like that to be practical. One of the fifth edition sourcebooks laid out the magical demographics among meta-humans and it basically works out as such: Out of every ten thousand people, only about one hundred fifty are awakened. Of those one fifty, about one third have enough magical power to actually make a living at it, the rest just having one or two minor tricks. Of the fifty powerful enough to make a living at it, about ten are powerful enough to actually become full Mages who could learn whatever they want to put in the effort for, the rest being limited to one type of magic they have a natural talent for. So the fact that our motley crew in Berlin has three Awakened members is pretty crazy, statistically speaking.
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May 18, 2018 18:03
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Fighting Trousers posted:So the fact that our motley crew in Berlin has three Awakened members is pretty crazy, statistically speaking. Not as much as you would think, insofar as Shadowrunning is the sort of profession that self-selects for that level of awakened power, to a certain degree.
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Sim City 2000 have an Arcology that is basically the Renraku one? I think it was like the Darco or something?
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Fighting Trousers posted:So the fact that our motley crew in Berlin has three Awakened members is pretty crazy, statistically speaking. It's very rare to find a full Mage who isn't in either corporate security, criminal security, or shadowrunning due to the sheer lethality their powers are capable of. Mages with connections can, and almost certainly will, make a very good living at it. But for those few that don't have the criminal connections to become some boss's bodyguard/enforcer, or a corporate SIN which means they'll get tested in childhood and moved to a specialized education track to prep them for their future job as part of a HTR team, they're probably going to end up as Shadowrunners. Stroth fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 18, 2018 |
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Colander Crotch posted:Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Sim City 2000 have an Arcology that is basically the Renraku one? I think it was like the Darco or something? 
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May 18, 2018 18:27
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The Renraku Arcology was a pyramid, unfortunately.
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May 18, 2018 18:31
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wiegieman posted:The Renraku Arcology was a pyramid, unfortunately. This then?
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May 18, 2018 18:36
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Colander Crotch posted:This then? That's pretty close.
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For reference, the Renraku arcology/SCIRE: 
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May 18, 2018 19:08
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Poil posted:Now that you mention it: Make sure to point a railgun from orbit on that eldritch abnomination 24/7.
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Magni posted:For reference, the Renraku arcology/SCIRE: 
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OutofSight posted:Make sure to point a railgun from orbit on that eldritch abnomination 24/7. That thing is gonna wake up and fight Godzilla any day now
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So what did happen to the actual Renraku archaeology after the AI debacle was dealt with? I think I remember reading something where people would do unlicensed tours, and teams would go in occasionally to snoop around and see if there was anything left to steal? I bet the Astral there is hosed UP
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RedMagus posted:So what did happen to the actual Renraku archaeology after the AI debacle was dealt with? I think I remember reading something where people would do unlicensed tours, and teams would go in occasionally to snoop around and see if there was anything left to steal? It's been turned into public housing. Seriously. The mall is open and over 100,000 people live there. The top floors and fusion plants are still guarded by UCAS military, though.
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RedMagus posted:So what did happen to the actual Renraku archaeology after the AI debacle was dealt with? I think I remember reading something where people would do unlicensed tours, and teams would go in occasionally to snoop around and see if there was anything left to steal? The UCAS government turned over the cleared sections to the Seattle metroplex. They rebranded it the ACHE (Arcology Contained Housing Enclave, I think), and used it to warehouse low income homeless folks (probably SINers) with no other alternatives and don't want to try their hand at squatting. In case the name hadn't clued you in, housing conditions there are pretty bad, but you still get some measure of security, bland rear end soy paste as food, and power and water on the regular. Clothes too, but only "flats" which are literally made out of cardboard and stamped out to be sold in vending machines. And yes, there are still Metroplex Guard forces trying to guard against entry into the more dangerous sections and just in case something dangerous tries to get out, but they can't cover every entrance, so every so often, a denizen of the ACHE, with or without shadow runner backup, will plumb the depths, looking for something valuable to bring back and barter with to the outside world. Runner teams hired to find stuff in the dangerous sections of the Arcology often hire an ACHE kid who's explored it once or twice and returned as a guide, so they don't immediately get horribly murdered by whatever experiments Deus had running there a decade ago. GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jun 3, 2018 |
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The game's acronyms are a little too cute for their own good. "SIN" with "SINners" and "SINless" and now "ACHE."
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GunnerJ posted:The game's acronyms are a little too cute for their own good. The other acronym that sticks out to me is BAD, for Bioengineered Awakened Drug, which was a big thing in 4th Ed, especially regarding Tempo. There's also GOD, for the Grid Overwatch Division, the part of the Corp Court responsible for policing the Matrix (and halfway decent at it, as of 5th). The Business Recognition Accords, which ensure extraterritoriality to AAs and above, are often shortened to BRA, but that's just funny instead of on the nose. GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 18, 2018 |
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Which is another fun trick the HTRTs like to pull. "Hello, GOD? Our client wants this particular bit of the Matrix to mysteriously go haywire at the time we specify. Yes, this is calling in a favor. Pleasure doing business."
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GhostStalker posted:The other acronym that sticks out to me is BAD, for Bioengineered Awakened Drug, which was a big thing in 4th Ed, especially regarding Tempo. The Grid Overwatch Division at least sounds like an association the people who named it wanted. It feels intentionally overly on the nose, unlike some of the others.
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GunnerJ posted:The game's acronyms are a little too cute for their own good. In Canada we have Social Insurance Numbers. We also once had two political parties merge into the Conservative Reform Alliance Party, before they realized their mistake.
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Subjunctive posted:In Canada we have Social Insurance Numbers. As a born (but not raised, mostly) Canadian, the potential for mirth here is endless: Guy walks into a hospital Receptionist: Can I help you? Guy: I'm having chest pains. Receptionist: What's your SIN? Guy: Too many cheeseburgers, apparently.
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JustJeff88 posted:As a born (but not raised, mostly) Canadian, the potential for mirth here is endless: You don’t need a SIN to get medical care!  
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If your player characters reach the point where they feel comfortable taking on High Threat Response, then it's probably time to start setting up your big campaign ending blow out run, or at least transition them to a setting where they need to relearn their specialties or learn new ones. Like a rural area/the ocean/space/ the metaplanes.
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I imagine that sending your players to space does spice it up a bit. There's the general difficulty since you expect an Ares space station not to be guarded by rent-a-cops, but it's probably also ill-advised to use grenades or full-auto or what have you. And the decker who's got a 1 in agility, body and strength might suddenly find it very difficult to just get where they need to be if there's some zero-g sections.
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And your spell-slingers should just stay home. There is no mana in space, and trying to use magic does to your soul what hard vacuum does to your body. Ares has a space station where they've managed to generate a simple manasphere, just enough for their elite mages to operate. They use this station to conduct expeditions into the home plane of the bug spirits. If the bugs manage to follow them back, it's a simple matter to snuff out all the life and magic onboard.
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For those who want a bit of fluff recommending and don't mind having to track it down, the bit in the Shadowrun: Attitude splatbook that starts on page 12 is probably my favourite bit of background stuff anywhere. It's an introduction on how to become a Shadowrunner and the twist that I wont spoil also makes it a brilliant intro to the world as well.
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I think I know the answer to this, but are any of the Shadowrun novels worth reading on their own merits? I picked up a couple on cheap for the kindle (Fire and Frost and Never Deal With a Dragon) and they were just dire - all plodding exposition and clumsy fanservice. I'm not asking for high literature, just some cool shadowun adventures that don't take themselves too seriously. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 19, 2018 |
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King Doom posted:For those who want a bit of fluff recommending and don't mind having to track it down, the bit in the Shadowrun: Attitude splatbook that starts on page 12 is probably my favourite bit of background stuff anywhere. It's an introduction on how to become a Shadowrunner and the twist that I wont spoil also makes it a brilliant intro to the world as well. Seconding the recommendation. The conceit of the Shadowrun books is that they take the form of posts on Jackpoint, an invite-only forum for Shadowrunners, with previous editions using Shadowland, which was open to the public. So interspersing the 'Shadowrunning for beginners' effortposts in Attitude (and all the other splatbooks) are snipes, nitpicks and arguments from the forum regulars who have been there, done that. It's great for fleshing out the world.
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communism bitch posted:I think I know the answer to this, but are any of the Shadowrun novels worth reading on their own merits? I picked up a couple on cheap for the kindle (Fire and Frost and Never Deal With a Dragon) and they were just dire - all plodding exposition and clumsy fanservice. I've suggested it before, but go read IcePisherman's Blake Island CYOA Here. It's something like 500k words in the shadowrun universe, focus on both on the life of corporate types and of one of those ACHE delves mentioned earlier.
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communism bitch posted:I think I know the answer to this, but are any of the Shadowrun novels worth reading on their own merits? I picked up a couple on cheap for the kindle (Fire and Frost and Never Deal With a Dragon) and they were just dire - all plodding exposition and clumsy fanservice.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:I've suggested it before, but go read IcePisherman's Blake Island CYOA Here. It's something like 500k words in the shadowrun universe, focus on both on the life of corporate types and of one of those ACHE delves mentioned earlier. I'm reading it now, it's quite good.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:I've suggested it before, but go read IcePisherman's Blake Island CYOA Here. It's something like 500k words in the shadowrun universe, focus on both on the life of corporate types and of one of those ACHE delves mentioned earlier. I will never stop recommending this enough, really. Magic orphans living off Dunklezahn's scholarship program (just my headcanon so far but it makes sense in the story). One is a pseudo-ork with a big nogway, one is a prodigy, and one turns out to be a Real Good Boy.
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So... How feasible is ghost in the Shell in this universe?
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Siegkrow posted:So... Gonna need to be a little more specific there, GitS covers a pretty broad spectrum. Which particular concept were you referring to?
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Siegkrow posted:So... Not at all since having too much of your body replaced with chrome makes you go insane.
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There are edge cases for that rule, though getting too much into detail would be spoilers for the next game.
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You can get a cybernetic torso, two cybernetic arms, two cybernetic legs and a cybernetic skull for a base cost of 6.25 essence, which would leave you at negative .25 essence and therefore brick your character, but getting all Alphaware (the next step up from off-the-rack) for twice the price drops that down to 5 essence, or you could take Biocompatibility (Cyberware) and be left with a functioning character using generic cyberlimbs. It's expensive but possible to create a character with all of that at the default level, and it means you can use your physical attributes as dump stats because your cyberlimbs' attributes would be used instead.
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communism bitch posted:I think I know the answer to this, but are any of the Shadowrun novels worth reading on their own merits? I picked up a couple on cheap for the kindle (Fire and Frost and Never Deal With a Dragon) and they were just dire - all plodding exposition and clumsy fanservice. 2XS by Nigel Findley
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