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Siegkrow posted:So... Fairly! With top level cyberware, you can get someone down to being a brain in a human shaped metal jar with a manageable number of disassociative disorders. You are also going to need a government or megacorporation's direct backing because you could not afford your own left arm if you worked for the rest of your life.
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This is also only as of approximately now in the timeline. As of Berlin in the timeline, uh, well, people have tried. IT HAS NOT GONE WELL
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May 20, 2018 17:16
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Siegkrow posted:So... Not very. Chirpy walking tanks are not cyberpunk enough.
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May 20, 2018 18:07
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Not very. Chirpy walking tanks are not cyberpunk enough. The background materials are pretty cyberpunk though, although nation states still have a lot of power rather than corps. A nuclear WW3 that destroyed Tokyo, Beijing, and Washington; Japanese disaster only averted because a company there developed nanomachines that scrub nuclear fallout; the Japanese capital moved to a newly constructed island city in Fukuoka harbor literally called New Port City in Japanese; a non nuclear WW4 fought over SE Asia leading to a large number of refugees that Japan took in only to exploit for reconstruction; the US broken up into 3 states, including an outright American Empire that seems to have inherited it's superpower status and is in a Cold War with China, etc.
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May 20, 2018 18:20
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Why in the world would you get regular cyber legs when you could get a cyber centaur lower body instead?
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May 20, 2018 20:55
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Poil posted:Why in the world would you get regular cyber legs when you could get a cyber centaur lower body instead? Or tank treads.
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May 20, 2018 22:12
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Deadmeat5150 posted:Or tank treads. BB8.
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May 20, 2018 22:19
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Poil posted:Why in the world would you get regular cyber legs when you could get a cyber centaur lower body instead? One word. Chairs. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn’t enjoy a good sit?
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May 20, 2018 22:28
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chiasaur11 posted:who doesn’t enjoy a good sit?
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Deadmeat5150 posted:Or tank treads.  chiasaur11 posted:One word.
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if your lower half is a tank, aren't you always sitting?
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May 20, 2018 23:47
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Poil posted:You can't install foot anchors or skimmers into treads. If you call that sitting. Abandoning proper sitting is what truly distances you from humanity. Now, if you really wanted, you could have extra fold out skimmer legs in your cyberlegs, but let's be realistic here. Once you start going in for luxury like that, you're just a couple of years away from harvesting the brains of the poor to improve your combat abilities.
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May 20, 2018 23:51
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Tehan posted:You can get a cybernetic torso, two cybernetic arms, two cybernetic legs and a cybernetic skull for a base cost of 6.25 essence, That still leaves you with squishy organs inside the cybertorso, you haven't gone full Major yet.
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May 20, 2018 23:54
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chiasaur11 posted:you're just a couple of years away from harvesting the brains of the poor to improve your combat abilities. Front Mission was also a fantastic series.
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May 20, 2018 23:55
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The whole "full cyborg conversion" thing was pretty nanotech dependent and that ground to a screeching halt when AIs decided that "escaping" into human hosts by hacking those nanites and writing themselves over peoples' brains was a good idea. Now that the CFD crisis has been (mostly) resolved, nanotech will start moving forward again.
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Full cyborg conversion of a person who's already spent their life in a normal body is pretty difficult. There are true cyborgs that start with either a cloned brain, or the brain of a child nobody is going to miss. Once the brain has healed into its jar, it can drive any robot body or vehicle set up for rigger operation. It still has both very expensive and intensive maintenance requirements and a whole host of mental issues to deal with. But that's probably your best bet for making the Major.
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Ze Pollack posted:Fairly! With top level cyberware, you can get someone down to being a brain in a human shaped metal jar with a manageable number of disassociative disorders. If by manageable you mean "actively suicidal due to overwhelming body dysmorphia", then yes.
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May 21, 2018 03:49
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So you're probably not gonna get RoboCop any time soon, but you might get RoboCop 2.
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May 21, 2018 04:28
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Stroth posted:If by manageable you mean "actively suicidal due to overwhelming body dysmorphia", then yes. Well, taking in account the Major was p. Much at that point by the time the original movie starts, I'd say that's accurate.
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Siegkrow posted:Well, taking in account the Major was p. Much at that point by the time the original movie starts, I'd say that's accurate. Well, we were talking Standalone Complex Major, who's relatively well adjusted. And even at her most broken down crazy, the Major's able to function socially (even demonstrating more empathy than might be expected from a government kill squad leader) which, if I remember right, is not common at low essence
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Ze Pollack posted:Fairly! With top level cyberware, you can get someone down to being a brain in a human shaped metal jar with a manageable number of disassociative disorders. If you're making a full cyborg as a government or megacorp supersoldier experiment, you'd probably want to start out with Delta cyberware, for 0.5x normal essence cost. You'd then find someone with Affinity (Cyberware) to shove it into, reducing the essence cost by another 10%, and shoot them full of adapsin for a minor 0.2 essence cost, dropping that cost down to 0.3x. Four cyberlimbs, a cyber-torso, a cyber-skull, and cyber-eyes + cyber-ears come out to 7.25 total essence, so you'd have 3.525 essence left after shoving all that in. You'll probably want to replace all your bones, so let's go for titanium bone lacing, for .45 essence. Because you're going to want to basically be a tiny walking tank, you'll probably take 6 points of Dermal Plating, which comes out to 0.9 Essence. But you need to be fast to fight good. Fortunately, since you're a top secret black ops supersoldier project, you are going to get Rating 3 Move By Wire for another 1.5 essence. After adding a datajack because why not, you'll still have 0.645 Essence left for various other odds and ends. If you want the full Ghost in the Shell experience, you can take the Skin Toner cyberware and the chameleon processor, giving you active camouflage for another .15 Essence (the chameleon processor can take up capacity in your cybertorso), leaving you with .63 Essence (a total cost of 5.17 Essence for being a full cyborg, plus .2 Essence for the Adapsin treatment). Also, since you'll probably want to get all this poo poo installed in one go, by one organization, you'd probably end up making it a cybersuite, multiplying its final Essence cost by 0.9, which cuts its cost down to 4.65 and your remaining Essence to 1.25. Yes, you're still above 1 Essence with this sort of crazy setup. And all it requires is a very rare set of genetic traits, plus millions of nuyen of bleeding-edge augmentation. If you're really going whole hog on 'human 2.0' you might start off with an Experimental Transhuman, which lets you move the Adapsin to your free Essence and buy another .8 Essence of random bioware in addition to your full cyborg bits. MJ12 fucked around with this message at 06:12 on May 21, 2018 |
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MJ12 posted:Four cyberlimbs, a cyber-torso, a cyber-skull, and cyber-eyes + cyber-ears come out to 7.25 total essence, so you'd have 3.525 essence left after shoving all that in.
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PMush Perfect posted:Max essence is 6, not 10. You're reducing that 7.25 by 70%, to a total of 2.175. Going whole hog on the Essence cost reducing traits/treatments is very, very broken if you have infinity money.
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Alternatively, you could be Aztechnology and not really care if you drive your subject down into negative essence, because property doesn't get to vote. (It doesn't get to die, either.)
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wiegieman posted:Alternatively, you could be Aztechnology and not really care if you drive your subject down into negative essence, because property doesn't get to vote. (It doesn't get to die, either.) I mean yeah, cyberzombies are always a possibility, but amusingly enough because of how ludicrously excessive the requirements are to make a cyber-zombie, just going for the Deltaware full cyborg is probably easier. And also, you don't need cyberzombie benefits that much when you have +3 armor from each cyberlimb (including your cyber-skull and cyber-torso), another +3 armor from bone lacing, and 6 points of extra armor from dermal plating, so you have like, 27 armor naked.
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If you have that much money you should probably get delta bioware instead whenever you can, such as for the reaction booster.
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Poil posted:If you have that much money you should probably get delta bioware instead whenever you can, such as for the reaction booster. Bioware doesn't benefit from Adapsin, and the way stacking essence cost reduction works, each additional step is a much greater proportional decrease in cost. Furthermore Move By Wire is actually better than the Synaptic Booster, as the Rating 3 Synaptic Booster gives + 3 Reaction and +3d6 Initiative in 5E, but the Rating 3 Move By Wire gives +3 Reaction and +(9+1d6) Initiative while also acting as a Rating 6 skillwire. The Synaptic Booster doesn't gently caress your social ability, but you're making a full-body murder cyborg. At this point I'm pretty sure you don't care.
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MJ12 posted:Furthermore Move By Wire is actually better than the Synaptic Booster, as the Rating 3 Synaptic Booster gives + 3 Reaction and +3d6 Initiative in 5E, but the Rating 3 Move By Wire gives +3 Reaction and +(9+1d6) Initiative while also acting as a Rating 6 skillwire. Of course, it does so by essentially putting your entire nervous system into a constant agitated state mimicking an epileptic seizure, which tends to put a crimp in your quality of life, but as you say... quote:The Synaptic Booster doesn't gently caress your social ability, but you're making a full-body murder cyborg. At this point I'm pretty sure you don't care.
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Move-by-Wire was always one of the more WTF things in the game to me. It always seemed like more of a statement than a practical option. "All right, street samurai min-maxers, you thought Wired Reflexes was some poo poo, but are you prepared to just completely gently caress up your life for even more init dice?? Of course you are."
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I figure that the point of it was for a GM to put it into the killer boss battle cybermonster at the end of a lengthy subcampaign so the team has something memorable to fight at the end, as opposed to something PCs would be crazy enough to install into themselves.
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Did anyone make an example of some unlucky shadowrunner and cybered him up to be a berserking hellbeast which was let run in the sewers or whatever?
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May 21, 2018 16:27
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Doing something like that to a captured runner makes me kind of want an XCOM2 rpg using Shadowrun rules.
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Stroth posted:If by manageable you mean "actively suicidal due to overwhelming body dysmorphia", then yes. like I said! manageable! with a healthy dose of prozac and biweekly therapy sessions we can keep you merely experiencing constant suicidal ideation, as opposed to actively going on a murder-suicidal rampage!
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Ze Pollack posted:like I said! manageable! with a healthy dose of prozac and biweekly therapy sessions we can keep you merely experiencing constant suicidal ideation, as opposed to actively going on a murder-suicidal rampage! Not to mention a brain implant specifically designed to detect suicidal ideations and stimulate your memory centers, because at that point it's literally possible for you to die just because you forgot you were supposed to remember you're alive.
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I suppose that my aforementioned killborg will rampage just fine on 0.1 essence. Like a cheap vindictively made not quite cyberzombie. On a lighter note: autocorrect trying to write cyberpenis. a rampaging cyberpenis sounds like the worst grindhouse porn ever.
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As far as massively changed alt campaigns go, we had one in which horror invasion related shenanigians led to the awakening of Mother Russia as an awakened spirit (or, according to Lofwyr, a horror from the last collapse who went native). She promptly possesed "the motherland calls" and had a stompy slapfight with the big bad horror. She currently ontrols the area around Volgograd and went full communism while also stating her intention to collect the Russian lands. The statue was soon upgraded with shoulder mounted rocket artillery batteries, a 15 meter long chainsword and jetpacks because why not.
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Now that sounds like a campaign. What were your runners up to during all this?
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Now that sounds like a campaign. What were your runners up to during all this?
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In Seattle watching the news and going "NO WAY"
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:Did anyone make an example of some unlucky shadowrunner and cybered him up to be a berserking hellbeast which was let run in the sewers or whatever? I mean, you could, but cortex bombs set to go off the next time the runner sees a competitors advertisement is so much cheaper.
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