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You would connect Subwoofer 1 on the receiver to low level input R/Mono on the sub. The other connections are for flexibility when hooking up to systems without a dedicated subwoofer output. Yes, that sub has a built in amp. They're called "active" speakers and nearly all decent subs are active. only the lowest end crap and the highest end boutique or custom built subwoofers aren't. Yes, I realize the irony there.
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Thanks for that explanation. Am I right then in assuming that this cable will work with just about any reasonably priced sub out there: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Subwoofer-Cable-15-Feet/dp/B01D5H8GYG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1526207893&sr=8-4&keywords=subwoofer+cable and I won't need something like this:  https://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-ULTRA-RCA-Y-Adapter-Feet/dp/B00KCQSW3E/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1526207893&sr=8-7&keywords=subwoofer+cable
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May 13, 2018 11:39
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Yeah that'll work perfectly, don't fall for the cable game.
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May 13, 2018 12:00
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Great. Now, from my understanding the placement of a subwoofer is less important than that of the speakers. Due to space constraints, my plan is to place it near one of the rear speakers, can I do that no problem?
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May 13, 2018 12:04
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Incessant Excess posted:Great. Now, from my understanding the placement of a subwoofer is less important than that of the speakers. Due to space constraints, my plan is to place it near one of the rear speakers, can I do that no problem? That depends completely on your room. Low frequency sound waves are long, and bounce around a lot, which leads to interference nulls and peaks, which in bad cases can cause there to be almost no bass in one spot, and then ALL THE BASS in a spot just half a meter away. So don't be afraid to experiment with subwoofer placement. Sometimes a non-obvious location turns out to be the best one. You can do the "subwoofer crawl", if you're feeling adventurous. Hook up the subwoofer and put in in your normal listening position. Yes, in your chair/sofa. The play some music with decent bass and crawl around the floorboards. You'll find one or more locations where the bass sounds best. Conversely, if you put the subwoofer in one of those spots, it will sound good from your normal listening position.
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May 13, 2018 12:20
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Is there any good <$50 amps out there that just hookup to 2 speakers and do bluetooth or am I better off just looking for a cheap old at a thrift store and buying the $50 Logitech bluetooth thing that hooks up via RCA cables? My dad gave me a set of 2 old speakers and I want to set them up in the garage.
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May 14, 2018 15:26
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The t-amps like SMSL and Topping work but they're not hugely powerful.
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May 14, 2018 15:31
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I don't know if there's a single unit, but there's plenty of T amps for $25-30 you could plug a Bluetooth aux adapter into.
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May 14, 2018 15:32
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KozmoNaut posted:That depends completely on your room. emptyquoting this. Regular speakers are 'point the tweeters at your ears' difficulty in terms of setup. Subs are the other end of the scale, where you want to put them is likely a lovely place for them due to aforementioned physics issues. One place I lived in the ideal spot for the sub was in the next room. Obviously that's a no-go so I found another spot that was almost as good behind the couch in a bay window. Physics is weird.
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I'm having dialogue problems with my current 5.1 setup. I recently got a new Yamaha RX-V383. It's paired with the Yamaha NS-P20 speaker package, and the Yamaha NS-SW100 sub. Everything sounds great, except when I'm watching a film or something with 5.1 audio that puts dialogue through the centre channel. Basically, dialogue ends up sounding pretty muffled and hard to make out during louder scenes. Before upgrading to the RX-V383, I had an older Yamaha YHT-196 receiver and the exact same speakers (but with an older passive sub), and everything sounded quite clear through that setup. I tried using the receiver's built-in auto speaker tuning function that uses a microphone that you place in the listening position, but that only made things worse than having all the individual speaker volume offsets set at 0.00db (in the receiver settings). I've also tried using the dialogue boost function, and that helps a little, but not entirely. What else can I try to get the clear dialogue back that I used to enjoy? Edit: The sub crossover is set to 110hz and seems to be fine there, speaker wire was also double checked. Gunder fucked around with this message at 20:27 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 19:54
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There's the possibility that the tweeter on the centre speaker is hosed but that would be fairly obvious... try swapping the centre out for one of the other speakers and running the auto eq again to see what happens.
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May 15, 2018 20:46
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Gunder posted:I'm having dialogue problems with my current 5.1 setup. I recently got a new Yamaha RX-V383. It's paired with the Yamaha NS-P20 speaker package, and the Yamaha NS-SW100 sub. Everything sounds great, except when I'm watching a film or something with 5.1 audio that puts dialogue through the centre channel. Basically, dialogue ends up sounding pretty muffled and hard to make out during louder scenes. Before upgrading to the RX-V383, I had an older Yamaha YHT-196 receiver and the exact same speakers (but with an older passive sub), and everything sounded quite clear through that setup. My RX-V673, I had to put the dialogue boost at +3 (max), and boosted the center channel by +3.5 db to get it where I wanted it.
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May 15, 2018 20:58
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Gunder posted:I'm having dialogue problems with my current 5.1 setup. Double check that your source actually sends out 5.1 signal. This sounds like source sends out stereo which is then split for 5.1 speakers, resulting in inaudible speech.
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May 15, 2018 21:06
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Hob_Gadling posted:Double check that your source actually sends out 5.1 signal. This sounds like source sends out stereo which is then split for 5.1 speakers, resulting in inaudible speech. Not the guy asking but isn't that what receivers are for? I thought their purpose was to make whatever the source is sound the best for whatever the speaker setup is.
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May 15, 2018 21:11
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The Denon AVRX1400H is on sale for $300 at Best Buy. I'm also an employee so I can get the 2400 for $468. Is there any reason to get the 2400 if I think the 1400's six HDMI ports are enough for my devices?
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May 15, 2018 21:37
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Incessant Excess posted:Not the guy asking but isn't that what receivers are for? I thought their purpose was to make whatever the source is sound the best for whatever the speaker setup is. Receivers take the incoming signal and massage it based on a number of things, including user preferences. If user settings show that this incoming stereo signal should be split to 5.1 channels, what's the receiver supposed to do? For music splitting a stereo signal works usually just fine. For movies, often the dialogue is a problem. Typically "can't hear speech" is most easily fixed by checking that receiver passes the same number of channels out as it gets in.
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May 15, 2018 22:06
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KingKapalone posted:The Denon AVRX1400H is on sale for $300 at Best Buy. I'm also an employee so I can get the 2400 for $468. Is there any reason to get the 2400 if I think the 1400's six HDMI ports are enough for my devices? It looks like the main difference besides the inputs is the amp is a little beefier on the 2400 and it has dual HDMI outputs. These probably aren't super relevant unless you have super inefficient speakers and/or a projector and TV. $300 is a pretty good price on the 1400, same as a refurb on AC4L.
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May 15, 2018 22:17
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Hob_Gadling posted:Double check that your source actually sends out 5.1 signal. This sounds like source sends out stereo which is then split for 5.1 speakers, resulting in inaudible speech. The receiver is set to spit out whatever the source is in. So, TV stuff is all stereo, and apple tv films are 5.1 etc. I managed to make it mostly better by jacking the volume on the centre up to +5db and setting dialogue boost to max. I take it that for more clarity I'd need a better quality centre? The one I have came with the rest of my speakers (and old receiver) in a £180 bundle.
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May 15, 2018 22:31
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There's only so much you can ask of 7cm woofers.
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qirex posted:It looks like the main difference besides the inputs is the amp is a little beefier on the 2400 and it has dual HDMI outputs. These probably aren't super relevant unless you have super inefficient speakers and/or a projector and TV. $300 is a pretty good price on the 1400, same as a refurb on AC4L. Should I worry about being future proof for Atmos ceiling speakers? Looks like you have to jump all the way to the 4400 which is so much more. The 1400 supports Atmos, but does an Atmos track offer much if you don't have the additional speakers?
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May 15, 2018 22:57
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KingKapalone posted:Should I worry about being future proof for Atmos ceiling speakers? Looks like you have to jump all the way to the 4400 which is so much more. The 1400 supports Atmos, but does an Atmos track offer much if you don't have the additional speakers? There's no difference if you don't have the presence [ceiling/bounce] speakers. Atmos IMO is mostly for people who already have a good system but are bored and get upgradeitis. Even in actual movie theaters the effect is subtle. Build a decent 5.1 system first.
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May 15, 2018 23:08
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qirex posted:There's only so much you can ask of 7cm woofers. I was thinking of getting this bundle to upgrade my centre channel and fronts in one go. I realise those speakers are meant to be rears, but I am hoping I could just repurpose those as my new fronts? Would that centre overpower them totally?
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Weird that the centre on your existing setup has roughly the same sensitivity as the other speakers in the set and yet is noticeably shittier, centre channels usually dominate in terms of loudness (which is partially why I hate the things). Seeing as the fronts are 1db more sensitive, swap one for the centre to check, you might have a duff speaker.
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May 16, 2018 10:34
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The color of the speaker cable exists only so I can keep track of which connector on the receiver/speaker I need to connect it to, right? Like, it doesn't matter if I connect the red cable to black connector on the receiver as long as I then also connect it to the black connector on the speaker as well.
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May 16, 2018 11:12
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Incessant Excess posted:The color of the speaker cable exists only so I can keep track of which connector on the receiver/speaker I need to connect it to, right? Like, it doesn't matter if I connect the red cable to black connector on the receiver as long as I then also connect it to the black connector on the speaker as well. As long as you're consistent on both the speaker and receiver ends, no problem. Actually, you can connect red on the receiver to black on the speakers and vice versa no problem, as long as you do it the same on all the speakers. If you mix it up, you'll create weird sound issues. A large number of classic JBL speakers were actually wired in "reverse". On most speakers, a positive signal on the red terminal makes the speaker cone move outwards. On the JBL speakers, it's the other way around, so a positive signal on the red terminal makes the cone move in. It doesn't affect sound quality to any noticable degree, as long as you're aware of it in multi-speaker setups.
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KozmoNaut posted:As long as you're consistent on both the speaker and receiver ends, no problem. Thank you, obviously I'm very new to this so the advice from this thread is much appreciated.
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May 16, 2018 11:58
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The wire is completely identical, it's only a color on the jacket to help you keep track of the connections, yes :-)
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Weird that the centre on your existing setup has roughly the same sensitivity as the other speakers in the set and yet is noticeably shittier, centre channels usually dominate in terms of loudness (which is partially why I hate the things). Seeing as the fronts are 1db more sensitive, swap one for the centre to check, you might have a duff speaker. I just tried doing this. No real difference.
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Gunder posted:I was thinking of getting this bundle to upgrade my centre channel and fronts in one go. I realise those speakers are meant to be rears, but I am hoping I could just repurpose those as my new fronts? Would that centre overpower them totally? I consider around 5"/120mm woofers to be the minimum for what one should consider a "full range" speaker [with a sub], I mean those might sound better than what you have but that's still a really small driver and very cheap cabinets. I don't really know where the best places to get cheap decent stuff in the UK is so I can't give you much more guidance. Honestly I think you're wasting money trying to get a deal at these crazy low price points and around 50 pounds per speaker is probably a lot closer to what will get you good results. e: Q Acoustics just upgraded the 3000 line so there's good deals on the outgoing models https://www.richersounds.com/q-acoustics-q3010-matte-graphite.html https://www.richersounds.com/q-acoustics-q3020-matte-graphite.html?nosto=productpage-nosto-1 https://www.richersounds.com/tv-home-cinema/centre-speakers/q-acoustics-q3090c-matte-graphite.html qirex fucked around with this message at 16:05 on May 16, 2018 |
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qirex posted:There's no difference if you don't have the presence [ceiling/bounce] speakers. Atmos IMO is mostly for people who already have a good system but are bored and get upgradeitis. Even in actual movie theaters the effect is subtle. Build a decent 5.1 system first. Thanks. Ordered the 1400.
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qirex posted:I consider around 5"/120mm woofers to be the minimum for what one should consider a "full range" speaker [with a sub], I mean those might sound better than what you have but that's still a really small driver and very cheap cabinets. I don't really know where the best places to get cheap decent stuff in the UK is so I can't give you much more guidance. Honestly I think you're wasting money trying to get a deal at these crazy low price points and around 50 pounds per speaker is probably a lot closer to what will get you good results. Thanks for this. Gonna give the Q Acoustic 3020 + the 3090c a go! I figure they'll be a good bit better than what I have.
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Gunder posted:Thanks for this. Gonna give the Q Acoustic 3020 + the 3090c a go! I figure they'll be a good bit better than what I have. Let me know how they sound. Hopefully I didn't just send you down a horrible slippery slope of upgrades.
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I hope you did.
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To be honest, there's not much left to upgrade. I just bought a new 4k tv and that receiver to go with it. The speakers were the last thing that was lacking.
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The 3020s arrived today (centre coming next week) so I hooked them up for some 2.1 music listening along with my sub and was pretty blown away. They sound way better than my old speakers. Night and day.
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May 18, 2018 16:02
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KingKapalone posted:Should I worry about being future proof for Atmos ceiling speakers? Looks like you have to jump all the way to the 4400 which is so much more. The 1400 supports Atmos, but does an Atmos track offer much if you don't have the additional speakers? I have the 1400H and a 5.1.2 Atmos setup (bounce speakers in the front). I'd say it entirely depends on the source. Most stuff these days isn't encoded in Atmos, and the majority of stuff I've seen that is is very subtle. Although it's interesting to see sound engineers use it in different ways. Mad Max Fury Road has a sorta vertical wall of sound in the front, making it sound like your front speakers are twice as tall as they really are. 10 Cloverfield Lane seems to use it in one key moment of the film and that's it. And it's really loving cool in video games, but support on that end is even rarer than in films. One thing I don't see mentioned a lot is that receivers can upmix 5.1 and 7.1 to Atmos. In my experience it only seems to work on certain types of sounds that you'd expect to hear coming from overhead, like helicopters or birds tweeting, but it's pretty cool.
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In setting up this new Denon 1400, my TV should be using the ARC HDMI port to connect to it so I can keep getting surround sound from my 4k apps, right?
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May 19, 2018 15:48
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I can get a local deal on a subwoofer but, with it not being a well known brand, I can't find any reviews or impressions online. Does this spec sheet tell anyone here anything by chance? Regular price is 250 and the sale price is 200.
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May 20, 2018 07:19
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Get a used SVS instead of that thing, it looks like a pile of poo poo.
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It's way too small and light to do anything. Most bookshelf speakers reach 65Hz or below on their own.
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