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Helicity posted:how do i convince people kotlin is better than groovy? im willing to use forbidden arts are there real life groovy likers??
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May 19, 2018 15:03
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get then intellij and then say it’s the same people who made it
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May 19, 2018 15:09
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didn't we used to have rules against poorchat
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May 19, 2018 15:13
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Ploft-shell crab posted:are there real life groovy likers?? 
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May 19, 2018 15:44
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Ploft-shell crab posted:are there real life groovy likers?? too many.. usually in whatever markets had a large ruby on rails community
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May 19, 2018 16:14
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"this code base is buggy and unreadable - we need more discipline in our PRs" -developer who will only work in groovy, and thinks linting, static compilation, and strong typing are the tools of the devil
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May 19, 2018 16:30
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groovy does an amazing job of combining all the worst parts of ruby and java into one language. it's like an art project that people confused for a serious language
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May 19, 2018 16:33
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Ploft-shell crab posted:are there real life groovy likers?? i suspect the main reasons to use groovy were that it had a repl and local type inference. now java 9 includes the former and java 10 will bring the latter hopefully the groovy scourge will wither and die
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May 19, 2018 16:53
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Ploft-shell crab posted:are there real life groovy likers??
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May 19, 2018 17:07
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Helicity posted:how do i convince people kotlin is better than groovy? im willing to use forbidden arts it's not, so don't bother
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May 19, 2018 17:17
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Gazpacho posted:sup this explains a lot
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May 19, 2018 17:18
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you just can't get your head around the idea that a system is a product of its programmers, not its tools (language)
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May 19, 2018 17:27
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java 9 has a repl? never heard that. how the heck do I use it?
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May 19, 2018 17:32
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's not, so don't bother spicy take considering how garbage groovy is, do you care enough to do a small effort post? im already liking maven more after coming across my first 60 line task inside a gradle build file that "helps" build helm configs - so im open to your other crazy ideas. On a side note, Java 9 REPL stuff: http://www.baeldung.com/java-9-repl
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May 19, 2018 17:35
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Gazpacho posted:you just can't get your head around the idea that a system is a product of its programmers, not its tools (language) a really good bicyclist can do a 100 mile ride on a huffy mountain bike, it doesnt mean they should use that instead of a bike that makes their job easier, is less prone to failure, and more fun to ride
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May 19, 2018 17:42
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also java 10 is actually out although you could be forgiven for not noticing since it happened with very little fanfare
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May 19, 2018 17:47
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Samsungs SmartThings home automation product does allows users to do more advanced automation scenarios all via groovy. There's a ton of stuff out there written to handle all sorts of odd ball devices and scenarios. It will never die.
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May 19, 2018 18:12
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my experience with groovy with going to the groovy website and finding that half of the links were broken. also after using groovy for 10 minutes it was plainly obvious that it was terrible. now we have some jenkinsfiles written in it which i hate but whatever. it is at least better than bash.
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May 19, 2018 18:20
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i feel like the language's creator publicly disowning it is a pretty big red flag
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May 19, 2018 18:53
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Sapozhnik posted:i feel like the language's creator publicly disowning it is a pretty big red flag yeah, honestly kudos to him
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May 19, 2018 18:59
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Helicity posted:how do i convince people kotlin is better than groovy? 
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May 19, 2018 19:07
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thats a little more forbidden artsy than i was prepared for
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May 19, 2018 20:01
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Ploft-shell crab posted:are there real life groovy likers??
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May 19, 2018 20:25
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groovy on grails
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May 19, 2018 20:50
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Malcolm XML posted:groovy on grails i thought this was a joke when someone first said it to me. ugh
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May 19, 2018 21:40
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where’s the kotlin on kubernetes am I doing this right
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May 19, 2018 23:15
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Helicity posted:60 line task inside a gradle build file that "helps" build helm configs - so im open to your other crazy ideas.
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May 19, 2018 23:19
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Suspicious Dish posted:only idiots buy their macs new and not used for 1/3 the price Only idiots don't just get their macs from work.
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May 19, 2018 23:27
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only idiots use macs at all
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May 20, 2018 00:47
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Blotto Skorzany posted:only idiots use macs at all lol i aint' goin back to a thinkpad bub
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May 20, 2018 01:43
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Beamed posted:i thought this was a joke when someone first said it to me. ugh I went to a NFJS conference back in like the early 2000's when groovy and grails were a Big Deal saw a intro-to-grails presentation by a well-respected dude who had written at least two books on grails and he spent the entire goddamn 90 minutes trying to figure out why his incredibly simple grails app demo wasn't working. and that was the last time i considered using grails for anything.
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May 20, 2018 08:12
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groovy on grails was one of the many rails knockoff projects that completely misunderstood what was good about rails. it was sort of baffling how early rails marketing was entirely focused on how it made it so that you could bang out a functional demo app in just a few minutes and then have clear guidance on how to grow that into a real application, and yet a bunch of people came to the conclusion that actually what made rails good was all the impossible to debug magic and so they decided to replicate that and not the great getting-started experience.
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May 20, 2018 09:18
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which is crazy because Rails was just somebody stumbling upon what made WebObjects great and recreating it without important features (by creating “scaffolding” for a developer to modify instead of just driving the app from a set of extensible rules)
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May 20, 2018 09:40
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webobjects being proprietary and expensive set serverwide webdev back a decade or more. imagine a world in which you could use webobjects on lovely shared hosting rather than php4
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May 20, 2018 10:07
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Plorkyeran posted:webobjects being proprietary and expensive set serverwide webdev back a decade or more. imagine a world in which you could use webobjects on lovely shared hosting rather than php4 i remember when apple dropped the price of webobjects from the insane $10k/server or w/e it was to like $99/server and it was like "you stupid fucks goddamnit why didn't you do this years ago" so consultants used PowerBuilder to build lovely CRUD apps instead, and I am 100% sure none of them still exist because ugh.
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May 20, 2018 12:58
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Plorkyeran posted:webobjects being proprietary and expensive set serverwide webdev back a decade or more. imagine a world in which you could use webobjects on lovely shared hosting rather than php4
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May 20, 2018 16:37
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eschaton posted:which is crazy because Rails was just somebody stumbling upon what made WebObjects great and recreating it without important features (by creating “scaffolding” for a developer to modify instead of just driving the app from a set of extensible rules) i never thought i'd see someone defending WebObjects but here we are
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May 20, 2018 18:22
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webobjects was ahead of its time
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May 20, 2018 18:34
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doesnt eschaton literally work at apple i imagine you gotta drink the kool-aid to work there
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bob dobbs is dead posted:doesnt eschaton literally work at apple yeah i think he said he’s on xcode team
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