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Hencoe posted:Like this whole shitshow wont sink attendance in the future. Lol I doubt it will. There aren't a whole lot of high profile large attendance events in the UK.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I'm trying to go Primaris only so I'm less inclined to do a dread outside of a Redemptor. Give it a mkX helmet? It also helps you having no squads with long enough range to hold back field objectives without being wasted points.
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May 22, 2018 20:22
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There's a moment in one of those clips of the cheating dude where he looks up at the camera, did anyone else catch that
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Ugh, I just can't make up my mind about which army to start with. I could really use some help from people with more experience. Here are my criteria, in order of importance: 1. Looks cool and is fun to paint 2. Sweet lore and fluff 3. A faction that can be competitive. Consistently losing isn't fun no matter how neat your mans are. 4. Not a horde playstyle army (see #1) 5. $$$ to field a decent army is not too high Here's what I've narrowed it down to: Thousand Sons - the models I think look coolest, and they have the best fluff I've encountered so far. However, I don't really care for Tzaangors and it looks like in the current meta that's like 90% of their force. They also seem like they might be one of the more expensive armies and they don't have any GW value boxes. Deathwatch - I like the idea behind the Deathwatch, and the diversity of models is very appealing. They also have a Start Collecting! box, which is nice. I don't really know a lot about how they play or how competitive they might be. Dark Angels - same as Deathwatch, except no Start Collecting! box. I guess I could buy a vanilla space marines box and upgrade/convert it though? I don't really understand how any of that works. Drukhari - I mean, sadistic space pirates. ??? - are my criteria screaming towards an army I haven't listed here? Suggestions welcome. Please make up my mind for me.
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May 22, 2018 20:31
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Are GTs in any way affiliated with Games Workshop? No. They run an official GT (going to heat 3 in Dec, woo) but anything can call itself a "GT" and it has nothing to do with them.
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May 22, 2018 20:32
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Mikey Purp posted:Please make up my mind for me. I spit in your drink, so you'll be playing Death Guard.
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May 22, 2018 20:34
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Mikey Purp posted:Ugh, I just can't make up my mind about which army to start with. I could really use some help from people with more experience. Here are my criteria, in order of importance: Based on your criteria, I'd go with Drukhari.
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May 22, 2018 20:34
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Mikey Purp posted:Ugh, I just can't make up my mind about which army to start with. I could really use some help from people with more experience. Here are my criteria, in order of importance: Unless you're playing competitively, any army can find a way to win, depending on scenario and all. I love my Imperial Fist army visually and fluff-wise, and I've had pretty good success on the table with them, but I find their stand-and-shoot strategy a little boring lately, and through a couple slick deals, I got a bunch of Primaris and Deathwatch and I'm playing my first match with them tonight. They might suck, but I'm gonna play aggressively and move fast, something I havent done before in 40k and that's exciting. I wouldn't stress too much about being competitive, there's a lot of people playing better armies that are just bad players. I'd go with a style you prefer, but also an army you want to keep working on and assembling. Tough call.
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May 22, 2018 20:36
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chutche2 posted:Cheaters should clearly be banned, except Panascope. Excellent opinion.
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May 22, 2018 20:37
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Drukhari are loving great and super flexible, play them.
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May 22, 2018 20:39
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People who don't own Drukhari wish they did. (Its me. I am the people I am talking about.)
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dexefiend posted:People who don't own Drukhari wish they did. Pain Engines are never in stock 😢
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mango sentinel posted:Pain Engines are never in stock 😢 Really? Every store around here has like 5 of the bastard things, yet no Raiders, Wracks or Hamonculli.
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May 22, 2018 21:02
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Mandrakes. Get Mandrakes
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May 22, 2018 21:03
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Hi I'm a lizard tank: Hi I'm lizard tau: 
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May 22, 2018 21:07
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The Tau should've been expanded further as a multi-racial alien coalition instead of just getting more and bigger robots. Then they might even be kind of cool. 
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May 22, 2018 21:10
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Artum posted:Give it a mkX helmet? It also helps you having no squads with long enough range to hold back field objectives without being wasted points. 36" should be enough to cover at least some of the board.
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May 22, 2018 21:11
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Safety Factor posted:The Tau should've been expanded further as a multi-racial alien coalition instead of just getting more and bigger robots. Then they might even be kind of cool. I wanted them to be the 40K version of the old Dogs of War.
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May 22, 2018 21:12
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Hi I'm a lizard tank: The addition of Lizardmen improves everything, great job!
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May 22, 2018 21:14
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Safety Factor posted:The Tau should've been expanded further as a multi-racial alien coalition instead of just getting more and bigger robots. Then they might even be kind of cool. YES. I really like some of the converted Human Auxiliaries you can find floating around, and the Vespids and Kroot hint at a lot of unrealized potential.
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May 22, 2018 21:18
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Hi I'm a lizard tank: This reminds me a lot of dino-riders (which is to say it is completely awesome)
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May 22, 2018 21:18
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Safety Factor posted:The Tau should've been expanded further as a multi-racial alien coalition instead of just getting more and bigger robots. Then they might even be kind of cool. drat right. It would have synched with the fluff perfectly. Kind of surprised GW didn't lean into it more with the models and rules tbh.
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May 22, 2018 21:25
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Cessna posted:YES. You could do it as a Tau Auxilia codex, and have it be similar to the Dark Eldar codex. Human, Kroot and Vespid detachments would each get 3-4 subfaction choices, and you'd have some additional options that could be run in any of them.
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Mikey Purp posted:Ugh, I just can't make up my mind about which army to start with. I could really use some help from people with more experience. Here are my criteria, in order of importance: I'm going to buck the trend and say go with Dark Angels. You're just starting out, and they'll be far more forgiving in all of assembly, paint, and playstyle. Lower model count, higher saves, simpler colors. In lieu of a Start Collecting set, I'd find the Primaris half of Dark Imperium. It won't be able to be upgraded any of the fancy shoulder pads, but that's not really necessary just starting out. It will have the Dark Angels transfers, though, so it'll be easy enough to make them obviously Dark Angels. After that, I'd look into expanding with a couple boxes of Scouts, a Dark Talon, Dark Shroud, some more Hellblasters, and Chapter Master Azrael. The Dark Angel Hellblaster kit is a good buy, as it includes 2 of the DA upgrade sprues at a very discounted price. A good person who does video battle reports is The Glacial Geek, and he has tons of batreps featuring his Dark Angels. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc2y1nPhG9Rmiy0g31S2ijg
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Corrode posted:It's good that they've banned him. The way they've done it is not. Merely changing the order of taking responsibility for their own gently caress-up before their big tough post showing how they have zero tolerance for cheaters would be completely fine. Trust me, I've known Harrison as a cheater a lot longer than most people have, and I'm not sad to see him go. Yeah, I mean the other reason that it feels “off” is that, given Alex H has recently founded a company looking to run 40k events he is literally one of their competitors, so firing a massive torpedo at him just after they screwed up their event looks incredibly childish. I’m not sorry to see a cheater get their comeuppance (especially given my recent experience) but it is not a good look for them to do this now. I should listen to the Allies of Convenience episode, but I was practically shouting at my iPad listening to Chapter Tactics earlier as they went down the whole “oh it probably wasn’t as bad as it looked” and “plenty of the complainers weren’t even there” and I’m like “BUT NEITHER WERE YOU!”. The one salient point they did raise is that, while on paper it sounds ridiculous to pay £50 for the event given the terrain, it probably wasn’t an actual cut and run scam because holy poo poo are London venues expensive. I used to do MTG judging for The Games Club in London, who ran gigantic mini-con style pre-releases three times a year, and I had a look into the venue they used to use, and that’s listed as £3.5K a day for conferences and £6.5K a day for “Exhibitions”, which I assume is anything without a fixed guest list, so probably would count the LGT. I do wonder if the organisers looked at that venue mind (The Royal National Hotel near Euston) - from memory the big Games Club pre-releases used to have ~300 players in the main event flights and that used only about half the big room, even after significant space was allocated for traders and the event desk. 6x4 tables are a bastard to set up, but I want to say I think you could have fit the main event in the big room, and there are plenty of other rooms in the hotel they could have used for the smaller events. Even though WotC’s idiotic policies killed off the big Games Club events, the venue is still used for the London Gaming Market (who I have to assume started using it because the games club did, given that I remember when the owner of multi million pound business Magic Madhouse was a random guy with a big trade binder at the GC events), so really any sensible organiser looking to run gaming events in London should look there first, especially because it’s got phenomenal transport links and is literally in a reasonably priced hotel that people could stay in. The sad thing is that I don’t suspect the organisers did, because while they have posted a sort-of-apology on their Facebook page, one of their attempts to justify the venue problems was that they needed a venue “worthy of the LGT” and that really makes me want to just grab them and scream are you on the same planet as the rest of us. The “Olympic Stadium” sounds cool on paper, but it’s just an over priced event space miles from bloody anywhere with policies that are direct anathema to happy geeks, like “no outside food” and “mandatory bag checks”. Sure, the function rooms at the Royal National are boring basic function rooms, but you can bring in food, they’re near shops and sensible travel links and they (at least ten years ago) had very competitively priced beer. I, and I think I speak for my fellow card-carrying nerds here, would much rather go to a faintly tacky venue with breathing room, cheap beer and good transport than the Olympic Stadium. The Olympic Stadium was a terrible place and we shouldn’t go back there,
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Drukhari update from Lawrence Baker on TTT. TLDR: e: oh right, his list. 1x Spearhead KoBH (arch 3x ravager) 1x Battalion Flayed Skull. (2x arch, 3x Trueborn, 3x Kabalites, 3x mandrakes, 7x venom) 1. Doesn't think Drukhari are top-top competitive armies for most tournies because of Obsec, Maelstrom, and progressive scoring. Which is kind of counter to how drukhari want to play. 2. Experimented with mandrakes, he's lukewarm on them in the future, wishes they deployed like eldar rangers. 3. Now thinks Flayed Skull or Obsidian Rose are the best obsessions. Flayed skull > poisoned tongue because tournies offer tons of cover saves. Really looking at OR 4. Tried 3 trueborn venom squads, now thinks it was too many eggs in too few baskets 5. Talos list is good because move out and sit on objectives, but invests too many points in them and doesn't get enough troops. 6. Loves shredders because so many horde armies, but the 12" range is a tough cookie 7. KoBH + 3 ravagers is mandatory. Too good not to take. JIZZ DENOUEMENT fucked around with this message at 21:56 on May 22, 2018 |
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One_Wing posted:Yeah, I mean the other reason that it feels “off” is that, given Alex H has recently founded a company looking to run 40k events he is literally one of their competitors, so firing a massive torpedo at him just after they screwed up their event looks incredibly childish. I’m not sorry to see a cheater get their comeuppance (especially given my recent experience) but it is not a good look for them to do this now. Honestly after listening to the podcast, the dude is out of his loving gourd. His solution to everything is to do it bigger and better, while handwaving the actual graft of achieving that with "we'll have to work harder and longer" but apparently no plans to give up his current lifestyle of spending 90% of his time in the Far East. I have no confidence at all that they'll get any better.
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Corrode posted:Honestly after listening to the podcast, the dude is out of his loving gourd. His solution to everything is to do it bigger and better, while handwaving the actual graft of achieving that with "we'll have to work harder and longer" but apparently no plans to give up his current lifestyle of spending 90% of his time in the Far East. I have no confidence at all that they'll get any better. I’m amusing myself by imagining the very nice but also brutally and mercilessly competent guy who ran the games club events walking through the LGT criticising everything. On saturday morning while we were all waiting for the round to start I saw BB Harry holding court and overheard words to the effect of “I’ll try not to be too smug about this”.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:36" should be enough to cover at least some of the board. Speaking from 11 months of experience with primaris, it isnt. 36" is a motherfucker when they're marching towards you as pretty much all primaris units should but it only works so well for my dark angels nemesis because he has 3 squads of sororitas camping back field objectives while his 21-24 heavy hellblasters move into position, and the reason he does this is because of the time I ground him into a fine paste by making him come to me while pelting him with 48" range guns. You want either something cheap enough that you dont mind expending it by sticking it on an objective, or something with a long enough range to meaningfully contribute, and 100pts of deathwatch intercessors are neither of those.
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One_Wing posted:I’m amusing myself by imagining the very nice but also brutally and mercilessly competent guy who ran the games club events walking through the LGT criticising everything. Yeah I had a good chat with Harry. I don't think he's exactly concerned by the competition.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Mandrakes. Get Mandrakes Better still, get the new eyeless mandrakes that accidentally got put into the AoS range.
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Corrode posted:Yeah I had a good chat with Harry. I don't think he's exactly concerned by the competition. Everything about my Battlefield Birmingham experience was so much better than the LGT that it isn’t even funny. A 400+ person massive GT is definitely something I’d like us to have, but the sane way to do it would be to run it in Birmingham at one of the NEC venues. If GW want that to happen maybe they should talk to Harry.
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Artum posted:Speaking from 11 months of experience with primaris, it isnt. Makes sense. Long term I plan on adding some Knights, but short term I really don't want to add anything that isn't Primaris. The natural solution would be to tack on a cheap guard battalion. I could drop some Lascannon Tarantulas back there at 70 points each.
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One_Wing posted:Everything about my Battlefield Birmingham experience was so much better than the LGT that it isn’t even funny. A 400+ person massive GT is definitely something I’d like us to have, but the sane way to do it would be to run it in Birmingham at one of the NEC venues. If GW want that to happen maybe they should talk to Harry. Think I’m just gonna stick with our little local tournaments. Everything about the LGT sounds poo poo.
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Serotonin posted:Think I’m just gonna stick with our little local tournaments. Everything about the LGT sounds poo poo. I am massively jealous of your awesome LGS. They are good people. The LGT organisers are not.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Hi I'm a lizard tank: These guys are awesome and you are awesome by extension. It still really annoys me that the Tau of all armies is one of the armies with the least soup/subfactions to play with. The fact that the upcoming imperium vs. Tau box boasts a new robot only puts salt in that wound. Even if they dont want to expand Tau ruleswise, it would at least be nice if they made a conversion set that gave you guardsman/sslyth/jakaero/ork/blabla torsos with tau symbols & tau weapon-holding hands to serve as fire warriors.
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Artum posted:Speaking from 11 months of experience with primaris, it isnt. What are your thoughts on the heavy stalker/heavy incinerator combo for a DW intercessor squad that is going to camp back-field. That's 42" w/ Kraken. With either an aggressor, to maintain range, or an inceptor so you can fall back and still shoot after getting charged.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Makes sense. Long term I plan on adding some Knights, but short term I really don't want to add anything that isn't Primaris. The natural solution would be to tack on a cheap guard battalion. I mostly do it with a predator and whirlwind but deathwatch dont get those, and a vendread is better than a non-chronus predator anyway hence my recommendation.
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bonds0097 posted:What are your thoughts on the heavy stalker/heavy incinerator combo for a DW intercessor squad that is going to camp back-field. That's 42" w/ Kraken. With either an aggressor, to maintain range, or an inceptor so you can fall back and still shoot after getting charged. With primaris the goal should always be to have them beating face, and the only acceptable reason for them not beating face is you already killed them in shooting on the way there. I'm only half joking, until we get another type of primaris special weapons we just really dont do backline units. Heavy incinerators work for dark angels because they're s9 ap4 d3 and that loving hurts, for everyone else they don't really do enough damage, whereas literally the only drawback for assault incinerators is they struggle on t7+, and deathwatch is filled to bursting with rerolls and +1s to wound so I really cant see a good reason to take anything else. A squad with auto bolt rifles, assault incinerators and an aggressor advancing up the field with no penalty seems like a better choice of the more expensive weapon options. Artum fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 22, 2018 |
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