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willie_dee posted:Why would you want to see trained guys vs amateurs? They would be too one sided. Eric Paulson pitched a show once where he took two people who had no experience what so ever, train them for a month or so and put them in a match. That would be a more entertaining idea.
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Defenestrategy posted:Eric Paulson pitched a show once where he took two people who had no experience what so ever, train them for a month or so and put them in a match. That would be a more entertaining idea. I would love this. Especially if you had two people with legitimate beef.
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May 18, 2018 19:31
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willie_dee posted:Why would you want to see trained guys vs amateurs? They would be too one sided. because watching pretend tough guys get thoroughly humbled is quality entertainment. i developed a crippling sexual fetish for it after being owned once by a post early in my forums career
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JJJ chat: I started BJJ around the same time as a dude who's a 2nd dan black belt in JJJ, and he's a very legit grappler. He was competitive with experienced purple belts out of the gate and actually just won a F2W Pro match not too long ago. Hilariously, our coach promoted him to purple right before his match (F2W only allows purple and up) and then demoted him back to blue immediately afterward. He'll also be the first person to tell you that JJJ has some serious quality control issues, so take that as you will.
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willie_dee posted:Why would you want to see trained guys vs amateurs? They would be too one sided. Amateur means trained; hth.
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I've been thinking more about the WC range issue. In a street fight, I could see a lot of value in throwing open finger strikes to the face, trying to get an eye. It doesn't have to have much power, but most of the other jab mechanics carry right over. Having your fingers and palm speared out gets you another 4-5" of reach, too. Favoring speed over speed+power means that you could throw arm punches at range instead of sitting more. And these arm punches could conceivably be more easily parried by arms from the head-up, torso on centerline WC stance. Basically a more formalized slapboxing style. I don't know that it's meaningful to stay at that range for long in a fight. A lot of WC choreography goes into super long chess-like if-this-then-that response chains. And by long, I mean even 3 or 4 back and forths. Anything more complex than the pummeling from wrestling drills. The most value I could see from training WC is parrying a straight punch and stepping/pivoting to the outside, which opens up their head and body to you, or you can stay close and go for an arm drag or back take. Super advanced intercepts would be like that elbow Weidman landed on Mark Munoz, where you land a harder weapon at closer range because you know your opponent is moving in. But even there, Weidman still plans for a counter (or attack, really) by moving his head offline. https://i.imgur.com/hSnmL7k.mp4
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Yeah but why not box and watch James toney videos every day for similar effect.
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kimbo305 posted:I've been thinking more about the WC range issue. In a street fight, I could see a lot of value in throwing open finger strikes to the face, trying to get an eye. It doesn't have to have much power, but most of the other jab mechanics carry right over. Having your fingers and palm speared out gets you another 4-5" of reach, too. The footwork and hip rotation that creates the power on that elbow is also only possible because of Weidman's boxing/kickboxing/MMA stance. And he's able to time and land it because he was able establish range with conventional strikes.
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Ancient martial arts whose techniques have been refined through practical application and passed down for hundreds of years do exist -- muay thai, folk wrestling styles like sumo, boxing, fencing, etc. Kung fu, not so much.
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kimbo305 posted:The most value I could see from training WC is parrying a straight punch and stepping/pivoting to the outside, which opens up their head and body to you, or you can stay close and go for an arm drag or back take. This is a pretty good write-up of how I mostly use WC. I'm primarily a knife fighter, so I'm not big on power punches. I need to get my hand out fast, and I need to make sure the other guy doesn't get their hand out very far. Most of my training is aimed toward taking the outside so I can stop the trap the elbow to prevent a slice. WC is the best art I've seen for that. And if you do it enough with a knife, you get good at doing it empty handed. I wouldn't recommend someone learn WC if they want to fight in a cage; but it works pretty well for what I want it to be. It's just hard to learn because most of the people who actually know it well also teach it in an impractical, traditional way that just doesn't take the outside world into account. The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 21:47 on May 18, 2018 |
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I typically think of HEMA as a bunch of fat LARP'ers with expensive swords, but I guess poo poo gets real sometimes not actually HEMA, muay thai: https://i.imgur.com/r5vol49.gifv
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Xguard86 posted:Yeah but why not box and watch James toney videos every day for similar effect. I'm not arguing for WC as being an effective training system. Mechafunkzilla posted:The footwork and hip rotation that creates the power on that elbow is also only possible because of Weidman's boxing/kickboxing/MMA stance. And he's able to time and land it because he was able establish range with conventional strikes. Yeah, you can pick up the tactic of jamming inside and landing a short strike in a lot of arts, and yes, Weidman's conventional training makes it easy for him to apply that concept well. I'm just saying that it's a bigger goal in WC than in other arts. Mechafunkzilla posted:Ancient martial arts whose techniques have been refined through practical application and passed down for hundreds of years do exist -- muay thai, folk wrestling styles like sumo, boxing, fencing, etc. Kung fu, not so much.
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spandexcajun posted:I typically think of HEMA as a bunch of fat LARP'ers with expensive swords, but I guess poo poo gets real sometimes
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Ancient martial arts whose techniques have been refined through practical application and passed down for hundreds of years do exist -- muay thai, folk wrestling styles like sumo, boxing, fencing, etc. Kung fu, not so much. China probably had these at one point, because it’s huge and rural, perpetually at war, and guns were rare. But the temples that trained people were strategically significant with regards to revolts and civil wars, so successive chinese governments would murder them all whenever they came to power. Purge them all five or six times and what do you have left? 2013’s “The Ultimate Fighter: China” where they couldn’t find 16 people who were even passable at fighting in a country with 1.4 billion people in it
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:China probably had these at one point, because it’s huge and rural, and guns were rare. But the temples that trained people were strategically significant with regards to revolts and civil wars, so successive chinese governments would murder them all whenever they came to power. Purge them all five or six times and what do you have left? 2013’s “The Ultimate Fighter: China” where they couldn’t find 16 people who were even passable at fighting in a country with 1.4 billion people in it China has shuai jiao and sanshou.
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Wangsbig posted:i want to see a tournament between guys that actually train & 'i do ufc' guys or ones that have been going to their rec center gym for a few months or whatever Remember Bully Beatdown? That's basically what you're wanting but with a lot of dumb MTV poo poo thrown in as well. Comically one bully did beat an MMA guy. I think it may have been Huerta. Here's Arlovski bullying a bully https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTM0F5qsmNQ Mekchu fucked around with this message at 06:04 on May 19, 2018 |
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Tried out a boxing gym near me today. Sent an email told them I currently do BJJ and have done muay thai/mma for awhile although it's been a year since I actively trained. So that while I know nothing about boxing, I do have striking experience and my goal is to learn how to hit people/not get hit under the rules of boxing and not really cardio/weight loss/fitness. Dude said yea, that was completely fine and that I should try the fitness boxing class. Said the only difference between that class and the advanced class is the advanced class has sparring, but you'd still learn drills and the skills to carry on into the advanced class. I thought that was a giant red flag, but at the least I'd get some heavy bag work and maybe some pointers with a stance for just boxing, on my jab, or learn something I didn't know and maybe a decent workout. Approximately 45 minutes of road work, five/ten minutes on the bag, and another five/ten minutes of doing more road work while the trainer held mitts for one quick 3 count combo before sending you off to just run circles and I'm thoroughly pissed that I didn't pay attention to the red flag, because the workout wasn't even all that great and I didn't get advice on poo poo. It wasn't as if the class was particularly big either, eight people, or the trainer didn't know anything, I saw him work the mitts and heavy bag before class. Kinda ranty and crap, just annoyed that I didn't just skip going to that and just got another 30 or so minutes of rolling instead. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 19, 2018 |
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It sas worth the risk, could of been an amazing gym, you live and learn.
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Defenestrategy posted:Tried out a boxing gym near me today. leave them a bad review and move on.
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Try the other class?
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spandexcajun posted:I typically think of HEMA as a bunch of fat LARP'ers with expensive swords, but I guess poo poo gets real sometimes not actually HEMA, muay thai: uh, this isn't HEMA, its either BoTN or one of its off shoots. HEMA is far from far LARPers with expensive swords. Its a young martial art, and mostly full of younger folks that cannot afford expensive swords. Dont confuse HEMA and ACL/BoTN stuff. HEMA is attempt to recreate the martial arts of Europe. The other is a sport.
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Yeah you loving gently caress. How dare you. Can't believe you made such a gaff.
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I loving love watching full-contact karate.
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Siivola posted:I loving love watching full-contact karate. Is it actually fun to watch the events, or just highlights like this?
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Honestly, just the highlights. Out of the modern combat sports, judo is the only one I can be bothered to watch for more than a match or three. A good ippon looks spectacular and they're not nearly as rare as spinning kick knockouts or whatever. Edit: That said, I should buy a month of Fightpass and check out Quintet. Their ruleset looked cool and I hear it was a good event? Siivola fucked around with this message at 14:27 on May 20, 2018 |
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May 20, 2018 14:23
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Yeah Quintet was v cool. And there is another Quintet fight night coming up 9 June I think.
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Siivola posted:I loving love watching full-contact karate. That looks like TKD to me. Full power stuff like Kyokushin is too grueling for me. A ruleset where you can't punch to the face is just too foreign for me.
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I like the Glory rules. Not perfect but pretty fun.
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kimbo305 posted:That looks like TKD to me. 
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Siivola posted:Can't believe I made such a gaff. TKD has sick highlights nothing wrong with appreciating that
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Ancient martial arts whose techniques have been refined through practical application and passed down for hundreds of years do exist -- muay thai, folk wrestling styles like sumo, boxing, fencing, etc. Kung fu, not so much. Sumo fascinates me because it is really good at exactly what it is designed for.
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Liquid Communism posted:Sumo fascinates me because it is really good at exactly what it is designed for. err.... as a focal point for drunken gambling?
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CommonShore posted:err.... as a focal point for drunken gambling? And a spectacle of two fat men hurling each other bodily around a small platform, yes.
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Liquid Communism posted:And a spectacle of two fat men hurling each other bodily around a small platform, yes. Don't forget that the Yakuza also fixes most of the matches so it's ancient WWE.
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Was this the thread where people were wanting to see a show with pro gyms taking untrained people and getting them ready for a fight? Well... https://twitter.com/Wimp2Warrior/status/998900205259915265
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I thought human experimentation was illegal
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my ask was more akin to the roman colosseum side shows where they'd throw slaves in with literal lions but this might be cool
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CommonShore posted:Was this the thread where people were wanting to see a show with pro gyms taking untrained people and getting them ready for a fight? I know first hand that those things are really sketchy, I've twice been asked to be a late minute replacement in white collar boxing and told to take it steady on the other guy and not beat him too easily become so many people drop out on the night. I refused both times because whilst it's clear I would of beaten both fairly easily, I'm no where skilled enough to do it whilst holding back hurting them and not getting hurt myself. Plus I was trt'ing at the time and vowed I wouldn't fight on gear.
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My trained amateur boxer friend with one bout on his record is participating in one of those things (3 months of training before bout) and I think he's gonna maul his opponent
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