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McGavin
Sep 18, 2012


In subcontinent news, I just bought a bottle of Rooh Afza, the Summer Drink of the East. You can really taste the pine extract!

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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

quote:

It is true that several Pakistanis are involved in terrorism

So more than two, but less than 12. Good to know!

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

wat

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

quote:



10 Common Misconceptions About Pakistan That The World Needs To Clear


There is no denying the fact that Pakistan doesn’t have a very good reputation across the globe. However, today we are going to clear some misconceptions that the world has about this country:

1. Pakistan is in Middle-East:
This is absolutely wrong! Pakistan is in South-Asia and is a part of Indian sub-continent.

2. Pakistanis are uneducated:
Even though education is still not available to a large number of Pakistanis, a considerable population here is educated and some have brought laurels to the country at the International level.

3. Camels and donkeys are the means of transport:
This is not completely true! You may get to see bullock carts in some parts of Pakistan but a good part of the country has modern day transportation mediums.

4. Undeveloped cities:
Undoubtedly, a lot remains to be done in Pakistan when it comes to development but the situation is not so grim as shown by the western media and their serials.

5. All women wear burqa:
Well, you may get to see a number of women in burqa but it doesn’t mean that it is compulsory for every woman to wear burqa here. In fact, you will also find women who are not dressed-up in burqa.

6. Pakistanis speak Arabic:
No, Pakistanis speak Urdu and you might be surprised to know that around 49% population can speak intermediate or higher level of English.

7. Pakistani men wear turban and traditional dresses only:
Well, Pakistanis are fashionable and keep up with the latest trends and not to forget to mention that their dressing sense and style are also influenced by the Bollywood movies that they watch.

8. Pakistanis don’t party:
It is not true! Pakistanis also like to enjoy their life and party a lot.

9. All Pakistanis are terrorists:
It is true that several Pakistanis are involved in terrorism but calling all Pakistanis terrorists won’t be right. The majority of Pakistani public wants to lead a peaceful life but they are bearing the brunt of terrorism due to their orthodox and fanatical leaders.

10. Women are oppressed in Pakistan:
Yes, a lot needs to be done when it comes to improving the condition of women in Pakistan but it is not that bad as it has been portrayed by the western media.
We hope that your misconceptions about Pakistan must have been cleared now!


https://www.rvcj.com/10-common-misconceptions-pakistan-world-needs-clear/

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

quote:

1. Pakistan is in Middle-East:

This is absolutely wrong! Pakistan is in South-Asia and is a part of Indian sub-continent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cec8va-bZiU&t=2s

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die

>lol literally 100% of politicians, academics, and businesspeople who have positive views of china have been bribed

This is not true. I love China because of it's dedication to traditional. Why, the methods and beliefs of doctors from over 5000 years ago are still employed today, to great effect!
Also, the level of understanding those same doctors had about elevators and elevator safety is also still employed by our wonderful elevator companies!!

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


I thought these threads had already plumbed the depths of Chinar to the very bottom, but the existence of counterfeit escalators made me think again. The unnamed country can only salivate.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

barbecue at the folks posted:

I thought these threads had already plumbed the depths of Chinar to the very bottom, but the existence of counterfeit escalators made me think again. The unnamed country can only salivate.

go post this in d&d and I guarantee you’ll either get whataboutism about something bad America did or someone talking about china’s trains

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Or banned. Probably banned.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



More stories from the world of International Master's Degree Studies!

As part of our Master's Thesis writing process we have to take part in a year-long seminar, where essentially everyone has to meet certain milestones and make presentations about their work and explain it to others. I personally found it quite useful, but also frustrating.

About 2/3 of the students in this seminar are Chinese exchange students. One of them is actually a good student who belongs in a Finnish university, the rest would probably be more at their level in elementary school.

The formats for these presentations are very simple: in one you basically introduce your thesis topic and walk the others through existing research on the topic (very basic level stuff), which of course means student after student who "forgot" to include even one word of literature review (or citations) anyhwere. My favourite was one guy whose thesis had one (1) citation. I wonder if he thought that was enough, or if the sheer effort just made him give up immediately?

The final presentation should basically briefly introduce your topic, then walk through the research you did in detail and present your conclusions and findings.

I have today sat through three presentations which were each 40 minutes of some buzzcut wanker reading through 30 Powerpoint pages of Wikipedia definitions for various terms and words (literally. I found about halfway through the first one that I could just Google items from their Powerpoints and find the Wikipedia pages they lifted everything they were saying from). Absolutely nothing about their own research, their results or any application of learning. After listening to one of these presentations nobody will have ANY idea of what was actually done, and why it matters.

When, after one presentation of page after page of Wikipedia definitions for clustering algorithms, I asked one of the students "but what did you actually DO for your thesis?" all I got was a total rabbit in the headline expression and stammered excuses about not really being able to explain it, so very sorry, you understand.

And of course all of these assholes will graduate and get to devalue the degree I worked my rear end off to get.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Der Shovel posted:

More stories from the world of International Master's Degree Studies!

As part of our Master's Thesis writing process we have to take part in a year-long seminar, where essentially everyone has to meet certain milestones and make presentations about their work and explain it to others. I personally found it quite useful, but also frustrating.

About 2/3 of the students in this seminar are Chinese exchange students. One of them is actually a good student who belongs in a Finnish university, the rest would probably be more at their level in elementary school.

The formats for these presentations are very simple: in one you basically introduce your thesis topic and walk the others through existing research on the topic (very basic level stuff), which of course means student after student who "forgot" to include even one word of literature review (or citations) anyhwere. My favourite was one guy whose thesis had one (1) citation. I wonder if he thought that was enough, or if the sheer effort just made him give up immediately?

The final presentation should basically briefly introduce your topic, then walk through the research you did in detail and present your conclusions and findings.

I have today sat through three presentations which were each 40 minutes of some buzzcut wanker reading through 30 Powerpoint pages of Wikipedia definitions for various terms and words (literally. I found about halfway through the first one that I could just Google items from their Powerpoints and find the Wikipedia pages they lifted everything they were saying from). Absolutely nothing about their own research, their results or any application of learning. After listening to one of these presentations nobody will have ANY idea of what was actually done, and why it matters.

When, after one presentation of page after page of Wikipedia definitions for clustering algorithms, I asked one of the students "but what did you actually DO for your thesis?" all I got was a total rabbit in the headline expression and stammered excuses about not really being able to explain it, so very sorry, you understand.

And of course all of these assholes will graduate and get to devalue the degree I worked my rear end off to get.

Why aren’t they expelled for blatant plagiarism?

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

Steakandchips posted:

Why aren’t they expelled for blatant plagiarism?

They paid cash to the university.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Fun from my wife's school:
"Teacher, I need to take this medicine. My mom says I'm too short and this will make me grow larger."

When my wife explained to the mother that the student couldn't administer medicine to herself and that it had to go through the nurse with a doctor's note, the medicine magically disappeared.

Fun from my History class:
"So Turkey recently went through a failed coup."
"Mr. Hugged, what's a failed coup?"

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

International (Chinese) students paid like 5x the tuition when I was in grad school so they got a pass for doing things like:

- showing up late for an exam and pulling out several hundred dollars from a wallet and asking the exam supervisor if they can pay a fine to be allowed the full amount of time to write the exam (in front of all the other students)

- having a professor stop them 2 minutes into a presentation saying “stop, stop, that’s enough” because of horribly broken English and using a handle held translator for every other word

- being told by the professor “if you’re going to work together, please just hand in one assignment with all your names on it. I don’t want to mark the same assignment 8 different times”

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme

Mr. Apollo posted:

International (Chinese) students paid like 5x the tuition when I was in grad school so they got a pass for doing things like:

- showing up late for an exam and pulling out several hundred dollars from a wallet and asking the exam supervisor if they can pay a fine to be allowed the full amount of time to write the exam (in front of all the other students)

- having a professor stop them 2 minutes into a presentation saying “stop, stop, that’s enough” because of horribly broken English and using a handle held translator for every other word

- being told by the professor “if you’re going to work together, please just hand in one assignment with all your names on it. I don’t want to mark the same assignment 8 different times”

China world research superpower by 2020

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010
I'm kinda torn, on one hand I really despise the blatant cheating, lying, and pay to graduate scheme. But on the other, it makes me a little happy that these assholes are the future managers, leaders, and researchers in China.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010
Are all schools like that or just ones hard up for money? My undergrad had a strict honor code where any lying or cheating was met with automatic expulsion if you're found guilty. I'm wondering if a school like that didn't put up with cheating for Chinese students or swept it under the rug. The expulsion thing definitely wasn't just a threat, there was an entire class of students that got expelled when a professor caught most of them cheating off the homework of one guy who turned it in into the mailbox early.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I'm still offended no student has tried to bribe me.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

People got expelled at my school for cheating and plagiarism but professors often complained that when it came to international students it was harder because the school loved that international tuition.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Grand Fromage posted:

I'm still offended no student has tried to bribe me.

'Offended'

Have you tried dropping some subtle hints?

"Well, you're probably going to fail, it's a pity you can't just pay a fine to bump your numbers"

"I'm sure there's something you could give me if I gave you a pass"

"What are you willing to do to pass this class?" *Funky baseline pours out of nowhere. The student's eyes open wider as Grand Fromage slowly unzips a bag with dollar signs drawn on with sharpie"

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

bamhand posted:

Are all schools like that or just ones hard up for money? My undergrad had a strict honor code where any lying or cheating was met with automatic expulsion if you're found guilty. I'm wondering if a school like that didn't put up with cheating for Chinese students or swept it under the rug. The expulsion thing definitely wasn't just a threat, there was an entire class of students that got expelled when a professor caught most of them cheating off the homework of one guy who turned it in into the mailbox early.

All schools are run like for-profit businesses so yes, all schools are milking this gravy train as hard as they can. They're increasingly becoming 2-tiered institutions, one for international students, one for local. The local students pay less and get a real education and have to work and follow rules, the Chinese students pay 5x or more (or way way more when the university offers a full-package with housing, which they increasingly own and build since it's so profitable) but don't have to work or follow many rules.

Where it can be lovely for people there for an education, not babysitting, is that many shared classes get dumbed-down and the double-standards can be infuriating. Also since international students will pay 5x as much in rent/housing the university will go into full developer mode and build block after block of international-only housing. They'll demolish greenspace and sports fields, they'll build on areas reserved for future academic buildings, all to chase after that sweet sweet international student cash.

But it all makes total financial sense. If a local is only paying you 9,000 for the year plus only has a budget of $600 a month for rent why build anything for them when the international student is paying 40,000 a year just for tuition plus their parents are willing to pay another 5,000 a month for the "full helpless toddler" housing that includes food service and laundry and cleaning? Why would you invest a dime into that first customer group when you could keep chasing a seemingly endless demand for the later?

And they'll sell this all as "well it's making the university tons of money, it's good for the education system!" except none of these profits go into making the school better or lowering tuitions for locals, it's all pocketed by the extremely rich folk who run the school through a series of extremely shifty trusts and bursaries that let them rake in millions but constantly beg for more government funding, donations, and golly we need to raise tuitions again and just can't afford to build any affordable student housing on campus.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
So, apparently, some embassy worker got a mild tramautic brain injury by some unknown sonic means.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Glenn Quebec posted:

So, apparently, some embassy worker got a mild tramautic brain injury by some unknown sonic means.

don't believe those lies

it was polonium

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

You’d think demographics of the coming decrease in younger Chinese (negative baby boom?) would factor in all these universities if they’ve got 30+ year mortgages on these new buildings

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS

Glenn Quebec posted:

So, apparently, some embassy worker got a mild tramautic brain injury by some unknown sonic means.

Chinese Opera

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Glenn Quebec posted:

So, apparently, some embassy worker got a mild tramautic brain injury by some unknown sonic means.

Wasn't the American Embassy in Cuba or sommat complaining about this.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

WarpedNaba posted:

Wasn't the American Embassy in Cuba or sommat complaining about this.
Yeah, the original theory was like, the Russians testing a sonic weapon on our Cuban Embassy or something equally Tom Clancy-sounding (but backed up with people who had actual weird brain injuries so there's at least something to it)

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't just run off the mill Chinese pollution causing this one.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
hurt feelings inc

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-blocks-chinese-takeover-of-aecon-over-national-security/

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants

Good news. LOL the third comment is already starting with The, "but what about America?!"

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010

I wonder if the Chinese will whine and cry as much as they did when they were initially denied a contract to run a nuclear power plant in the UK.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Thankfully America and China aren’t the only countries in the world

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Mr. Apollo posted:

People got expelled at my school for cheating and plagiarism but professors often complained that when it came to international students it was harder because the school loved that international tuition.

I'm actually worried that my uni was soft on me because I'm an international. The idea of not deserving my degree makes my impostor syndrome shoot up into the stratosphere.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

caberham posted:

Thankfully America and China aren’t the only countries in the world

Whataboutism in this context usually means treating Chinese presence in the Canadian economy and American presence in the Canadian economy as being equivalent which is just lol on its face

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Seems the obvious solution to the degree problem is to treat domestic degrees as is and to slap "International" on the pay-to-pass degrees. Should clue in potential employers immediately.

"Well he has a degree in engineering, but this other candidate has an international degree in engineering. Seems we know which one to go with."

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Atlas Hugged posted:

Seems the obvious solution to the degree problem is to treat domestic degrees as is and to slap "International" on the pay-to-pass degrees. Should clue in potential employers immediately.

"Well he has a degree in engineering, but this other candidate has an international degree in engineering. Seems we know which one to go with."
I’ve been told that schools don’t view it as a big deal because almost all of the international students (Chinese) go back home after getting their degree so now it’s not the school’s problem if an employer gets mad at a graduate’s lack of education.

Heer98
Apr 10, 2009
On the flip side of that, I’ve met some incredibly smart and hardworking Chinese students who’ve spent the better part of a decade in the US doing undergrad+grad, and they almost always end up going home feeling dejected because work visas are so hard to get and a lot of companies assume they didn’t really earn their degrees.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


I was in a one year post-grad program that did have strict requirements but one girl from China who was rejected from the program showed up anyway. They had a spare seat and she could pay in full so they decided to just let her in.

She was by far the weakest student in the class but ended up going back to China and working for a more prestigious employer than any of us because her mother runs a committee responsible for state funding for that industry. I don't know what this former classmate actually does, maybe just sits at a work station and surfs the internet all day.

There were two other Chinese students in the class. The guy was really passionate but insane, called himself "Chaos" and would go on "missions" to walk certain extreme distances at odd times because he felt it was commanded. The other was incredibly smart, aced all the assignments, got multiple job offers, and is now staying in Canada and working for a really good employer. Most of her co-workers are from France because they can't find qualified Canadians.

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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
English teachers, how many of your students have undiagnosed special needs?

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